Pretty harsh stuff here but some good points made. I'm personally still in the "wait and see" camp.
Aaron Torres Shreds Stoops
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After 13 years you are still in wait and see mode. That’s sad my man. Cut bait now! Should’ve been let go last year.
Seriously, WHAT are you waiting (wanting) to see?
I can't see you, as the "just be happy, with what we got...."
Stoops shouldn't still be here that's just the bottom line!
The same problems that fans have complained about Stoops for YEARS are still a problem. Lack of discipline that results in penalties, poor clock management and situational football execution. Absolutely infuriating!!
Do you have $50mm?
If Kentucky Terminates Stoops Without Cause
- Buyout Amount: If Kentucky fires Stoops without cause, the university owes him a percentage of his remaining guaranteed compensation, calculated as follows:
- 100% of remaining salary if terminated before December 31, 2025.
- 80% of remaining salary if terminated between January 1, 2026, and December 31, 2027.
- 60% of remaining salary if terminated after December 31, 2027 [Web ID: 1, 4].
- Estimated Cost (2025):
- As of September 2025, Stoops’ contract runs through June 30, 2031, approximately 5.75 years remaining.
- Annual salary: $9 million (base + guaranteed pay).
- Total remaining compensation: $9 million × 5.75 years = ~$51.75 million.
- Buyout at 100% (before December 31, 2025): ~$51.75 million [Web ID: 1].
- After January 1, 2026, at 80%: ~$41.4 million ($51.75 million × 0.8)
it doesn't look good, but I'll give him till mid season. The way I look at it is there isn't going to be a changing of the guard in mid season anyway so why not wait and see what happens.
I've been of the belief that Stoops earned the right to show that last season was just a negative fluke, etc. Unfortunately, so far based on what I'm seeing, we're headed for another 4-8 season at best.
If you $top to think about it, there are plenty of rea$on$ why $toop$ will be back next $ea$on, and probably the one after that.... probably like $40M+ rea$on$.
Thank$ Mitch.....
If you $top to think about it, there are plenty of rea$on$ why $toop$ will be back next $ea$on, and probably the one after that.... probably like $40M+ rea$on$.
Thank$ Mitch.....
I can understand some of the issues we face. It’s not hard to know and see that we are never going to compete for real in the SEC. I can’t understand the ineptitude of play calling, decisions, timeout management, situational meltdowns, no communication, and looking like the team hasn’t practiced in week 2. It’s not acceptable. It’s easy to see it’s all between the ears for Mark, he just doesn’t have it. Never has had that part, never will. Descent coach, maybe a great coordinator, but just doesn’t have the intelligence needed to manage the game properly in all situations.
Stoops has never been a good coach. This is his first college head coaching job for a reason. He's probably a good coordinator? Head coach is one step too far.
But for UK he is perfect. Plays halfway competitive, wins enough games to go a minor bowl most years and stays off probation. UK could go make a splashy hire in football and just like UNC has shown with hiring Mack Brown and now with BB, it's still UNC football. It would be the same here.
One that will never be hired here is Gruden. Not that there was ever a chance anyway. But some seem to think it could happen. Wouldn't matter. he would not win here anymore than Stoops has.
But for UK he is perfect. Plays halfway competitive, wins enough games to go a minor bowl most years and stays off probation. UK could go make a splashy hire in football and just like UNC has shown with hiring Mack Brown and now with BB, it's still UNC football. It would be the same here.
One that will never be hired here is Gruden. Not that there was ever a chance anyway. But some seem to think it could happen. Wouldn't matter. he would not win here anymore than Stoops has.
That's Barhart's mess he created.
It's his to solve.
From what I have been told , the big money people were backing Stoops coming into this season So unless something changes , then no …MB does not have the money..
He gets this season to convince the fan base this year that going forward things will be better. So far, I would say no one is convinced. It is only week 2 though.
This is on Mitch. Not sure why fans are held hostage to Stoops contracts because Mitch is too scared to do another coaching search. He needs to get more heat for this contract.
The people on the wait and see side have to be related to Hellen Keller. There is literally no other explanation.
Bottom Line - we cannot afford to pay Stoops to leave. He will have to leave for another job....which WILL NOT happen.
Stuck with him for at least two more years. With our schedule getting harder every year, it will be more of the same until he leaves or is paid off to leave.
Stuck with him for at least two more years. With our schedule getting harder every year, it will be more of the same until he leaves or is paid off to leave.
He didn't make good points. He reiterated points that any of us with a lick of football common sense have seen & thus known for years about Stoops. And it's clear Stoops has zero self-awareness of his lack of ability to manage the clock in short-time situations. He just knows that he wants to grossly manage the clock by running the ball to keep the D off the field. That's it.
Looks like the big money people want to keep their money.
It's the same stuff fans have been complaining about from day one. When the other team has more talent you can't have a coach that is unable to manage a game or put a disciplined team on the field.
Yeah, I'm just not sure what people are waiting to see.
After 13 years, what exactly is on the horizon for CMS? This dude does not change. What great event is going to break in his favor? What corner is he going to turn?
After 13 years, what exactly is on the horizon for CMS? This dude does not change. What great event is going to break in his favor? What corner is he going to turn?
Bingo if we lose we lose. We compete against the best of the best every week and we are going to take lumps. But to look like we don't know what the hell is even going on most of the time is infuriating I'd rather have lost by 50 and play a clean game than whatever that BS was on some plays Saturday.
If they haven't seen yet they're never going to.
The 10 win season (the one wandale carried) and the other that our ("best defense of my lifetime" )carried bought stoops a lot of good will with the fan base.
However that good will has been running short and to see the level of disorganization and overall ineptitude mentally from the coaching staff against ole miss put it straight in the toilet for me at least.
If we can't do any better than that in our SEC opener in a big game that you know that Ole miss is chomping at the bit for in year 13 freaking 13!!!! It's never going to get better. Almost decade and a half stoops still makes the mistakes that first year HC stoops made. Either he has a learning disability or he's objectively crap at being a actual coach. But
I do know one thing we just gotta look at it. Bush hamdan assured me 800 separate times they were going to LOOK AT IT apparently the last film sessions didn't teach bush anything so what's the chances that this one magically makes him figure out wtf he's doing.
They aren’t as down on Stoops as most of us are .
I agree with all but one point. We've been a decent offense away from being a top five SEC team for several seasons. The ingredients are there, but aside from defense and occasionally ST (depends on the year whether they crap the bed or play great ball), I don't know that anyone in the kitchen knows how to cook.
Stoops has been able to put some great, talented teams together, but whether it's execution or discipline, they inevitably just... underperform. It's the single most annoying thing about the Stoops tenure. That said, I was happy to look the other way when we were bowling and breaking streaks.
Last year was unacceptable. Plain and simple. The year before was too. This one is trending poorly... Not to beat a dead horse or anything. It's just sad seeing how things have progressed.
Rather have lost by 50? This rivals your claiming a 10 win season is the same as a 6 win season for one of the dumbest posts of all time.
Was always a supporter of Stoops. But a separation should have been agreed to when he accepted the A&M job. There’s no coming back from that.
If it's 51+ million after this season, why does 36-37 million keep being tossed out in the national media as the buyout?
Using this info, after July 1, 2026…won’t it be $9 mil x 5 years = $45 mil x .8 buyout = $36 Mil? Negotiate to Agree to that amount after this year and pay over 6 years and get it done.
And if Mitch waits until Jan 1, 2028 I think it would be $18.9 Mil.
See my post above. If I read the info correctly from his prior post, I come up with $36 mil after this year. Technically on July 1, 2026.
I believe UK's fiscal year is April to April, so Jan 1, 2026 would be $47,250,000 x .8=$37,800,000, but that full amount is due within 60 days and that total doesn't include asst coach buyouts which would probably be in the $5mm+ range. After December 31, 2027 the number drops down to 60% of remaining salary, so $5.4mm per year of remaining through 2031.
NBC recently saved around $40M. Maybe we could get some endorsement money...
Im guessing that they have enough grounds to let him go without paying him according to the contract, but don't want it to get ugly, and are giving him a chance with this season. If it doesn't get turned around, I think he'll step down with a significantly smaller buyout than what his contract states. Jmo
And it's stuff that even the most patient people had hoped would be cleaned up FINALLY after a decade of the same. It's crazy to still be talking about discipline and clock management issues.
I think the season will be better than last year AND I think we could still get to a bowl game, but even I am not convinced things will ever get better after this year.
This was a poor OC hire, imo, and that's been a regular problem. He showed some good things against EMU, but I'm not sure those things will be there the next 4-6 games. We'll find out.
We still relax with leads. We still give up huge gains at times on 3rd and 4th down and long. We still aren't disciplined. We still can't manage the clock. We still waste timeouts. We still abandon the run to quickly and too often. We still shoot ourselves in the foot. Etc.
Unless we get to 8 wins, I don't know if it's enough to keep going this direction.
Do tell and I'm sure you now that on field performance does not qualify as for cause.