Aaron Torres Shreds Stoops
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It seemed necessary given your statement and you're welcome.
If that is accurate, then he's def here through the season and likely here 3 more years.
now (using above analysis): 9*5.75*100% = $51.75M
after this season (after 1 Jan 26): 9*5*80% = $36M
after 2 more seasons (after 31 Dec 27): 9*3*60% = $16.2M
check my math please.
What a ridiculous contact. Like many other AD’s Barny should demand he cut his salary 50% for NIL purposes and his record over the last 4 years.
And Stoops and his agent will tell Barny to Demand in one hand and poo in the other and see which gets full first.
That's how I have it too. There is some variability on when his contract start date is, so it might not be Jan 1 when the the buyout conditions drop. I forgot to take note of that, so it could be UK's fiscal year starting date or the contract may have a specific date like July 1st.
I don't totally agree. It looks bad now, but was arguably deserved at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you have to look back at the conditions that were in place when the action happened. Same thing happened with Cal. I would say, the only piece that should never have been agreed to is that the full amount has to be paid within 60 days. That was unprecedented because it doesn't allow for an offset clause which lowers the buyout when he starts working at another school.
Yeah I’m not a big “blame the contract and MB…” guy.
Folks forget that Cal and CMS got those contracts at peak euphoria when gigantic extensions and pay bumps were a status symbol/fad in college sports. Every program who wanted to be associated in a certain high social class of programs did it. Also, it was at a time when recruiting classes/rankings exploded as the currency in sports. Part of being able to peacock for talent was “look at this mega contract”
It signaled stability and confidence in coach and staff. Kids wanted assurances that the guy and system they were committing to would be around.
Can you all imagine MB not giving Cal every bump and extension he wanted, and Cal bounced to Cleveland or Lakers?!
Most of you all would have howled like kicked dogs.
Same for CMS. Had MB let him walk to whatever opportunities he allegedly had, post 10 wins. It’d have been riots.
Folks forget that Cal and CMS got those contracts at peak euphoria when gigantic extensions and pay bumps were a status symbol/fad in college sports. Every program who wanted to be associated in a certain high social class of programs did it. Also, it was at a time when recruiting classes/rankings exploded as the currency in sports. Part of being able to peacock for talent was “look at this mega contract”
It signaled stability and confidence in coach and staff. Kids wanted assurances that the guy and system they were committing to would be around.
Can you all imagine MB not giving Cal every bump and extension he wanted, and Cal bounced to Cleveland or Lakers?!
Most of you all would have howled like kicked dogs.
Same for CMS. Had MB let him walk to whatever opportunities he allegedly had, post 10 wins. It’d have been riots.
CMS had a contract that took him through 2028. There was zero reason to do an extension at the time. MB could have offered a raise - but instead, he got completely fleeced by Jimmy Sexton.
Would that have made sense to you if Bryant had decided to return to UK in the same situation?
Did you just compare Stoops to Bear Bryant?
He could have locked both of them up with top of the line salaries that didn’t impede the school from firing them 5 years later for poor results as well. This lifetime deal/pay 80-100% of his contract even 5-6 years later is insane.
Obviously not. Nice try though. He is stating that alone is reason enough not to accept him at this point, hence the question. That one issue in isolation would mirror the Bryant situation had he changed his mind. The poster did state he was all in for Stoops until the A&M flirtation which he can now no longer redeem himself for no matter what.
Were you honestly unable to understand this? You made a ridiculous leap in an attempt to insult me. Bryant may be the greatest coach ever. You had to know better.
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He could redeem himself if he wins some games. Going 4-8 right after you tried to leave isn't going to win hearts and minds
I don't understand why a coach with a multiple national championship brother couldn't ask for some guidance to help smooth out the wrinkles that sabotage this staff and players for UK football.!
One of those coaches isn't like the other. One had a NC and multiple final 4's at different schools, was a hot commodity, and the Barnhart contract was still asinine and one sided. The other coach having this sort one sided contract and a top 10 salary is absurd. Who exactly was beating down his door? This wreaks of a Barnhart good ole boy club.
That is one way to see it but 10 win FB seasons at UK are far more rare than Final Four's or even championships in BB. I'm not saying I loved everything about those contracts. Hindsight has made things look worse than what MB should have reasonably been able to foresee at the time though. I doubt either coach would have left if the contract offers were less generous but you can't be certain of it.
Isn't just a small portion of their salaries actually from the University? So wouldn't the donors and related businesses involved have a big influence on the actual numbers and details? MB can only offer what these people offer to support? If he low balls the negotiation and they walk do you risk losing support of boosters who had approved more and wanted to lock them down? I'm not claiming to know all the answers I'm just saying this may be a lot more complicated than some wish to consider.
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He is a long time successful Head Coach. He used to be a defensive coordinator. It is the side of the ball he knows best.