AKB: Airbnb customer support

jp3272

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My wife booked a June 2021 weekend rental in March 2021 through Airbnb. Paid in full upfront. Airbnb contacts her and the host a few days later stating the reservation would be cancelled citing a fraudulent listing and the need to protect Airbnb’a integrity.

A few weeks pass and we received a partial refund minus a few hundred dollars in cleaning fees though we never cancelled nor were able to stay at the rental.

We called and emailed customer support to get the full refund. All contacts get rerouted and after a few days eventually get closed out by bots or representatives unauthorized to issue refunds. We called our credit card company who are unable to assist. Lots of articles helping Airbnb hosts on their website but not for the renter.

We are still trying to work with Airbnb but no luck. Some representatives are sympathetic but unable to help. So frustrating trying to get our full refund.

Any suggestions? Thanks for reading.
 

91Joe95

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There's social media. Other than that you may have to call in the big guns.



Maybe the better business bureau or chamber of commerce has some resources or suggestions.
 

PrtLng Lion

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Wow, I'd be pretty frustrated too. 91Joe95's suggestion above ^^^ (BBB) would be good. I wonder if it's possible to take a large company like Airbnb to small claims court (?). Maybe an attorney on the board would know (although legal fees may well exceed what you're owed by Airbnb).
 

AvgUser

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My daughter fought with AirBnB for something similar (CY 2020 issue when COVID restrictions were causing mass cancellations of events).

They had her money. They have yours. She was screwed. I think you are too. ☹️
 

NewEra 2014

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I have never used Airbnb, but I have used VRBO on occasion. I have found them easy to work with, and we have always been able to receive a full refund whenever there has been a problem with a rental. Most recently, we had a renter try to jack up the price of our rental after we had both signed an agreement because they had "misstated the actual rental price". We were able to cancel with no problems, and we received a full refund in a matter of a couple of days.
 

TiogaLion

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When being "wronged" by a business and I do mean "wronged" and not just some simple/stupid disagreement, I use Twitter to get fast results. I'm pretty sure Airbnb, like most businesses, monitors social media and reacts very quickly when someone is "badmouthing" them about anything.

So, @jp3272 , if you don't have a Twitter account, create one. Start out with something like "@Airbnb allows scam postings and refuses to provide a full refund!" Next tweet should be something like "Don't trust any @Airbnb listing as they allow scams to steal your money and refuse refunds!"

That's all it will take. They'll quickly (within 10 -15 minutes) reply with a phone number and name asking you to call to resolve.

I've only used this method about 5 times but it worked well for each situation.
 
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TheBigUglies

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Hmmm, we had a trip planned pre-Covid and had to cancel a bunch of AirBnb and got out money back 100%. It seems like AirBnb may have changed things almost post-Covid. Getting ready to start planning the make up trip with AirBnb but this is making me think twice about AirBnb and just going Vrbo or hotel stays.
 
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ClarkstonMark

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My wife booked a June 2021 weekend rental in March 2021 through Airbnb. Paid in full upfront. Airbnb contacts her and the host a few days later stating the reservation would be cancelled citing a fraudulent listing and the need to protect Airbnb’a integrity.

A few weeks pass and we received a partial refund minus a few hundred dollars in cleaning fees though we never cancelled nor were able to stay at the rental.

We called and emailed customer support to get the full refund. All contacts get rerouted and after a few days eventually get closed out by bots or representatives unauthorized to issue refunds. We called our credit card company who are unable to assist. Lots of articles helping Airbnb hosts on their website but not for the renter.

We are still trying to work with Airbnb but no luck. Some representatives are sympathetic but unable to help. So frustrating trying to get our full refund.

Any suggestions? Thanks for reading.
I am interested in what cc you used, since they would not help you here.
 
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jp3272

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We will try the twitter route. I have a Chase Disney Rewards visa. This experience makes us consider getting an American Express.
 

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My wife booked a June 2021 weekend rental in March 2021 through Airbnb. Paid in full upfront. Airbnb contacts her and the host a few days later stating the reservation would be cancelled citing a fraudulent listing and the need to protect Airbnb’a integrity.

A few weeks pass and we received a partial refund minus a few hundred dollars in cleaning fees though we never cancelled nor were able to stay at the rental.

I only use AirBnB every year or two, and haven't done so since the pandemic started, so I'm hardly the most experienced in terms of dealing with them.

That said, a few things seem unusual about what you described. And since there have been a number of scams perpetuated involving AirBnB, I wanted to clarify a few things.

First, did your wife pay within the AirBnB app when registering? If she did, I'm not sure why there is any issue, as I believe that money is held by AirBnB until 24 hours after you check-in, when it is disbursed to the host. Conversely, if she paid the host directly (i.e., didn't use the AirBnB app), that's a problem, in that a lot of the scams involve direct payments, as AirBnB doesn't control the money.

Second, why did your wife pay the full amount upfront? I believe you can do that, but most people opt for the payment plan, in part so that they hold on to their money longer, and also to simply protect themselves.

Third, I'm quite concerned about AirBnB canceling the reservation for "fraudulent listing." I believe that's a policy they started in response to a number of articles that came out between 2015-2018 about AirBnB scams. From the small amount of info you described, it's tough to say if this was a scam or not. However, it does seem quite possible.

Anyway, IF you paid through the AirBnB app, and IF AirBnB canceled the reservation, then there really should be no issues with getting all of your money back. As it's been 11 months since the events you described took place, something seems really unusual about the situation.

Then again, if you search the web, there are all kinds of stories of problems with AirBnB.

 

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Second, why did your wife pay the full amount upfront? I believe you can do that, but most people opt for the payment plan, in part so that they hold on to their money longer, and also to simply protect themselves.
Yeah, I've never paid AirBnB up front. That seems strange.
 

jp3272

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Here's the update, I'll try to keep it brief. Yes, we booked direct through AirBnB. The host was "Turnkey Vacation Rentals" and full payment upfront was the only payment option. We learned the host is not an actual personal host but a vacation rental management company. It seems Turnkey VR's incentive is to book rentals for home owners at volume on various platforms: AirBnb, VRBO and their own website. Turnkey VR was recently acquired by a larger management company: Vacasa.

My wife got caught up with the pictures on the AirBnb's rental listing that she neglected to notice $400+ in excessive cleaning fees added to the rental upon booking. Of course I blew my cool when I saw the cleaning fees and why she didn't notice when she saw the final amount and why the need to pay all upfront when she booked. That's another story. We immediately checked with the host company asking to cancel, they were happy to and cited the cancellation policy of 50% refund so we said no thanks. We checked for any recourse through our credit card company and they noted the transaction cannot be cancelled but we can dispute the charges, as any transaction and the credit company will review and investigate. So, we asked for the transaction to be disputed and we kept our reservation.

Within a few days, we received the fraudulent listing message direct from AirBnb and the refund would be processed. We were relieved at the time and looked for our refund. Two weeks, then four weeks, then 3 months passed and no refund. We were contacting support via AirBnb app and phone throughout and after multiple attempts finally connected with an agent who saw the transaction dispute on file. She told us if we drop the dispute with our CC, the refund would be processed. To our surprise, almost immediately, the refund was processed, minus the $400+ cleaning fees.

For the last 5 months, we called and opened tickets once a week to process the refund for the cleaning fees for the rental that we never used. Most agents/analysts cited "oh this was a fraudulent listing (correct)" or "you have a dispute on file (it was dropped)" or "I am not authorized to issue refunds" or "I just tried to process the refund but it's not working on our end, our tech team is looking into it" or "I see we processed your refund (partially)" or "rental cancellation refunds do not include cleaning fees (we never used the rental, what's to clean)" . If we didn't respond and acknowledge through AirBnb app within a few hours (most often during off hours), the ticket would auto close and we would need to call and open a new ticket, again and again and again.

After using the advice from @TiogaLion we opened a Twitter account, signed on to follow a few accounts. After a week, we then sent messages to @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp (their dedicated public response handle) warning all to not use AirBnb because of posted fraudulent listings and another stating Airbnb steals money and won't issue refunds. The tweet was retweeted a few times but no response or action from Airbnb.

A few days later (which was last Wednesday), we sent a third tweet tagging @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp saying our reservation was cancelled by AirBnb, we never used the rental and we didn't receive a full refund. @Airbnbhelp reached out after 30 minutes asking for a DM to investigate further. Over Twitter DM, we provided the name, phone number and email that the account was registered to along with the reservation number. They responded within an hour over Airbnb app with all the current information summarized from the support tickets and apologized for the issues and delay. The next day they mentioned they were reviewing the refund status internally and would keep us posted. On Friday we received a message again thanking us for our patience and notified that the $400+ remaining refund would be returned to us within 5-15 business days. The refund was posted to our CC this morning.

Lessons learned and we are relieved. Thank you all.
 

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Here's the update, I'll try to keep it brief. Yes, we booked direct through AirBnB. The host was "Turnkey Vacation Rentals" and full payment upfront was the only payment option. We learned the host is not an actual personal host but a vacation rental management company. It seems Turnkey VR's incentive is to book rentals for home owners at volume on various platforms: AirBnb, VRBO and their own website. Turnkey VR was recently acquired by a larger management company: Vacasa.

My wife got caught up with the pictures on the AirBnb's rental listing that she neglected to notice $400+ in excessive cleaning fees added to the rental upon booking. Of course I blew my cool when I saw the cleaning fees and why she didn't notice when she saw the final amount and why the need to pay all upfront when she booked. That's another story. We immediately checked with the host company asking to cancel, they were happy to and cited the cancellation policy of 50% refund so we said no thanks. We checked for any recourse through our credit card company and they noted the transaction cannot be cancelled but we can dispute the charges, as any transaction and the credit company will review and investigate. So, we asked for the transaction to be disputed and we kept our reservation.

Within a few days, we received the fraudulent listing message direct from AirBnb and the refund would be processed. We were relieved at the time and looked for our refund. Two weeks, then four weeks, then 3 months passed and no refund. We were contacting support via AirBnb app and phone throughout and after multiple attempts finally connected with an agent who saw the transaction dispute on file. She told us if we drop the dispute with our CC, the refund would be processed. To our surprise, almost immediately, the refund was processed, minus the $400+ cleaning fees.

For the last 5 months, we called and opened tickets once a week to process the refund for the cleaning fees for the rental that we never used. Most agents/analysts cited "oh this was a fraudulent listing (correct)" or "you have a dispute on file (it was dropped)" or "I am not authorized to issue refunds" or "I just tried to process the refund but it's not working on our end, our tech team is looking into it" or "I see we processed your refund (partially)" or "rental cancellation refunds do not include cleaning fees (we never used the rental, what's to clean)" . If we didn't respond and acknowledge through AirBnb app within a few hours (most often during off hours), the ticket would auto close and we would need to call and open a new ticket, again and again and again.

After using the advice from @TiogaLion we opened a Twitter account, signed on to follow a few accounts. After a week, we then sent messages to @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp (their dedicated public response handle) warning all to not use AirBnb because of posted fraudulent listings and another stating Airbnb steals money and won't issue refunds. The tweet was retweeted a few times but no response or action from Airbnb.

A few days later (which was last Wednesday), we sent a third tweet tagging @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp saying our reservation was cancelled by AirBnb, we never used the rental and we didn't receive a full refund. @Airbnbhelp reached out after 30 minutes asking for a DM to investigate further. Over Twitter DM, we provided the name, phone number and email that the account was registered to along with the reservation number. They responded within an hour over Airbnb app with all the current information summarized from the support tickets and apologized for the issues and delay. The next day they mentioned they were reviewing the refund status internally and would keep us posted. On Friday we received a message again thanking us for our patience and notified that the $400+ remaining refund would be returned to us within 5-15 business days. The refund was posted to our CC this morning.

Lessons learned and we are relieved. Thank you all.

Glad it worked out for you. What a mess! Almost seems like someone at AirBnB pushed the wrong button in their system when you first requested a refund and it just went into some endless cyber loop.
 
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Nohow

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Wait. You paid cleaning fees for a fraudulent listing? How does that work?
 

jp3272

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Wait. You paid cleaning fees for a fraudulent listing? How does that work?
when the rental was initially secured, we prepaid for the rental and cleaning fees. This was before Airbnb indicated the listing was fraudulent.
 

91Joe95

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Here's the update, I'll try to keep it brief. Yes, we booked direct through AirBnB. The host was "Turnkey Vacation Rentals" and full payment upfront was the only payment option. We learned the host is not an actual personal host but a vacation rental management company. It seems Turnkey VR's incentive is to book rentals for home owners at volume on various platforms: AirBnb, VRBO and their own website. Turnkey VR was recently acquired by a larger management company: Vacasa.

My wife got caught up with the pictures on the AirBnb's rental listing that she neglected to notice $400+ in excessive cleaning fees added to the rental upon booking. Of course I blew my cool when I saw the cleaning fees and why she didn't notice when she saw the final amount and why the need to pay all upfront when she booked. That's another story. We immediately checked with the host company asking to cancel, they were happy to and cited the cancellation policy of 50% refund so we said no thanks. We checked for any recourse through our credit card company and they noted the transaction cannot be cancelled but we can dispute the charges, as any transaction and the credit company will review and investigate. So, we asked for the transaction to be disputed and we kept our reservation.

Within a few days, we received the fraudulent listing message direct from AirBnb and the refund would be processed. We were relieved at the time and looked for our refund. Two weeks, then four weeks, then 3 months passed and no refund. We were contacting support via AirBnb app and phone throughout and after multiple attempts finally connected with an agent who saw the transaction dispute on file. She told us if we drop the dispute with our CC, the refund would be processed. To our surprise, almost immediately, the refund was processed, minus the $400+ cleaning fees.

For the last 5 months, we called and opened tickets once a week to process the refund for the cleaning fees for the rental that we never used. Most agents/analysts cited "oh this was a fraudulent listing (correct)" or "you have a dispute on file (it was dropped)" or "I am not authorized to issue refunds" or "I just tried to process the refund but it's not working on our end, our tech team is looking into it" or "I see we processed your refund (partially)" or "rental cancellation refunds do not include cleaning fees (we never used the rental, what's to clean)" . If we didn't respond and acknowledge through AirBnb app within a few hours (most often during off hours), the ticket would auto close and we would need to call and open a new ticket, again and again and again.

After using the advice from @TiogaLion we opened a Twitter account, signed on to follow a few accounts. After a week, we then sent messages to @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp (their dedicated public response handle) warning all to not use AirBnb because of posted fraudulent listings and another stating Airbnb steals money and won't issue refunds. The tweet was retweeted a few times but no response or action from Airbnb.

A few days later (which was last Wednesday), we sent a third tweet tagging @Airbnb and @Airbnbhelp saying our reservation was cancelled by AirBnb, we never used the rental and we didn't receive a full refund. @Airbnbhelp reached out after 30 minutes asking for a DM to investigate further. Over Twitter DM, we provided the name, phone number and email that the account was registered to along with the reservation number. They responded within an hour over Airbnb app with all the current information summarized from the support tickets and apologized for the issues and delay. The next day they mentioned they were reviewing the refund status internally and would keep us posted. On Friday we received a message again thanking us for our patience and notified that the $400+ remaining refund would be returned to us within 5-15 business days. The refund was posted to our CC this morning.

Lessons learned and we are relieved. Thank you all.

I love it when posters provide updates. Glad it worked out!
 

TheBigUglies

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Thanks for this. We are using airbnb on an upcoming trip. I made sure the owners were actual people and not some conglomerate rental company. We tried to book one but forgot to look at the company but every card we used wouldn't validate. Emailed the owner, some guy with Russian sounding name replied. This was right around the time the major credit card shut down Russian business outside Russia. Just hypothesizing why cc would go thru when we used same CC for a diff booking the day before. Needless to say we now pay closer attention to the details of who we are booking with and the amount rating of reviews.
 

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FWIW, I've rented a property directly from Turnkey VR in the past and had a great experience with them. Perhaps the biggest surprise to me in this whole thing is that your attempt at a credit card chargeback didn't resolve the issue. I've only once ever asked for a chargeback and it was handled seamlessly and quickly. Basically the credit card staff told me that they notify the other party of the chargeback and that they have a limited window to respond... no action equals credit card chargeback and the issue is closed. Since you said that AirBnb asked you to drop the chargeback they likely pushed back on the credit card company and disputed things, which may have a longer process to resolve and your credit card customer support likely could have helped to clarify. I don't think I'd have dropped the chargeback at AirBnb's request in this scenario but I'm glad it worked out for you in the end.
 
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