a great one for the Crooms sheep...

[Coach34]

courtesy of USCReb..great work dude...

"Here's another factoid for you. If we take those same fifty teams defensive stats that you reported and look at won loss record, you will find that the Top 50 defensive units posted and average W/L record of 6.5/6.5, while the Top 50 offensive units averaged an 8.4/4.6 W/L record. So, you can spout about defenses all you wish and repeat the sad Madden-like platitude that "Defenses win championships," but the fact is that they don't."

but...but...but...i read here its all about ball-control and defense to win games? Last year wasnt an anomaly, its how State wins games.

 

[Coach34]

courtesy of USCReb..great work dude...

"Here's another factoid for you. If we take those same fifty teams defensive stats that you reported and look at won loss record, you will find that the Top 50 defensive units posted and average W/L record of 6.5/6.5, while the Top 50 offensive units averaged an 8.4/4.6 W/L record. So, you can spout about defenses all you wish and repeat the sad Madden-like platitude that "Defenses win championships," but the fact is that they don't."

but...but...but...i read here its all about ball-control and defense to win games? Last year wasnt an anomaly, its how State wins games.

 

[TheMAROONandWHITE]

get something new. not everything that supports croom or our team is a sheep.

 

[CivilEngineerDog]

except the constant expert who nags relentlessly follows a different leader.</p>

 

[TR.sixpack]

is you.

 

[Brutius]

I went to the NCAA.com website (if you know a more valid place for NCAA statistics please let me know). The top 50 teams last year in total defense averaged 8.38 wins. The top 50 teams in total offense averaged 7.76 wins. 9 of the top 50 in total defense had losing records. The top 50 in offense had 14 losing records including 2 teams that were 1-11, and another that was 2-10.

So, how do you feel now about defense versus offense, you ignorant tool?

 

[Henry Kissinger]

*and

i think* the top 3 defensive teams were ohio state, lsu, and usc.

 

[jamdawg96]

are competing for championships. However, most of the teams in the Top 20 are playing for titles, whether it be division, conference, or national. There, you have an average record of 8.8-4.2 for the Top 20 offenses, and a record of 9.4-3.6 for the Top 20 defenses. Sure, it's only a difference of a half game either way, but it totally disproves anything worth noting in your post, and further justifies your general ignorance. AND you quoted something that was false. Geez.

If you don't mind, Coach, open your mouth for a second... I'd like my balls back.

 

[VirgilCain]

i would have taken coach at his word (not sure whey though), good job on looking up the facts... props

 

[thatsbaseball]

they had to drag around to produce those records. Our defense is is pretty good because Croom and Woody aren`t trying to coach it. Oh and while we`re at it what`s your mathmatical excuse for us having such a ****** offense when that`s suppose to be our head coach`s area of expertise ?

 

[DowntownDawg]

...That was severe. Nothing like Sunday morning pwnage.

 

[Todd4State]

since you consider yourself to be an expert, you would think that you would have, you know picked up on that in say,oh I don't know, Feb at the lastest instead of August.

I thought that stat sounded fishy.

 

[Coach34]

for using an ignorant Rebels stats. I should have done my own research.

 

[dawgman42]

Then again, probably not.

 

[Coach34]

yuku

 

[HD6]

*</p>

 

[uscreb]

Went back a checked this morning at the NCAA Site. Your figures are correct. I submit to ownage on this one. I have changed my signature for the next week as a reminder.

 

[HD6]

all 3 teams 100 or worse in total offense that finished with winning records had a top 25 defense. Pitt and Vandy also had that combination, but both finished 5-7. Auburn's offense was 97th, defense 6th, they went 9-4.

From 90 down in total defense, there were 5 BCS teams that finished with winning records. From 90 down in total offense, there was 1 BCS team that finished with a winning record, and they were 7-6.

 

[Coach34]

Auburn can thank the Spread for not being 100+ as they were 103 heading into the bowl game running the WCO

 

[thatsbaseball]

on the odds of consistently winning with an offense that really sucks and a good to very good defense. Can`t be any better than about 1 in 4.</p>

 

[Brutius]

Would you rather be 8-5 with a bowl victory and a 113th ranked offense or 5-7 with the 9th ranked offense? How about 6-6 and not invited to a bowl with the 6th ranked offense? Maybe you would prefer to be a fan of the teams that had the 35th, 36th, and 37th ranked offense and finish with 4, 4, and 1 win repsectively?

And to answer your question, no you aren't looking at things right. It looks to me that there are 5 BCS teams with winning records from 90 down in total offense: Connecticut, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Virginia, and Mississippi State.

 

[HD6]

yes, the 5 winning records are total offense, and total defense is the one winning record.

I don't care we rank in anything except the AP poll.

 

[jamdawg96]

so I'm not gonna go crazy with the stats or links, but it's obvious when you look at the charts that the teams with better defenses are more successful than the teams with better offenses. And in terms of who they played, there were more teams in BCS conferences with a Top 20 defense than offense. Just look at the Top 3 alone on either side of the ball... With defense you have Ohio State, LSU, and Southern Cal. On offense you have Tulsa, Texas Tech, and Hawaii. Go to ncaa.com and look around for yourself. I'm tired of talking about this subject, and I already proved my point weeks ago: Teams in major conferences are much more likely to have a successful season with a strong defense rather than a strong offense. Things that are cliche may be annoying, but most of the time they're right as rain (ha). But it's a dead issue now.

As for Croom's offense, and mathematics, it's pretty simple. Talent on Defense > Talent on Offense. Or more simply put, TD>TO. At least that was the case with our team last year. We just didn't quite have the personnel to run the system we were trying to run. Although I doubt we'd have done much more using any other playbook. Granted, there were some dumb plays called, but in the end it's all about execution. This is a new year and I'm expecting a lot more versatility from this year's offense. Until the games begin and that's not the case, I'd rather not rack my brain for answers.

 

[dawgstudent]

we are all fans of winning records. If we can prove that we can go the next plateau with a 100th ranked offense, then let's do it but most of us think we can't hence the debate.