2024-2025 WBB Team (2022-present)

[DarkCock]

Digested some of the LSU stats and guess I’m still in an “I told you so mood”

The board but not so much this thread went nutso when Morrow signed with LSU and didn’t even give us a visit. Several of us said, Undersized to play the 4, no mid range or outside shot to play the 3, doesn’t play D, and led the nation in shots attempted.

Her stat line last night
18 MP, 2-9 and 0-1 for 4 pts, 4 Rebs, 4 fouls (simply could not defend her position) 1 assist 2 turnovers

We also said who is going to play pg for LSU?

HVL??? Kateri Poole

Poole 16 mp, 0 points 1 reb 2 assists 5 TOs
HVL 37mp 14 pts on 4-11 and 3-4, 7assists (3 in the last 3 minutes) 1 reb 4 TOs

well what about their D

PG Sherrod 31 mp, 19 pts 8 reb 6 assists
Formann the other G who also filled in at point some
27pts, 5 reb and 5 assists

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed how bulky HVL looks. I would have thought she would be much leaner, knowing she was going to play point. She clearly couldn't defend Colorado's PG. She also didn't exactly set the world on fire running the offense either. I was surprised how much hate she's getting on twitter. I guess she has the reputation of being a bit of a trash talker. Louisville fans were definitely hating on her.



I have seen the suggestion of playing Poole at point, since she played that position quite a bit down the stretch last year and have HVL come off the ball. The problem is their stars -- Reese, Morrow, HVL, Johnson, Williams -- play 3 positions. None of them are a true point guard or center. Smith and Poole are the answers there, but that means less playing times for the stars. This wouldn't be a problem for Dawn, since she likes to play a lot of players, but Mulkey prefers a tight rotation. She may have even won a player like Morrow over by promising more playing time than she would have gotten here. Oh well, they have plenty of glorified scrimmages to work it out.

 

[CockyGirl]

Digested some of the LSU stats and guess I’m still in an “I told you so mood”

The board but not so much this thread went nutso when Morrow signed with LSU and didn’t even give us a visit. Several of us said, Undersized to play the 4, no mid range or outside shot to play the 3, doesn’t play D, and led the nation in shots attempted.

Her stat line last night
18 MP, 2-9 and 0-1 for 4 pts, 4 Rebs, 4 fouls (simply could not defend her position) 1 assist 2 turnovers

We also said who is going to play pg for LSU?

HVL??? Kateri Poole

Poole 16 mp, 0 points 1 reb 2 assists 5 TOs
HVL 37mp 14 pts on 4-11 and 3-4, 7assists (3 in the last 3 minutes) 1 reb 4 TOs

well what about their D

PG Sherrod 31 mp, 19 pts 8 reb 6 assists
Formann the other G who also filled in at point some
27pts, 5 reb and 5 assists

I'll never doubt you again @winloseortie I got to thinking about Morrow's performance last night and it seems she has to be a volume shooter to perform well. Volume shooters get on a roll and thats how they puts up their numbers but this team isn't going to allow her to play that way because too many players need the ball. I have never liked a volume shooter so I'm glad she isn't ours!

 

[winloseortie]

I'll never doubt you again @winloseortie I got to thinking about Morrow's performance last night and it seems she has to be a volume shooter to perform well. Volume shooters get on a roll and thats how they puts up their numbers but this team isn't going to allow her to play that way because too many players need the ball. I have never liked a volume shooter so I'm glad she isn't ours!

I get things wrong so often, spouse, profession, finances, so I hope I didn’t get too belligerent. BUT I was right for now

 

[Gamekem]

Digested some of the LSU stats and guess I’m still in an “I told you so mood”

The board but not so much this thread went nutso when Morrow signed with LSU and didn’t even give us a visit. Several of us said, Undersized to play the 4, no mid range or outside shot to play the 3, doesn’t play D, and led the nation in shots attempted.

Her stat line last night
18 MP, 2-9 and 0-1 for 4 pts, 4 Rebs, 4 fouls (simply could not defend her position) 1 assist 2 turnovers

We also said who is going to play pg for LSU?

HVL??? Kateri Poole

Poole 16 mp, 0 points 1 reb 2 assists 5 TOs
HVL 37mp 14 pts on 4-11 and 3-4, 7assists (3 in the last 3 minutes) 1 reb 4 TOs

well what about their D

PG Sherrod 31 mp, 19 pts 8 reb 6 assists
Formann the other G who also filled in at point some
27pts, 5 reb and 5 assists

I disagree on the Morrow bit. I think she has a good midrange shot when in the flow of the offense. I just think she chose the wrong school, I don't see how both her and Angel coexist in the same lineup effectively. Also Mulkey isn't exactly known for developing players into a new position either so her choosing that school was not ideal.

If South Carolina wasn't recruiting her, I truly believe LSU wouldn't have pushed so hard, it seemed more like their goal was to outdo us moreso get the right pieces for their team.

She would have been a star at Southern Cal with Juju and Dawn would helped her transition her to the 3 here. There's a host of other competing schools like Maryland or Notre Dame that would had made better use of her current inside game and rebounding . Unfortunately this feels like a casualty of the NIL era influencing decisions.

I just hope the current recruits are paying attention. 2 of their top targets for this year play the same position as Angel and will be competing for minutes with each other a long with Angel for their freshman season.

 

[DarkCock]

I'll never doubt you again @winloseortie I got to thinking about Morrow's performance last night and it seems she has to be a volume shooter to perform well. Volume shooters get on a roll and thats how they puts up their numbers but this team isn't going to allow her to play that way because too many players need the ball. I have never liked a volume shooter so I'm glad she isn't ours!

My first post after we became aware of her interest in coming here was to ask, how do we know she's better than Sania Feagin? Feagin was a 5 star, 4th ranked overall player coming out of high school. Morrow, from the same class, was a 3 star. What if Feagin had gone to DePaul and got to shoot as much as she wanted? And what if Morrow had come here; would she have gotten significant playing time over future WNBA player who were her senior?

After watching them yesterday, I still don't know that Morrow is better. Maybe she is. I just don't know that for certain and I didn't see the point in bringing her in. The only case I could see was to keep her away from LSU.

I believe several posters said she would play the 3 here, so her playing time wouldn't have conflicted with Sania. But she's not playing the 3 at LSU; she's playing the 4.

Regardless, I'm glad we're rolling with the players we have. Feagin didn't play much yesterday, but her attitude didn't suffer for it. We don't know how Morrow would have handled limited minutes.

 

[DarkCock]

I like to look at the advanced states because I have found there is my perception of how well I believe a player played and the stats, which sometimes tell a different story. In this case, I guess I was wrong about Chloe. The advanced stats love her performance on offense. She was in there at the start of the 2nd half, when Raven kept lobbying the ball inside to Cordoso and Notre Dame had no answer. Perhaps because she's not a post-up player, necessarily, like Watkins and Feagin, that opens up the paint just enough for those lobs to Cardoso work so well. So maybe we shouldn't be too concerned about her lack of rebounding.

We'll find out more Sunday. Maryland isn't a particularly imposing team physically. She should be able to hold her own under the basket.

 

[PFUNK Cock]

ESPN lists the Terps as starting 5 guards. I guess they didn't address the height deficiency from last year's game. They'll be well-coached, regardless.

Yes but all of the guards were over 6 feet tall so they are interchangeable. Out front court should dominate but we will need to guard the arc with that group

 

[Prestonyte]

Well deserved

https://www.si.com/womens-college-basketball/2023/11/07/colorado-trolled-lsu-so-hard-social-media-after-upsetting-angel-reese-and-no-1-tigers

 

[adcoop]

I like to look at the advanced states because I have found there is my perception of how well I believe a player played and the stats, which sometimes tell a different story. In this case, I guess I was wrong about Chloe. The advanced stats love her performance on offense. She was in there at the start of the 2nd half, when Raven kept lobbying the ball inside to Cordoso and Notre Dame had no answer. Perhaps because she's not a post-up player, necessarily, like Watkins and Feagin, that opens up the paint just enough for those lobs to Cardoso work so well. So maybe we shouldn't be too concerned about her lack of rebounding.

We'll find out more Sunday. Maryland isn't a particularly imposing team physically. She should be able to hold her own under the basket.

You, also, may want to get a larger sample size before judging too. She had 1 rebound yesterday, but 10 in the Exhibition game against Rutgers. Stats can vary widely based on the circumstances of the game.

 

[DarkCock]

You, also, may want to get a larger sample size before judging too. She had 1 rebound yesterday, but 10 in the Exhibition game against Rutgers. Stats can vary widely based on the circumstances of the game.

Well, of course. But I was specifically discussing how she played in that particular game.

 

[winloseortie]

I'm not especially concerned about the rebounding, yet, because Dawn could always move Chloe to the 3 and play Watkins & Feagin at the 4, if that becomes an issue. We blew out Rutgers and Notre Dame despite close rebounding totals. We're quick and athletic, making easy transition layups. Big difference from last year when we walked up the floor and missed a lot of shots in the half-court but fought for an additional 4 or 5 shots because of our offensive rebounding prowess.

btw, are you going to do a breakdown of Maryland? I have no idea who's on their team. Every year they have at least 5 new players.

First look at Maryland starting 5
Possible the oldest starting five in NCAA history

Shyanne Sellers junior
Faith Masonius 5th year senior
Lavender Briggs 5th year senior
Jakia Brown-Turner 5th year senior
Brinae Alexander 6th year senior

 

[DarkCock]

Yes but all of the guards were over 6 feet tall so they are interchangeable. Out front court should dominate but we will need to guard the arc with that group

Strangely, despite all those guards, they lack a true point guard. They committed 18 turnovers against Havard. Harvard isn't exactly known for their suffocating defense. Maryland also gave up 25 offensive rebounds.

The Terps still won comfortably because they can shoot, as you point out.

 

[winloseortie]

Strangely, despite all those guards, they lack a true point guard. They committed 18 turnovers against Havard. Harvard isn't exactly known for their suffocating defense. Maryland also gave up 25 offensive rebounds.

The Terps still won comfortably because they can shoot, as you point out.

It is going to be a real game of cat and mouse on matchups when they have the ball. They play 5 out, penetrate and score or dish and 3.

Last year Boston guarded Masonius because she was slow. Look for Cardoso in that matchup.
i am envisioning a lot of Watkins at the 4 with her relieving Hall in guarding Sellers.

All their starters are at least 6’1”. I think Raven and TeHina will be picked on to start the game. They will really have to stay in front and cut off drives otherwise they might get bullied down on the block

 

[winloseortie]

So how bad is UK? We get a look as they open with ETSU tonight. A team that went 25-10 last season but lost to us 101-31.

 

[DarkCock]

So how bad is UK? We get a look as they open with ETSU tonight. A team that went 25-10 last season but lost to us 101-31.

Who's still on the team? The transfer from Oregon is good. Probably a future pro. The little girl who can get hot and score. The player who was causing trouble in the SEC tournament, Petty. I think a Tennessee backup transferred there. I've got no idea after that.

 

[winloseortie]

Who's still on the team? The transfer from Oregon is good. Probably a future pro. The little girl who can get hot and score. The player who was causing trouble in the SEC tournament, Petty. I think a Tennessee backup transferred there. I've got no idea after that.

Their web has no stats available and roster notes are incomplete. Looks like 3 starters back, two averaged double figures and 3 west coast portal players. I’m just curious if UK is any better than my very low opinion of them

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Go ETSU!!!! Beat Kentucky!!!!

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Is National Signing Day tomorrow? Will Joyce and Kennedy decide tomorrow?

 

[CockyGirl]

It starts tomorrow and goes through 11/15. No indication of when either will announce but it’s believed that they will both announce during this period as they have completed all of their visits.

 

[CockyGirl]

Go ETSU!!!! Beat Kentucky!!!!

Looks like Eniya did not make the starting 5.

 

[CockyGirl]

Just checked out the Tenn box score and they jacked up 29 threes tonight but made 8

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Dang it...UK pulled away at the end. It was tied after 3 quarters.

 

[USCEDGE]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed how bulky HVL looks. I would have thought she would be much leaner, knowing she was going to play point. She clearly couldn't defend Colorado's PG. She also didn't exactly set the world on fire running the offense either. I was surprised how much hate she's getting on twitter. I guess she has the reputation of being a bit of a trash talker. Louisville fans were definitely hating on her.



I have seen the suggestion of playing Poole at point, since she played that position quite a bit down the stretch last year and have HVL come off the ball. The problem is their stars -- Reese, Morrow, HVL, Johnson, Williams -- play 3 positions. None of them are a true point guard or center. Smith and Poole are the answers there, but that means less playing times for the stars. This wouldn't be a problem for Dawn, since she likes to play a lot of players, but Mulkey prefers a tight rotation. She may have even won a player like Morrow over by promising more playing time than she would have gotten here. Oh well, they have plenty of glorified scrimmages to work it out.

I would love it if they had to rely on Poole at PG. In 16 minutes she did not score and had 2 assists to go with 5 turnovers. Not impressive to say the least....

 

[winloseortie]

Riley Stack made her Fr debut for Coastal Monday night vs Ga. tech.
16 mp 6pts 2-5&2-2ft 2 reb and 2 blocks
I think she is going to have good career at that level and may have the opportunity to portal up as a sr.

Ark opened last night and Fr Taliah Scott had 29 in 81-76 victory over UL Monroe. I keep waiting for Neighbors to have really good team but there is always something missing. This is his 7th season with only 2NCAA appearances and 2 winning records in SEC play.

 

[DarkCock]

Jason Whitlock says women's college basketball has overtaken men's basketball. He's not wrong. I can't name a single male college basketball player outside of Carolina (Ok, I do know PJ Hall) , and I can't name our starting five.

 

[KingWard]

WBB has come a long way in the last 5-10 years - ain't no doubt about it.

 

[DarkCock]

WBB has come a long way in the last 5-10 years - ain't no doubt about it.

I think a lot has to do with them staying in school. We actually get to know the players a bit. The opposite is true of the men's game today, especially with the very best players. I could probably name 20 ACC players off the top of my from 1985. Not so now. Times have changed.

 

[winloseortie]

Jason Whitlock says women's college basketball has overtaken men's basketball. He's not wrong. I can't name a single male college basketball player outside of Carolina (Ok, I do know PJ Hall) , and I can't name our starting five.

Lot to think about in that clip. WBB Is developing a brand with loyalty, familiarity, and rivalries that the men’s side does not have.

As for Mulkey. What a POS. She has fed and stoked the self aggrandizing media frenzy from the first day she was hired. Now she is shocked that her players have developed her attitude.

DS To my knowledge has NEVER thrown players under the bus like Mulkey did in that post game presser. Mulkey will burn down her own house and this time much faster than she did at Baylor

I love what Paopao said this summer when asked about the difference between Oregon and the Gamecocks. She said in effect, “Well Oregon’s facilities were nicer, but I didn’t come here for facilities. I came because DS knows how to win and get you to the W.”

You come here expecting to sacrifice both for your development and the team’s success.

 

[KingWard]

I think a lot has to do with them staying in school. We actually get to know the players a bit. The opposite is true of the men's game today, especially with the very best players. I could probably name 20 ACC players off the top of my from 1985. Not so now. Times have changed.

So WBB at the collegiate level benefits from the compensation disparity between the NBA and the WNBA.

 

[winloseortie]

So WBB at the collegiate level benefits from the compensation disparity between the NBA and the WNBA.

Not so much as they benefit from the fact that you are not eligible for the draft until 4 years after graduation from HS.

 

[Gamekem]

 

[PFUNK Cock]

Riley Stack made her Fr debut for Coastal Monday night vs Ga. tech.
16 mp 6pts 2-5&2-2ft 2 reb and 2 blocks
I think she is going to have good career at that level and may have the opportunity to portal up as a sr.

Ark opened last night and Fr Taliah Scott had 29 in 81-76 victory over UL Monroe. I keep waiting for Neighbors to have really good team but there is always something missing. This is his 7th season with only 2NCAA appearances and 2 winning records in SEC play.

He recruits damn well but he loses too many players to transfers. His roster looks different every year

 

[DarkCock]

Riley Stack made her Fr debut for Coastal Monday night vs Ga. tech.
16 mp 6pts 2-5&2-2ft 2 reb and 2 blocks
I think she is going to have good career at that level and may have the opportunity to portal up as a sr.

Ark opened last night and Fr Taliah Scott had 29 in 81-76 victory over UL Monroe. I keep waiting for Neighbors to have really good team but there is always something missing. This is his 7th season with only 2NCAA appearances and 2 winning records in SEC play.

Neighbors will never recruit well enough to contend for the SEC title. He hovers around the 5th or 6th consistently, though once Texas joins they'll fall a notch. Not great, but I wish our men's program was that good.

 

[KingWard]

Not so much as they benefit from the fact that you are not eligible for the draft until 4 years after graduation from HS.

I wonder if that's judicially contestable. I'd hate to see it change. I wish it were that way across the board.

 

[DarkCock]

I wonder if that's judicially contestable. I'd hate to see it change. I wish it were that way across the board.

It's collectively bargained. I assume the players union would prefer to protect the jobs of its members. The owners are to blame for the one and done. Like Whitlock says, they are hurting themselves in the long run

 

[KingWard]

It's collectively bargained. I assume the players union would prefer to protect the jobs of its members. The owners are to blame for the one and done. Like Whitlock says, they are hurting themselves in the long run

I don't think the union has anything to lose. There is a finite number of jobs but dues are dues, whoever pays them.

 

[DarkCock]

I fascinated with the Raven to Cardoso lob play. How do you defend it without a player who can come close to matching Kamilla's height?

Notice where Cardoso is when Bree grabs the rebound. Her ability to run the court at her size is amazing. She's a gazelle out there. Cardoso gets down the court and establishes position early.



Here's the whole play. Hidalgo is too far off Raven and lacks the size to make up the distance.



Notre Dame called a timeout and came out in a zone. They position a taller player at the top of the zone, but she's still too far off Raven and the lob works again.



The best way to defend the lob imo is to get up in Raven's space and make it difficult for her to make the pass. Of course, the book on defending Raven is to slag off and give her the 3 pointer. Quite a dilemma for an opposing coach.

Brenda Frese is one of the best in game. It'll be interesting to see how she defends it.

 

[CockyGirl]

Joyce note … no idea if this means anything but Maddy McDaniel just started following Joyce on insta and Joyce reposted Maddy’s committed post on her stories.
I have found it odd that the two weren’t followers of each other even after they were on the same squad of an all star game.


On another note … a TOS poster is stating that LSU has offered a ridiculous amount of money to Joyce including transportation for her parents to her games. I really find that hard to believe but supposedly he lives in La and was at dinner with boosters

 

[germangamecock]

On another note … a TOS poster is stating that LSU has offered a ridiculous amount of money to Joyce including transportation for her parents to her games. I really find that hard to believe but supposedly he lives in La and was at dinner with boosters

Great to have that paid for... but do you really want to fly at minimum two hours there and two hours back to see your daughter pad stats against Northwestern State or Mississippi Valley State?

 

[Goody]

Great to have that paid for... but do you really want to fly at minimum two hours there and two hours back to see your daughter pad stats against Northwestern State or Mississippi Valley State?

Apparently Kim can’t out recruit Dawn, however lsu gives her what she needs to out spend Dawn!!