1st year Jobs at MSU…

[HulksStache]

Why do we usually hire people to run our athletics that its their first time in that position? Our past few AD’s are first timers and coaches are usually coordinators….
this year we have a first timer AD who hired a first time head coach who hired a first time DC.

 

[85Bears]

 

[L4Dawg]

Why do we usually hire people to run our athletics that its their first time in that position? Our past few AD’s are first timers and coaches are usually coordinators….
this year we have a first timer AD who hired a first time head coach who hired a first time DC.

It's not easy to get people to come to Starkville. It's not Starkville itself as much as it is that Starkville is a long way from anywhere. It's not just athletics either.

 

[Bullldawg78]

Hired friends and 10 season!

 

[Duggar Hall Desk]

It's not easy to get people to come to Starkville. It's not Starkville itself as much as it is that Starkville is a long way from anywhere. It's not just athletics either.

I'd move back to Starkville for the right price, but after Selmon, I don't think the admin wants another guy with Wake Forest ties.

 

[The Peeper]

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It's not easy to get people to come to Starkville. It's not Starkville itself as much as it is that Starkville is a long way from anywhere. It's not just athletics either.

It’s not 1983. We pay good money. We just hire morons. Ask Keenum why he hired Jack Salmon, it’s widely known.

 

[L4Dawg]

It’s not 1983. We pay good money. We just hire morons. Ask Keenum why he hired Jack Salmon, it’s widely known.

You going to pay up ? This came from a guy whose family has its name on multiple public things at MSU. THEY paid up, and that's what they say. You don't have a 17ing clue about anything you spout off about here. Honestly I don't know why you are still tolerated here. You are the LEAST knowledgeable poster about anything MSU I have ever seen on any subject concerning MSU. I honestly I think you are paid to stir up crap for clicks. You have to be a professional troll.

 

[L4Dawg]

I'd move back to Starkville for the right price, but after Selmon, I don't think the admin wants another guy with Wake Forest ties.

For the right price seems to be a common refrain from what I hear. That price is steep:

 

[Duggar Hall Desk]

For the right price seems to be a common refrain from what I hear. That price is steep:

Not so steep for me - I know my limitations.

 

[mcdawg22]

 

[L4Dawg]

You going to pay up ? This came from a guy whose family has its name on multiple public things at MSU. THEY paid up, and that's what they say. You don't have a 17ing clue about anything you spout off about here. Honestly I don't know why you are still tolerated here. You are the LEAST knowledgeable poster about anything MSU I have ever seen on any subject concerning MSU. I honestly I think you are paid to stir up crap for clicks. You have to be a professional troll.

At least he is getting paid 85bears.

 

[Maroon13]

It's not easy to get people to come to Starkville. It's not Starkville itself as much as it is that Starkville is a long way from anywhere. It's not just athletics either.

Also coaches aren't dumb. They know where State is positioned in the sec landscape. Very few coaches want to battle from a disadvantage. Because their career depends on winning.

 

[aTotal360]

We are poor and stupid, but at least we are tough.

 

[paindonthurt17]

It’s not 1983. We pay good money. We just hire morons. Ask Keenum why he hired Jack Salmon, it’s widely known.

Why don’t you tell us then Mr double digit iq aka Gus malzahn aka Willie Barbay Fritz

oh you won’t tell us bc you have no idea bc you are stupid

 

[Shmuley]

We are poor and stupid, but at least we are tough.

Better be tough if you’re going to exist in this league. But you’re right about “poor and stupid.” I see no evidence that there is much in the way of intelligence emanating from the pork palace.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Yep. We certainly aren't the loveliest village on the plain and we don't have an amazing downtown square and we are not located on the West End of the Fastest growing city in the south where our hated arch-rival wearing gosh-awful orange to church out-numbers us 250-1. But what we do have is a Mayor and Board of Aldermen who understand the University is only reason their unimpressive little town exists! ****
NOT!

 

[Mr. Cook]

It's not easy to get people to come to Starkville. It's not Starkville itself as much as it is that Starkville is a long way from anywhere. It's not just athletics either.

Unfortunately, this is an inconvenient truth that has to be acknowledged

However, it can be navigated, in my opinion

@Maroon Eagle @OG Goat Holder

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Unfortunately, this is an inconvenient truth that has to be acknowledged

However, it can be navigated, in my opinion

@Maroon Eagle @OG Goat Holder

You’re preaching to the Preacher here.

Starkville is unwelcoming — when a place’s selling point is the Great Outdoors I ain’t buying — and overpriced.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Unfortunately, this is an inconvenient truth that has to be acknowledged

However, it can be navigated, in my opinion

@Maroon Eagle @OG Goat Holder

I'm talking athletics specifically, which is what the OP pointed out. Those are big money jobs and people move to undesirable places all the time for big money jobs. And we don't have to have the best....we just need competence and good fits.

I would agree with you on everything else. Academics, general society, etc. Starkville is a small town that isn't close to any big city. So, it simply has to grow on its own and embrace MSU as its economic driver, and also embrace rurality. We've all discussed this stuff ad nauseum, there's no easy way out.

 

[Mr. Cook]

You’re preaching to the Preacher here.

Starkville is unwelcoming — when a place’s selling point is MSU I ain’t buying — and egregiously overpriced.

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[Ranchdawg]

I would love to make the kind of money they make and live in Starkville during football season. I would have a place in the Keys during the off season. The money I saved in Starkville would be spent in the Keys!

 

[Maroon Eagle]

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I want to disagree here but any place that’s unwelcoming and overpriced is ultimately egregiously overpriced.

Oxford is a better music town than Starkville so I consider it more welcoming — but geez the real estate market is…

 

[Mr. Cook]

I'm talking athletics specifically, which is what the OP pointed out. Those are big money jobs and people move to undesirable places all the time for big money jobs. And we don't have to have the best....we just need competence and good fits.

I would agree with you on everything else.

DD…I am of a mindset that these things have connectivity in ways we (as fans) don’t always see (e.g. the families, the fishbowl they’ll live in)

Lastly, there is the “stepping stone” nature of MSU. It’s not a destination job. Maybe one day someone will make it that, but, for now, we’ll be an opportunity for someone to take a shot at spinning straw into gold

 

[Mr. Cook]

I want to disagree here but any place that’s unwelcoming and overpriced is ultimately egregiously overpriced.

Oxford is a better music town than Starkville so I consider it more welcoming — but geez the real estate market is…

There’s always Holly Springs

 

[Maroon Eagle]

There’s always Holly Springs

And Water Valley. I have a few friends there.

 

[Ranchdawg]

I know Starkville was named after General Stark but I have always wondered why the city leaders have not renamed the city. Stark gives the impression of desolation. Desolation town does give people looking to move a good feeling. Take an ancient city name in Europe and throw new in front of it or just use the name. Aberdeen and Corinth are great examples.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

DD…I am of a mindset that these things have connectivity in ways we (as fans) don’t always see (e.g. the families, the fishbowl they’ll live in)

Lastly, there is the “stepping stone” nature of MSU. It’s not a destination job. Maybe one day someone will make it that, but, for now, we’ll be an opportunity for someone to take a shot at spinning straw into gold

Yes this, combined with the generally held belief that it's a "hard job", no matter the position with the exception of baseball coach. You will be measured against about 14 teams in your league that have more resources than you. For this you get to live in Starkville, which is for some people but not everyone.

Anyone already successful at this level is almost certainly going to have multiple options that don't include the dynamics outlined above. That's why we tend to go with "up and comers" or people with some sort of baggage or quirk that reduces their options.

 

[msstatelp1]

It’s not 1983. We pay good money. We just hire morons. Ask Keenum why he hired Jack Salmon, it’s widely known.

So why did Keenan hire Selmon? I don’t widely know it. Serious question. I’d like to know your answer.

 

[RopeDawg]

Why do we usually hire people to run our athletics that its their first time in that position? Our past few AD’s are first timers and coaches are usually coordinators….
this year we have a first timer AD who hired a first time head coach who hired a first time DC.

Because it is one of the hardest jobs in the country that a successful sitting head coach does not want to uproot his family for. Every sport besides baseball. Also the town of Starkville has a stigma, fair or not, that makes it hard to lure coaches. Just reality.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

DD…I am of a mindset that these things have connectivity in ways we (as fans) don’t always see (e.g. the families, the fishbowl they’ll live in)

Lastly, there is the “stepping stone” nature of MSU. It’s not a destination job. Maybe one day someone will make it that, but, for now, we’ll be an opportunity for someone to take a shot at spinning straw into gold

Yes this, combined with the generally held belief that it's a "hard job", no matter the position with the exception of baseball coach. You will be measured against about 14 teams in your league that have more resources than you. For this you get to live in Starkville, which is for some people but not everyone.

Anyone already successful at this level is almost certainly going to have multiple options that don't include the dynamics outlined above. That's why we tend to go with "up and comers" or people with some sort of baggage or quirk that reduces their options.

I see no problem with hiring coaches who are in their late 50s/early 60s who have some quirk or baggage. Because once they take that job, it's usually their last stop. And those guys aren't worried about shlt (kids, families, Target) except winning football games.

In basketball/baseball, that dynamic of the hard job is essentially removed. But you still have to deal with the small town thing, no getting around that.

 

[85Bears]

I see no problem with hiring coaches who are in their late 50s/early 60s who have some quirk or baggage. Because once they take that job, it's usually their last stop. And those guys aren't worried about shlt (kids, families, Target) except winning football games.

also , you wanted an experienced veteran coach who has built and run a program in our case, the aftermath of Arnett burning the program to the ground essentially. That’s not a situation you bring in a guy who has never even been a HC.

Job we needed done is as much to rebuild as it is to play call.

 

[Bullldawg78]

also , you wanted an experienced veteran coach who has built and run a program in our case, the aftermath of Arnett burning the program to the ground essentially. That’s not a situation you bring in a guy who has never even been a HC.

Job we needed done is as much to rebuild as it is to play call.

Couldn't agree more, why is our HEAD COACH calling plays instead of managing the rebuild and team? I'll say it again, you get amateur decisions from amateur coaches hired by amateur ADs!

 

[Shmuley]

Couldn't agree more, why is our HEAD COACH calling plays instead of managing the rebuild and team? I'll say it again, you get amateur decisions from amateur coaches hired by amateur ADs!

Inexperienced, not ready to be the head guy, hired a bud who wasn’t ready to be a coordinator. And not that bright. That’s a $h!+show sandwich recipe right there.

 

[DoomSlayer]

If Tupelo could just somehow start turning into something like Huntsville it would help immensely.

 

[patdog]

If Tupelo could just somehow start turning into something like Huntsville it would help immensely.

All we need is a massive new space program to set up headquarters there. Manned mission to Mars we’ve got just the place for you.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

"Starkville is unwelcoming — when a place’s selling point is MSU"

Damn, all these guys must just be big losers because nobody comes to Starkville..............Noble, Biermann, Sasse, McKeen, Royal, Tyler, Bellard, Sherrill, Mullen, Leach....................

 

[Maroon Eagle]

"Starkville is unwelcoming — when a place’s selling point is MSU"

Damn, all these guys must just be big losers because nobody comes to Starkville..............Noble, Biermann, Sasse, McKeen, Royal, Tyler, Bellard, Sherrill, Mullen, Leach....................

Dudy Noble was from Learned… which is Noxapater’s Noxapater.

 

[Mr. Cook]

All we need is a massive new space program to set up headquarters there. Manned mission to Mars we’ve got just the place for you.

“Elon Musk on line 2”…

 

[Mr. Cook]

"Starkville is unwelcoming — when a place’s selling point is MSU"

Damn, all these guys must just be big losers because nobody comes to Starkville..............Noble, Biermann, Sasse, McKeen, Royal, Tyler, Bellard, Sherrill, Mullen, Leach....................

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