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Arianna Roberson committed to Duke yesterday. Between and her and Toby Fournier, Duke seems to be getting the players that UConn traditionally gets. It'll be interesting to see if that continues to hold true in the future. I imagine they are really pushing hard for Sarah Strong or possibly have some overseas post in the pipeline.

Roberson commitment also is the last top 50 prospect that can actually play the 5 without being undersized.

 

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Absolute best case scenario for our recruiting on Who is left in the top 50

#1 Strong NCSU
#2 Edwards Gamecoccks
#3 Cambridge Ohio st
#6 Smith Gamecocks
#10 Blakes anywhere but UT
#20 Randolph ND, Mich st., L’ville
#21 Kyomi McMiller any where but Ole Miss
#27 Kayleigh Heckel anywhere but UT
#32 Me’Arah O’Neal anywhere but LSU
 

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I fascinated with the Raven to Cardoso lob play. How do you defend it without a player who can come close to matching Kamilla's height?

Notice where Cardoso is when Bree grabs the rebound. Her ability to run the court at her size is amazing. She's a gazelle out there. Cardoso gets down the court and establishes position early.

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Here's the whole play. Hidalgo is too far off Raven and lacks the size to make up the distance.



Notre Dame called a timeout and came out in a zone. They position a taller player at the top of the zone, but she's still too far off Raven and the lob works again.

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The best way to defend the lob imo is to get up in Raven's space and make it difficult for her to make the pass. Of course, the book on defending Raven is to slag off and give her the 3 pointer. Quite a dilemma for an opposing coach.

Brenda Frese is one of the best in game. It'll be interesting to see how she defends it.

Credit to Raven, also, on the first lob pass where we took the 20 point lead and forced a ND time out. Raven backed the defender (Hildago?) down at the FT line, then Raven backed out to created the space needed for the entry pass. Good move by Raven and good teamwork overall.
 

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Credit to Raven, also, on the first lob pass where we took the 20 point lead and forced a ND time out. Raven backed the defender (Hildago?) down at the FT line, then Raven backed out to created the space needed for the entry pass. Good move by Raven and good teamwork overall.
100%. She's a true point guard learning from the best.
 

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Worth watching tonight

UT VS FSU 6pm ESPN2
Latson didn't play in FSU's first game due to a hamstring injury. Hope she's alright. Don't think it will be much a game, otherwise.

Watching UT's first game, I think the defense of their guards is their biggest concern. Latson would be a good test.
 
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I wonder if that's judicially contestable. I'd hate to see it change. I wish it were that way across the board.
That ship has sailed. There are too many successful NBA examples with no or one year of college. Of course, there are just as many negative examples, but I think that should be up to the player to assess where they are as a player. Actually, players don't have to do the one year of college anymore. They are able to go to the G-League if they choose, but the NBA owners and management still like the comfort of players going to college for that one year so they can see players against high level competition for one year. The one-and-done rule was always more about protecting management from million dollar mistakes on high school kids than allowing kids an opportunity. Thank NBA busts like Kwame Brown for the One-and-Done rule.
 

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That ship has sailed. There are too many successful NBA examples with no or one year of college. Of course, there are just as many negative examples, but I think that should be up to the player to assess where they are as a player. Actually, players don't have to do the one year of college anymore. They are able to go to the G-League if they choose, but the NBA owners and management still like the comfort of players going to college for that one year so they can see players against high level competition for one year. The one-and-done rule was always more about protecting management from million dollar mistakes on high school kids than allowing kids an opportunity. Thank NBA busts like Kwame Brown for the One-and-Done rule.
I don't agree with the last part. It's the players union that supports an age limit. If the owners want to reduce the age a player can enter the league, they have to give concessions elsewhere ("media rights and revenue sharing").

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I agree with Whitlock that the NBA owners has shot themselves in the foot by lowering the age limit. The popularity of college basketball increased the popularity of the NBA. I'm not sure how they put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. Sad.
 

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I don't agree with the last part. It's the players union that supports an age limit. If the owners want to reduce the age a player can enter the league, they have to give concessions elsewhere ("media rights and revenue sharing").

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I agree with Whitlock that the NBA owners has shot themselves in the foot by lowering the age limit. The popularity of college basketball increased the popularity of the NBA. I'm not sure how they put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. Sad.
Of course, the players would like to get to the NBA as soon as possible. However, the owners, if they have to give a concession on age limit, want at least that one year so they can see a player at a Duke, Kentucky, or North Carolina to see how he responds to a structured environment with high level competition. Now, letting some select high school kids into the G-League alleviates some of that, but there is still value for NBA management seeing these kids on a college campus. Back when this was an issue, almost 20 years ago now, the owners wanted two years of college, but settled for one instead of locking the players out any longer. So, you have twenty years of history with one-and-done players who mostly make up the top-tier of your league. The players are never giving that up now. Too much history that shows that it works for them. Yes, the NBA loses American casuals. However, that has been more than made up by their international presence. So, NBA owners are not going to do anything to upset the apple cart unless it seriously affects their bottom line. That hasn't happened.
 

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Yes I too think its about LSU and Joyce but are they saying that Dawn will win out bc she is the best recruiter or are they saying that when Joyce chooses LSU don't think it was because of the recruiters? Most replies are in the vein of Dawn will win out. Hope they are right!
 

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I don't agree with the last part. It's the players union that supports an age limit. If the owners want to reduce the age a player can enter the league, they have to give concessions elsewhere ("media rights and revenue sharing").

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I agree with Whitlock that the NBA owners has shot themselves in the foot by lowering the age limit. The popularity of college basketball increased the popularity of the NBA. I'm not sure how they put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. Sad.
That article is a little dated BTW. The NBA entered into a new Collective Bargaining Agreement back in June. It runs through 2030, with an option to terminate in 2029. They talked about the age limit, but nothing changed. I try to tell fans of College Basketball, all the time, that the NBA hems and haws about this, but really has no interest in changing the status quo when it comes to age limit.
 

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That article is a little dated BTW. The NBA entered into a new Collective Bargaining Agreement back in June. It runs through 2030, with an option to terminate in 2029. They talked about the age limit, but nothing changed. I try to tell fans of College Basketball, all the time, that the NBA hems and haws about this, but really has no interest in changing the status quo when it comes to age limit.
Adam Silver wanted to lower the age limit, but the union won on that issue.

 

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Adam Silver wanted to lower the age limit, but the union won on that issue.

David Stern and now Adam Silver have been saying that for about 4 Collective Bargaining Agreements. At what point do you stop taking them at their word and say they are really not that serious about that issue. All Silver wanted was his little soccer-style in-season tournament and he was good.
 
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Just checked Ticketmasters, general admission tickets for Sunday are $18. Anywhere else is a minimum of around $30. I can get USC/Vandy football tickets for less.

I'm going to the volleyball match, which starts an hour after the basketball game. Parking will be a nightmare. 😣
 

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Latson didn't play in FSU's first game due to a hamstring injury. Hope she's alright. Don't think it will be much a game, otherwise.

Watching UT's first game, I think the defense of their guards is their biggest concern. Latson would be a good test.
Well, I guess the Vols get an F for defense. No one could keep a player in front of them. FSU consistently got in the lane and dished out to an open shooter on the perimeter.

If Key comes back fully, that will help. The issue is still the guards' defense, though.

On a positive note, the Vols offense was humming.
 
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Latson don’t look very injured to me! UT looking like a fraud just like LSU. 34-20 end of the first
Sorry I missed this discussion. Just changed providers and had a hell of a time changing providers on my ESPN App. Did the IPHONE first and finally got it working on my Firestick
 

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Anyone watch any of the LSU non conference laffer or other SEC games last night? Typical blow--out but Kim's already making changes .
She moved S. Smith into the starting line-up and had Morrow coming off the bench. HVL with a very quiet game - 0 Fgs, 3 pts and 3 assists in 21 minutes. I am still very happy that the freshmen center Del Rosario followed her teammate to LSU instead of committing to SC. Probably would have cost us Tac, who i believe has way more upside and future potential if she is truly over her foot injury (all signs point positive). ADR is sllllooowwww and would never have been able to keep up with Raven and MF (and eventually Maddie) the way they like to run and dish to a big. Absolutely no way she should have been rated top 10 and ahead of Fulwiley.

Tennessee - offense looked improved but D was glaring at times - FSU made 13 3s and almost all were wide open. Harper should be shouting prayers of thanks everyday that Rickea J decided to return. Without her, they would be on the Bama, Arky, level in this year's conference instead of top 5. Spear can def shoot and Puckett looks improved but Harper still can't substitute or manage an end game properly

Ol' Miss. - surprised they lost at home giving up 80 to Oklahoma. Their O still looked rough and their D was not up to their normal standard. Perhaps they were a tad bit overrated at #12
 
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Anyone watch any of the LSU non conference laffer or other SEC games last night? Typical blow--out but Kim's already making changes .
She moved S. Smith into the starting line-up and had Morrow coming off the bench. HVL with a very quiet game - 0 Fgs, 3 pts and 3 assists in 21 minutes. I am still very happy that the freshmen center Del Rosario followed her teammate to LSU instead of committing to SC. Probably would have cost us Tac, who i believe has way more upside and future potential if she is truly over her foot injury (all signs point positive). ADR is sllllooowwww and would never have been able to keep up with Raven and MF (and eventually Maddie) the way they like to run and dish to a big. Absolutely no way she should have been rated top 10 and ahead of Fulwiley.

Tennessee - offense looked improved but D was glaring at times - FSU made 13 3s and almost all were wide open. Harper should be shouting prayers of thanks everyday that Rickea J decided to return. Without her, they would be on the Bama, Arky, level in this year's conference instead of top 5. Spear can def shoot and Puckett looks improved but Harper still can't substitute or manage an end game properly

Ol' Miss. - surprised they lost at home giving up 80 to Oklahoma. Their O still looked rough and their D was not up to their normal standard. Perhaps, they were a tad bit overrated at #12
Did you notice how long it took for Tamari Key to get up after she fell to the floor? That was kind of hard to watch. Hopefully it's just a case of her needing to play herself into shape.
 
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Did you notice how long it took for Tamari Key to get up after she fell to the floor? That was kind of hard to watch. Hopefully it's just a case of her needing to play herself into shape.
I did notice and thanks for mentioning. TK may be able to 'turn it on' at some point this year but she does not look like the same player right now after her lung condition from last year.
 
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Anyone watch any of the LSU non conference laffer or other SEC games last night? Typical blow--out but Kim's already making changes .
She moved S. Smith into the starting line-up and had Morrow coming off the bench. HVL with a very quiet game - 0 Fgs, 3 pts and 3 assists in 21 minutes. I am still very happy that the freshmen center Del Rosario followed her teammate to LSU instead of committing to SC. Probably would have cost us Tac, who i believe has way more upside and future potential if she is truly over her foot injury (all signs point positive). ADR is sllllooowwww and would never have been able to keep up with Raven and MF (and eventually Maddie) the way they like to run and dish to a big. Absolutely no way she should have been rated top 10 and ahead of Fulwiley.

Tennessee - offense looked improved but D was glaring at times - FSU made 13 3s and almost all were wide open. Harper should be shouting prayers of thanks everyday that Rickea J decided to return. Without her, they would be on the Bama, Arky, level in this year's conference instead of top 5. Spear can def shoot and Puckett looks improved but Harper still can't substitute or manage an end game properly

Ol' Miss. - surprised they lost at home giving up 80 to Oklahoma. Their O still looked rough and their D was not up to their normal standard. Perhaps they were a tad bit overrated at #12
Did you notice how long it took for Tamari Key to get up after she fell to the floor? That was kind of hard to watch. Hopefully it's just a case of her needing to play herself into shape.
Total over reaction to the games this week. We are regular season and tournament champs.

On LSU…. Smith starting at center is a good start. It gets Reese to her best position. The only problems are, Smith is undersized to pretty much every C in the league, also what does this do to Morrow’s ego and confidence?

ADL is not just slow, she is embarrassingly out of shape to be playing at this level. She made the U19 team this summer but then withdrew. Was she informed about how little she might play or what?

HVL is still not a PG and still does not play D. The team is loaded with talent but does not fit, play D and at present lacks heart.

UT kinda shocked me. Key and Wells not starting. Slow and awful on D. But Rickea is hell on wheels. Friend who was in very good shape(but not college level athlete) had lung blood clots and it took her a little over 2 years to regain stamina and strength

Ole Miss losing was a surprise, BUT you look at their OOC schedule and realize it is an LSU Clone. Maybe Yo knows!

So many teams have such horrible OOC’s I’m declaring the league, except us, a fraud until the ACC Challenge
 

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Total over reaction to the games this week. We are regular season and tournament champs.

On LSU…. Smith starting at center is a good start. It gets Reese to her best position. The only problems are, Smith is undersized to pretty much every C in the league, also what does this do to Morrow’s ego and confidence?

ADL is not just slow, she is embarrassingly out of shape to be playing at this level. She made the U19 team this summer but then withdrew. Was she informed about how little she might play or what?

HVL is still not a PG and still does not play D. The team is loaded with talent but does not fit, play D and at present lacks heart.

UT kinda shocked me. Key and Wells not starting. Slow and awful on D. But Rickea is hell on wheels. Friend who was in very good shape(but not college level athlete) had lung blood clots and it took her a little over 2 years to regain stamina and strength

Ole Miss losing was a surprise, BUT you look at their OOC schedule and realize it is an LSU Clone. Maybe Yo knows!

So many teams have such horrible OOC’s I’m declaring the league, except us, a fraud until the ACC Challenge
I agree that the SEC looks like a fraud so far. All the transfers made the SEC feel like the "It" conference. Even our best 2 players transferred in. But Dawn has done an excellent job with high school recruiting, so we have more continuity than the rest of the conference. For the conference to take the next step, the overall high school recruiting needs to improve.

Wild stat in the UT/FSU that the Vols had ZERO freshman on the roster. Not sure I've ever heard that before.
 

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I agree that the SEC looks like a fraud so far. All the transfers made the SEC feel like the "It" conference. Even our best 2 players transferred in. But Dawn has done an excellent job with high school recruiting, so we have more continuity than the rest of the conference. For the conference to take the next step, the overall high school recruiting needs to improve.

Wild stat in the UT/FSU that the Vols had ZERO freshman on the roster. Not sure I've ever heard that before.
You and I have both said it. Paopao, was a much better get for us than either Morrow or HVL was for LSU.

PaoPao checked off every box in what we needed.
Terrific 3pt shooter✔️
PG who can also play 2G✔️
Proven team Leadership✔️
Burning Desire to improve weaknesses to get to the W✔️
Willingness to sacrifice for the good of the team✔️


Now this might be harsh but not unfair

Morrow and HVL are ring tramps, NIL and accolade hungry players who said, “I dont care if I play out of position. My talent and their talent makes us unbeatable.” They bought everything Mulkey was selling for a ring and NIL and never really thought through the questions of where with my specific talents should I go?

I always thought HVL should have gone to Iowa. OMG How many open shots would she have gotten just knowing where to stand?

Morrow would have been a great fit at OM or even Va Tech or Maryland
 
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Firehouse Subs must be a new NiL deal for the girls bc they all have posted a version of this
 
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