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Nominate | ReportPosted: Today 5:59 PM</p>

Tommy Raffo 1, John Cohen 0</p>

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Just thought I would point that out.
Tommy Raffo for Head Coach!!</p>
 

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</div><span class="actionlinks">Nominate | Report</span> <p class="topicdate">Posted: Today 6:06 PM</p> <h4>RE: Hit by Pitch......Coincidence or Planned, Luck or Strategy.. </h4> _________________________________________________ <div class="messagebody"> Well, first of all, they are not standing in the batters box. They are standing on top of the plate. Secondly, the rule book says you have to make an effort to get out of the way of the pitch, and they are not doing it.

I've sent an e-mail to Greg Byrne calling for MSU to register a complaint with the SEC over Kentucky's tactics. </div>Tommy Raffo for Head Coach!!
 

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...who are idiots in the opposite extreme. Had we lost I have no doubt there would already be a post here about how this proved Raffo can't hold Cohen's jock strap.
 

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...that's already been proven, considering John is the head coach of a historically weak baseball program that won the SEC overall a couple of years ago and enjoyed a top 10 ranking this season, while Raffo is the HITTING coach for a below average SEC program who leads the conference in double plays and consistently struggles at the plate.

So, yeah a Kentucky game or series win would be like adding a couple of grains of sand to an overflowing sandbox.
 

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In baseball any team can win any individual game. That's why you play so many games, because over the long haul and good teams and coaches separate themselves. Regardless of what happens this weekend Cohen still has the far better resume.

As far as crowing over another one run victory, think about this for a second. When was the last SEC game we won by more than one run? It's been a while. We still aren't putting ourselves in position to win consistently with our offense. Our pitching hasn't been particularly poor, we aren't scoring runs. Who is the hitting coach again? Over the long haul of the past 7 years we haven't had a consistently good offense. We've had up and down offenses that would score 15 on Friday followed by 1 on Saturday and Sunday each. We've had flat out poor offenses in which we had to have some lights out pitching in order to win one-run games.
 

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Storm that the God's honest truth. Although you put it better than I could.</p>
 

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I just told you that one individual series in baseball, let alone one individual game is meaningless. You look at long term success. Cohen has head coaching experience, Raffo does not. Regardless of what Raffo does this weekend with Polk getting himself thrown out, Cohen has a better resume. If UK swept us or if we swept them it wouldn't change anything in that regard. If UK wins game one, I wouldn't be on here saying "see, told ya". That's stupid and anyone that does that is stupid. Those people were who Xeno was referring to and I just called them stupid. Apparently you have reading comprehension problems.
 

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.......there are probably enough KB21's in the MSU circle who actually believe this MSU-UK matchup is an actual telling of who's better........Raffo or Cohen. Raffo isn't even our head coach, even though I understand he had to take over for an ejected Polk today. So what.

Again, as I said the other day, a head coach's worth is about the entire body of his work......seasons, career record, etc. Cohen has proven himself, and if he loses this series it means nothing except that MSU players played better this weekend that Cohen's kids did.

This of course is all a moot point anyway isn't it? I've said from day one of Polk's resignation that Raffo would get the job, and I believe nothing changes that, even if MSU lost every game left on the schedule. Polk is basically GOD to many people at MSU, and he knows that and uses it to his advantage by squeezing his hands around the school's throat every chance he gets.

Congrats to Coach Raffo, and here's to another 30 years of mediocrity.</p>
 

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...because of Polk's arrogance and unreasonable behavior, knowledgeable MSU baseball fans are forced to pull against the team this weekend, and the rest of the year.

I'm not as cynical as you, yet. If it were LT, I'd agree 100%. I am hoping against hope that Byrne has some freaking stones.
 

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Stormrider81 said:
In baseball any team can win any individual game. That's why you play so many games, because over the long haul and good teams and coaches separate themselves. Regardless of what happens this weekend Cohen still has the far better resume.

That's absolutely correct, but the problem is that we have a LOT of ignorant fans who will take this series and make it the be-all end-all of discussion over who's better. Both extremes are absurd, the ones who will crow for Raffo and the ones who might crow for Cohen. Again, Cohen has ther BODY of work backing up his resume. Raffo has nothing. And, and it's still Polk vs. Cohen anyway. Raffo, after all, is still just our hitting coach.</p>
 

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.....which side anyone is one. This series doesn't prove one argument or another in that regard. Both of those guys are Bulldogs, and it's crazy that some people are turning them against each other and ourselves against each other over them.
For me it's about the FACTS, and the facts are that Cohen has a proven record at a perennially bad program while Raffo hasn't coached a day as a head coach on any level including pee-wee.

And yesm, I am cynical about the hiring process. I can't help it because of our past history, even though we do have a new AD taking over. Byrne needs to be the one who changes my mind.
 

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<span class="post-title">I just don't like this being "Raffo vs. Cohen" at all, no matter</span> which side anyone is one. This series doesn't prove one argument or another in that regard. Both of those guys are Bulldogs, and it's crazy that some people are turning them against each other and ourselves against each other over them.
And this is exactly why it was so completely destructive for Polk to do this publicly.
 

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are the people over there saying that we shouldn't hire Cohen because of his "bedside manner with players in the dugout."

I'm starting to realize one reason why we don't have a NC. We're more worried about our players feelings than winning the damn game.

Plus, there's no crying in baseball. (Sorry, it had to be said, and it's true.)
 

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Todd4State said:
are the people over there saying that we shouldn't hire Cohen because of his "bedside manner with players in the dugout."

Please tell me no one actually said that. That's way too weird for me to even begin to want to think about.</p>
 

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I guess all we need to do to find a coach is go down to OCH to find a nurse who can coddle our sensitive players and build their little self-esteems.

I bet these kind of posters put their kids in timeout and take out home equity loans to help finance their teenager's brand new BMW.
 

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ArrowDawg said:
Stormrider81 said:
In baseball any team can win any individual game. That's why you play so many games, because over the long haul and good teams and coaches separate themselves. Regardless of what happens this weekend Cohen still has the far better resume.

That's absolutely correct, but the problem is that we have a LOT of ignorant fans who will take this series and make it the be-all end-all of discussion over who's better. Both extremes are absurd, the ones who will crow for Raffo and the ones who might crow for Cohen. Again, Cohen has ther BODY of work backing up his resume. Raffo has nothing. And, and it's still Polk vs. Cohen anyway. Raffo, after all, is still just our hitting coach.</p>

</p>And a poor one at that. In a small ballpark we are still struggling to score runs. But yes, let's go ahead and promote someone who isn't even doing a good job in his current position. That makes a ton of sense.
 
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