equals 408, PSU's slot in the latest Forbes ranking of colleges and universities:
We Are.....408
No word on whether PSU plans to appeal this ranking.
We Are.....408
No word on whether PSU plans to appeal this ranking.
409 minus 1
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I guess they aren’t a fan of our tuition (tied, of course, to ROI).
F*ck us.
F*ck us.
If I recall correctly, and I wouldn't swear to it 100%, but I think FORBES uses Out of State tuition costs in their comparatives database for Public Schools.
Penn State's OOS tuition _ which, as any parent from NJ or VA knows, is crazy high - but so are many of the other 'Flagships". Where PSU stands alone, is with the In State tuition costs - which are roughly double - in some cases more than double - the In State tuition rates for our Big Ten peers. That, IIRC, doesn't even enter in to the Forbes algorithm.... if it did, obviously, that would have a negative effect on their perceptions of PSU.
That said - when every Big Ten school is in the top 200 (even Nebraska and Iowa) and PSU is not only not in the top 200 (which really isn't even very select company) - but is 208 places LOWER than the lowest other Big Ten school - that should set off sirens and red flags - regardless of what oddities and distortions one might disagree with wrt Forbes methodologies.
"Solutions, not gaslighting"
Ouch
8. University of Pennsylvania
25. Swarthmore College
59. Carnegie Mellon University
62. Haverford College
68. Lafayette College
101. Franklin and Marshall College
105. Villanova University
109. Lehigh University
129. Drexel University
138. Dickinson College
145. Bucknell University
178. Gettysburg College
225. Grove City College
227. Saint Joseph's University (PA)
235. University of Pittsburgh
262. Bryn Mawr College
273. Thomas Jefferson University
282. Duquesne University
307.West Chester University of Pennsylvania
311. Muhlenberg College
351. Washington & Jefferson College
367. University of Scranton
369. Juniata College
376. Temple University
401. La Salle University
408. Pennsylvania State University
413. Susquehanna University
417. Allegheny College
425. Ursinus College
428. Elizabethtown College
440. Saint Francis University
497. Messiah University
8. University of Pennsylvania
25. Swarthmore College
59. Carnegie Mellon University
62. Haverford College
68. Lafayette College
101. Franklin and Marshall College
105. Villanova University
109. Lehigh University
129. Drexel University
138. Dickinson College
145. Bucknell University
178. Gettysburg College
225. Grove City College
227. Saint Joseph's University (PA)
235. University of Pittsburgh
262. Bryn Mawr College
273. Thomas Jefferson University
282. Duquesne University
307.West Chester University of Pennsylvania
311. Muhlenberg College
351. Washington & Jefferson College
367. University of Scranton
369. Juniata College
376. Temple University
401. La Salle University
408. Pennsylvania State University
413. Susquehanna University
417. Allegheny College
425. Ursinus College
428. Elizabethtown College
440. Saint Francis University
497. Messiah University
On of my favorite quotes -
“You make more money selling advice than following it. It’s one of the things we count on in the magazine business – along with the short memory of our readers.”
— Steve Forbes
“You make more money selling advice than following it. It’s one of the things we count on in the magazine business – along with the short memory of our readers.”
— Steve Forbes
But, what about DEIB? Doesn't that count for something?
Near term pain. Wait until PSU moves up to 399 next year. We'll celebrate then.
Neeli and the bot laugh at our tanking ranking. High out-of-state tuition is a point of pride. PSU is for trust-fund kids, not kids from the hood.
We may be ranked 408, but our students smell better.
We may be ranked 408, but our students smell better.
I picture Neeli talking about DEIB and our future rankings like Otter in Animal House talking about the mid-terms helping their average. Ha!
Have to have it for it to count, right? I believe there are more international students at UP (undergrad) than black students.
I've maintained much of my enthusiasm for Penn State football, but I'm starting to lose some of that. I now think a lot of it was that I took pride in the University's academic standing as well. Now, Penn State appears to be nothing more than those schools we use to smugly look down upon as mere football factories. The one bright light is that if this board is any indication, the alumni base is not going to stand for this much longer.
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Saw this train coming from a distance...Hate to say it, no I don't, saw it coming a long time ago. We got pigs at the trough, we invited them in and here's what you get...408 but hey we got some wealthy leaders and a ton of out of state fools paying the bill.
Meanwhile the man responsible for our problems, Eric Barron, lives a comfortable retirement. A nothing whose most memorable moment was giving the “hands-up , don’t shoot” symbol when surrounded by black racists.
Neeli and the bot laugh at ourtankingranking. High out-of-state tuition is a point of pride. PSU is for trust-fund kids, not kids from the hood.
We may be ranked 408, but our students smell better.
Neeli has to be elated at this ranking, we have no place to go than up.
About twice as many I believe, although some of the international students are black.
How in the hell can Michigan, OSU, Northwestern, and all the other B10 school hundreds of slots above us figure this out and Penn State can't? Or to look out my window, how can f&^%ing West Chester University figure this out and Penn State can't?
All of a sudden we're seeing how rotten things are with the BOT, who are slapping each other on the back for a job well done and telling Neeli she's the bomb. And we shouldn't believe our lying eyes.
How soon until the BOT realizes that their biggest problem is one trustee who refuses to be 'on board' and keeps pointing out exactly how deep we're in it?
And Alvin deLevie is up for re-election too, if he's running again. I guess we'll see him back here around January, along with Football Trustee Brandon.
All of a sudden we're seeing how rotten things are with the BOT, who are slapping each other on the back for a job well done and telling Neeli she's the bomb. And we shouldn't believe our lying eyes.
How soon until the BOT realizes that their biggest problem is one trustee who refuses to be 'on board' and keeps pointing out exactly how deep we're in it?
And Alvin deLevie is up for re-election too, if he's running again. I guess we'll see him back here around January, along with Football Trustee Brandon.
Maybe an interesting anecdote/tidbit/coincidence:
There is only one major university (P5 conference - or even a university that the average person might know exists) that is ranked below PSU.
That is Louisville - the previous job on Dr Bendapudi's CV.
She was smart to get out of there. Coinkydink?
Not necessarily. Forbes ranks the ”top” 500.
I’m guessing PSU’s leaderers are critical of Forbes’ criteria. We just aren’t built for Forbes’ ranking with their flawed criteria. Stay the course.
And why is this a problem? Are we not accepting qualified black students who've submitted an application?
Do HBCU's worry about their percentages of non-black students?
One last question; Do international students count toward diversity?
Curious where Florida State is in comparison to its Barron helm and Post Barron helm
Fantastic, you’ve uncovered both the problem and the solution in one post.
This is nice data. I just ran some quick number and found:
Black applicants submitted 8,777 applications and have a 49% admission rate with a 11% enroll rate.
International applicants submitted 13,801 applications and have a 48% admission rate with a 13% enroll rate.
White applicants submitted 46,152 applications and have a 45% admission rate with a 29% enroll rate.
Conclusions: Not many black students apply to PSU. Those that do apply have a very high admittance rate (only hispanics have a higher admission rate of 61%). Of those admitted, very few actually enroll.
When throwing a party I usually stop inviting those that never show up.
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Been discussed - here and elsewhere - before.
In the current FORBES, they are 60th - 5th out of 14 in the ACC, and have risen rapidly in recent years (post-Barron, as of a couple years ago, haven't checked more recently, they were the largest rising of any P5 university)
So, instead of wondering how you can make your party more attractive, you simply stop inviting people. That tracks.
Wait til the new art museum opens up. That alone should bring us down into the high 300's
This board isn’t an indication of that and looking down smugly at others is why the media crucified Joe and PSU.
I agree we need to turn around our academic standing, but we should take a real look in the mirror in regards to looking down on others. Every school has problems which we found out in 2011.
That’s part of it. Combine that with the lack of financial aid that other schools seem to be able to find and you have the magic formula.
upsetting the thin of skin- which is in itself priceless
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