$13 million doesn't buy what it used to at OSU

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https://www.espn.com/college-footba...tball-20-million-offseason-michigan-motivated

"Only two years ago, Day told boosters it would cost $13 million in NIL money for the Buckeyes to put their team together...

One NFL scout called this the most talented team he has ever evaluated at Ohio State, with more depth than the 2021 national champion Georgia team that set a draft record with 15 players selected in 2022."

$20 million payroll this year. Good luck beating that roster with good old fashioned off-season "hard work". Plus, over the course of a season and multiple playoff games, that depth will eventually swallow you up, even if you do manage to beat them in the regular season.

On one hand, $20 million is a bargain. The Cowboys WR just got paid $130 million for four years; that's just one guy on the team. The amount of money the school will make off of a national championship will dwarf that number.

On the other hand, this is just the beginning unless some sort of salary cap gets put in place. Like a compulsive gambler, if OSU wins, they will pay more next year for the chance to repeat; if OSU looses, sunk cost fallacy kicks in and they will pay even more next year to chase it.

Amateurism died decades ago in this sport, but now I have to wonder if OSU becomes the poster child for all that is wrong with college football, and college athletics in general. Miami held that mantle for awhile, and slowly they faded into irrelevancy for decades. If just one of those guys runs afoul of the law with those flashy cars, guns, drugs, hookers, gangs, etc. with those NIL dollars, that program is going to have a big perception problem on its hands. Now, if they can keep it clean or hidden just enough and they manage to win it all, do they then become the trailblazers who get to rewrite their own history as the victors and the vanquished have to "become like them" in order to compete? Time will tell.
 

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“Amateurism died decades ago in this sport, but now I have to wonder if OSU becomes the poster child for all that is wrong with college football, and college athletics in general. Miami held that mantle for awhile, and slowly they faded into irrelevancy for decades. If just one of those guys runs afoul of the law with those flashy cars, guns, drugs, hookers, gangs, etc. with those NIL dollars, that program is going to have a big perception problem on its hands. Now, if they can keep it clean or hidden just enough and they manage to win it all, do they then become the trailblazers who get to rewrite their own history as the victors and the vanquished have to "become like them" in order to compete? Time will tell.”

DuhO$U fans don’t care one iota about the perception of their program. All they care about is winning no matter how it is accomplished.
 

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“Amateurism died decades ago in this sport, but now I have to wonder if OSU becomes the poster child for all that is wrong with college football, and college athletics in general. Miami held that mantle for awhile, and slowly they faded into irrelevancy for decades. If just one of those guys runs afoul of the law with those flashy cars, guns, drugs, hookers, gangs, etc. with those NIL dollars, that program is going to have a big perception problem on its hands. Now, if they can keep it clean or hidden just enough and they manage to win it all, do they then become the trailblazers who get to rewrite their own history as the victors and the vanquished have to "become like them" in order to compete? Time will tell.”

DuhO$U fans don’t care one iota about the perception of their program. All they care about is winning no matter how it is accomplished.
I get that about the fans, but at some point someone is going to remember that this is a school and its reputation serves way more people than a few football players who are making way more $$$ than its current students or most recent grads. That's why inevitably cheating at Michigan can be forgiven, it happened once, the offenders are gone, and they won't benefit from it again. This, however, is real money and the casino is just getting started. I think it is all fun and games until the dumb jocks get out of control while making more than you, the team isn't winning everything, and at the same time are making you look bad as a regular alum/student/grad/professor/administrator. Not saying it will happen, but I don't know too many responsible 18-22 year old kids who get handed millions of dollars without parental supervision and invest in the stock market or real estate. These guys already have a false expectation that they are untouchable/special, and that was before they had six figures in their bank account. That's partly what drove the Miami turn around (or fall, depending on your perspective). The alums started to realize that the football product was bad for business, especially when they started to lose. No one liked being called a convict or cheater or thug. Some embraced it and tried to rebrand it as "swag," but the academic side didn't. They eventually took back control of the program and naturally it fell from the football juggernaut that it was, but the institution's academic standing shot up afterward. I don't know if running a professional football team on a college campus will work out for everyone involved, but OSU either sinks or swims with it.
 
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So is it Jimmies and Joes after all? The couchbound coaches' collective won't like that news.
 
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How is big nil budget anti reputation? Looks like family to me. Alumni loving on their school
He is saying the ills that big NIL money can bring.
Young people with lots of money and free time on their hands can lead to actions that might not be reputable.
Lots of NIL money is not the problem what is done with it could be.
 

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He is saying the ills that big NIL money can bring.
Young people with lots of money and free time on their hands can lead to actions that might not be reputable.
Lots of NIL money is not the problem what is done with it could be.
Correct. It should also be said that these players aren’t getting the money for free. Who knows what strings come attached when you let rich people buy a person. These guys aren’t horses that you run at the Kentucky derby. As a player, you could find yourself in all kinds of trouble unexpectedly: money laundering, tax evasion, drug trafficking, gambling, and on and on.

they should be paid and paid well, but OSU looks like the motto of too big to fail. That usually isn’t the case in business or in life.
 

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Correct. It should also be said that these players aren’t getting the money for free. Who knows what strings come attached when you let rich people buy a person. These guys aren’t horses that you run at the Kentucky derby. As a player, you could find yourself in all kinds of trouble unexpectedly: money laundering, tax evasion, drug trafficking, gambling, and on and on.

they should be paid and paid well, but OSU looks like the motto of too big to fail. That usually isn’t the case in business or in life.
And sorry I did not mean to speak for you... just my interpretation of what you said.
Glad I was accurate this time.
 

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Amateurism died decades ago in this sport, but now I have to wonder if OSU becomes the poster child for all that is wrong with college football, and college athletics in general.
O$U isn't the only program playing this game, and now we have their west coast counterpart (Oregon) in the BIG...
 
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https://www.espn.com/college-footba...tball-20-million-offseason-michigan-motivated

"Only two years ago, Day told boosters it would cost $13 million in NIL money for the Buckeyes to put their team together...

One NFL scout called this the most talented team he has ever evaluated at Ohio State, with more depth than the 2021 national champion Georgia team that set a draft record with 15 players selected in 2022."

$20 million payroll this year. Good luck beating that roster with good old fashioned off-season "hard work". Plus, over the course of a season and multiple playoff games, that depth will eventually swallow you up, even if you do manage to beat them in the regular season.

On one hand, $20 million is a bargain. The Cowboys WR just got paid $130 million for four years; that's just one guy on the team. The amount of money the school will make off of a national championship will dwarf that number.

On the other hand, this is just the beginning unless some sort of salary cap gets put in place. Like a compulsive gambler, if OSU wins, they will pay more next year for the chance to repeat; if OSU looses, sunk cost fallacy kicks in and they will pay even more next year to chase it.

Amateurism died decades ago in this sport, but now I have to wonder if OSU becomes the poster child for all that is wrong with college football, and college athletics in general. Miami held that mantle for awhile, and slowly they faded into irrelevancy for decades. If just one of those guys runs afoul of the law with those flashy cars, guns, drugs, hookers, gangs, etc. with those NIL dollars, that program is going to have a big perception problem on its hands. Now, if they can keep it clean or hidden just enough and they manage to win it all, do they then become the trailblazers who get to rewrite their own history as the victors and the vanquished have to "become like them" in order to compete? Time will tell.
It's sad but the reality of the world now. Accept it, change and get better or fall further behind
 

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It’s both and always has been. If you think it’s just players ask OSU and A&M how that has been working out for them.
It's both. 60 to 75% Jimmies and Joes, 25 to 40% is the coaching/scouting/in-game decision making/clock management. That's why we beat everyone but the best because they just can't recruit consistently at our level; unfortunately, traditionally our Jimmies lag just a bit behind the best teams and our staff usually falls fairly short of theirs as well. It adds up to a totality of the circumstances in a game already decided by inches or seconds.