A&M paying players for top recruiting class?
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It is odd that A&M suddenly has the top ranked class.
Sounds like aTm is copycatting something that UT was reported to be doing. More power to them.
So how is Ms. Excellence's endeavor to make PSU players entrepreneurial working out?
So how is Ms. Excellence's endeavor to make PSU players entrepreneurial working out?
I don’t see the big deal. Schools should be able to facilitate NIL deals and be able to pitch that as part of their offer. Tiptoeing around this isn’t going to work. All schools who can should be doing this to attract players. Make them sign contracts and protect your investment.
I read that paragraph to mean that OU is willing to cheat, too, but won't pay as much as A&M and they feel this is wrong. That 1st sentence says it all.
why would that be her responsibility? wouldnt that fall to CJF? He's got plenty of staff.
I agree, this is the world we live in. No need for contracts, they aint here, the NIL just goes away
But what about their grad rates as that is what matters....LOL. Basically you have a business investing in its future.
A&M: "We are in the ESS EEE CEE now and have learned the Alabama method."
Cheat? Totally legal. PSU should be doing the same. I people want to throw their money at a bunch of high school kids so be it.
Oh you can bet your bottom dollar lawyers / agents go wherever the money is. Lawyer up! It's the new business model.
It's only outrageous when you don't have the money to compete. By joining the SEC, OU needs to realize it's now pi$$ing in the tall weeds with the big dogs. It's either adapt or die. Texas has come around.
Because NLI extend beyond football and Franklin does so well with donors. Wait.....oh, nevermind.
It is a clear violation of the NCAA guidelines on NIL. The NCAA did create some guard rails to prevent NIL from being used to induce players to attend a particular school. Now that we have Saban, Dabo and Kiffin saying this has to be addressed, I expect there will be more specific regulations. Remember the NIL has to be for a player to provide some type of service based on their NIL value to the organization or business. How many players in high school actually have brand value like that, and what is the business value?
If this were to continue, then the logical end is for these teams to just be pros with the players not really having to be involved with the schools as students. they can just be entertainers like the NFL. then biggest bank account can purchase players. a school would have a kind of circus team to entertain the student and fans.
That’s what I was wondering. The payments are structured NIL contracts. What’s illegal about it?
Kirby and Jimbo learned well under SabanA&M: "We are in the ESS EEE CEE now and have learned the Alabama method."
Quite simply, you are worth whatever someone is willing to pay you. They’re not going backwards on this no matter what Dabo or Saban say.
Creating LLCs for specific players is certainly not the NCAA's intent but the NCAA opened the can of worms and didn't define it. It's the wild west.
The NCAA will lose if it wants to go the route of shutting down NIL based on valuation of player brand. The value is what the NIL deal says it is. Now the NIL being essentially a newly formed LLC for each player is suspect but if they specifically state that it is not permitted, they will just find another way around it. The NCAA will be plugging holes in outlawing methods until they are swamped with trying to figure out which new method of funneling money with NIL has popped up next. They will lose at whack a mole.
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how can anyone be surprised by what UT and TA&M are doing. This is what the NCAA has brought to the fans.
Watch JoePa's HOF speech and his warning about protecting college football from the negative elements. We are there.
Watch JoePa's HOF speech and his warning about protecting college football from the negative elements. We are there.
Obviously lawyers are involved to work the loopholes and this is aTm’s solution to the situation. Whether you realize it or not, once NIL money was permitted, college players became pros. The Genie is not going back into the bottle.
US Supreme Court has stated it is firmly pro player. Think it was Kavanaugh who stated he doesn't understand why coaches are paid millions while the players who provide the product aren't. The Southern states will tell the NCAA to go to hell if it tries to crack down on buying players.
Shannon and Skip on Undisputed just talked about how college football is now kind of like the NFL with no salary caps. They were talking about Caleb Williams being in the portal and said he was trying to get the best deal for himself he could get and how it's like the Wild, Wild West right now. It would not surprise me at all if Texas A&M is taking advantage of the situation to improve their recruiting.
This is now all legal.. I don't see the big issue. More power to them. Just the age we live in.
I believe NIL and the $ is the beginning of the end of college football as we know it. We are moving closer to a football minor league. Similar to baseball. The minor leagues will be aligned either with an NFL team or a region. The NFL will conduct a draft of high school athletes similar to baseball, with the choice for the draftee to go pro or play college football as an amateur. One upside to this setup is that there will be opportunities for more kids to play football beyond high school. College football will not be played at the same high level, but will continue to be popular with fans.
I read on another board that Texas A&M's average NIL deal with each 2022 recruit is $223,000 per year - that's just insane. It's estimated that their donors have spent around $25 million - so far - on their no.1 rated 2022 class which is now rated the greatest class in the 247 Composite history ------ all of this after an 8-4 season in 2021. They just picked up their 6th five star recruit a couple of days ago and several others are high 4-star just outside being a 5-star. Texas is also getting almost every kid they're going after and the number of 2023 and 2024 recruits that both Texas schools are in on is staggering. They have those oil wells cranked on full blast down there. Jimbo's response is that it's been going on for years - just not disguised as NIL
I have to believe we're starting to see the beginning of the end of CF as we knew it. The people backing the NIL probably didn't realize how ludicrous it would get. Just sad.
I have to believe we're starting to see the beginning of the end of CF as we knew it. The people backing the NIL probably didn't realize how ludicrous it would get. Just sad.
Everyone saw this coming but the NCAA, who was too stubborn or stupid and dug it's heels in on 'amateur athletics'. Sorry - when coaches and conferences are making millions upon millions of dollars, and when video games are putting players on the cover of it's packaging, it's not amateur athletics. The good news is there aren't that many schools with unlimited resources to pay players. If it's going to be about money, Texas and A&M should be dominant for years to come.
Yeah, I think we can all agree - no matter what fan base you are a part of - that the NCAA is run by imbeciles.
Does PSU have the ability to get its donors to pony up millions of dollars for a recruits? So far I can see 2 ways this all shakes out. One is that the MNC fades away and college football becomes a regionalized sport, or a tiered sport. Personally, I'll probably skip watchiing this year's championship because I'm tired of seeing Alabama in the game again. Two is that for the top 20 or 30 or 40 teams, they'll have football teams but get rid of the "student-athlete" vision and have a loose afiliation with the university.
No idea. I do like that NIL is *designed* for schools to be non-participants (or at least not involved in direct payments), but as we've seen with A&M and Texas, that's not stopping them from coordinating efforts from their big money donors. Penn State could probably do the same (as could a number of other schools), but it will take some effort. I'd establish a department/task force whose job it is to encourage donors/partners to consider providing NIL money in exchange for some promotion/endorsement by players. Not sure if legal, but maybe ask current sponsors (Nike, etc.) to add money as well (make a certain amount of the clothing/endorsement/sponsorship contracts available as payment to players).
From an *academic* standpoint, I'd create a 'major' or area of study that was called something like 'Pre-Professional Athletics' that would only be available to student athletes who may have a chance at being a pro some day. Have high level courses in current contract law, money management, agent identification, branding, social media, interacting with media, etc., but have the bulk of their 'education' simply be majoring in whatever sport they are playing. The amount of time these athletes put into preparing for the pros while in college should not be in addition to a rigorous academic program just for the sake of saying they are 'students'. I would certainly leave the option of regular majors available, but for some players it will be better for them to simply focus on what their career is going to be and for many that will be professional sports. If they pass on getting a business degree in lieu of 'football studies', well, that's on them.
Dunno. Just spitballing.
Jimbo isn’t exactly a commanding presence.
We r now in the era of legally paying players to commit. Sounds more like Pro or at least semi-pro
Wait I’ll the issues of workman’s comp & taxes come up!!!!!
That's a good question. PSU does okay, but not great when it comes to donations to the Athletic Department. It also seems to be stuck at the same level, more or less, for quite a number of years.
The dilemma with asking donors to pony up money for NIL is that it's potentially a two-edged sword. Most people have number in mind when it comes to giving, both to specific causes and overall. Thus, when a donor is approached to make a substantial NIL "contribution" that donor may commensurately reduce his contribution to the Athletic Department. Also, consider that a large chunk of the Athletic Department's total are NLC donations. There isn't much budge there.
What does it take for PSU to get out of this situation? Whatever it is, it's pretty obvious they ain't doin' it.
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