AJ may still be on team

patdog

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If they were, it would have been announced along with Brown and Wesley. The only 2 reasons not to announce it are: 1) a final decision has not been made or 2) they are suspended but still on the team and Croom doesn't want to make the suspensions public. My bet is the first reason.
 

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If the grand jury comes up with charges against them, you can bet that they'll be gone. If not, then Croom will let them stay.
 

Duane Chapman

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I suspect a decision has not been made as to their future with the team because they have not yet been charged. This leads to the conclusion that Croom has some reason to believe their actual involvement or conduct doesn't warrant dismissal, and the charges will correspond. However, unless no charges are brought, I'm afraid his hands will be tied with it now being up to a federal grand jury. And if memory serves, the grand jury isn't going to determine what further charges, if any, will be brought until July. Not sure how that will affect things...
 

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I may be wrong, but I believe that if charges are brought by a grand jury, they are out of school either way. If no charges are brought, then they can stay in school, and it's up to Croom what to do with them. If charges are brought, I don't think he has a choice.
 

Xenomorph

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...but if you're not going to kick a guy out of school before an indictment why kick him out after it? Does being indicted mean the guy's actions were worse than previously thought?
 

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A grand jury doesn't decide what charges are brought against people. It is the law enforcement agencies and the prosecutors.

What happens is the LEO works the case. Meets with the prosecuting office and presents his/her findings. They decide who they want to indict and present all the evidence to the grand jury. Often, in the federal system, people who are not violent or a flight risk are never arrested and "charged". Just indicted and then later, stand trial (or plea), and sentenced if found guilty. Ever heard the old saying a good prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich? It is true. Well, at least on the federal level. So, I hope AJ isn't on whomevers list to indict.

You mention a federal grand jury. Are the locals not handling the case?
 

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is presented with evidence by the prosecutor and determines if the evidence warrants bringing a person to trial.</p>
 

Xenomorph

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...or did it just sound cool in your mind when you typed it?
 

Agentdog

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Exactly. It is the prosecutor that will decide if two or more get indicted. Because, like I said, a good prosecutor could get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich.
 

OMlawdog

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If they are in school, I guarantee they are on the team.

At most they miss one game. They are too important to the 2009 team.
 

Duane Chapman

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Yeah they are. For some reason I was thinking firearm related offenses on campus were federal. That and federal usually comes to mind initially when I hear grand jury because they are generally higher profile and thus seem more common than state grand jury indictments. </p>
 

thatsbaseball

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but as these incidents keep piling up how is he handling these things differently than Sherrill or any other coach would ? He`s begining to look very ordinary in the "be good or be gone" department.
 

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Supposedly they withdrew from the University to avoid being expelled. If they avoid indictment then they will be able to re-enroll and possibly play.
 

Xenomorph

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...in reference to expected level of play on the field after Croom's second spring? I don't think it had anything to do with off the field issues.
 

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I just think so many people have gotten the many statements by Croom all confused. Its just easier at times to lump them all together and apply them to off the field discipline issues.
 

Duane Chapman

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instances where Sherrill's punishment of a player, or lack thereof, was unfair or inappropriate, and I don't necessarily think he would handle any of things things differently than Croom has. I know many disagree, but it appears to me that Croom has been nothing but fair in punishing players. Crimes or offenses involving dishonesty and moral turpitude get you the boot, while isolated incidents resulting from bad judgment or immaturity generally warrant a lesser punishment. I know, I know, what about Stallworth's counterfit charges and the "cop beating" by Pegues and Co.? Well, I truly believe Croom takes all the facts into consideration in determining the appropriate punishment, as most coaches would. Both of those incidents sound pretty bad on their faces, but all reports indicated that there was more to the stories and and a lack of any real criminal motive. Moreover, all charges in each case were either dropped or lessened to misdemeanors.

I think where Croom differs from many coaches and gets the "character" tag is in the extra emphasis he places on it both publicly and privately. Again, I believe he's sincere in doing so, but where he's messed up has been by writing checks with his mouth that his *** can't cash. Not in "be good or be gone" so much, but in claiming that he's recruiting character guys and that we haven't read about our players in the newspaper in X amount of time. He should have never publicly made those comments and I have to think he's realizing that, the hard way.
 
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