Another annual sign that football season is upon us.
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It's better than JWS telling us how good we're going to be only to have the **** hit the fan aGAIN.
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MSU not having a dreadful offense was in 91, 94, and 2000.
Edit to say, not that those offenses were all that great either, those offenses were merely acceptable.
Edit to say, not that those offenses were all that great either, those offenses were merely acceptable.
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Is it even possible for Croom to mark the first practice as great? I have a feeling that no matter what he is going to go off on the first one because he wants them to understand where they are now isn't good enough. You kiss their *** after the first practice and it's all downhill from there.
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...the offense is a legitimate criticism of Croom. My problem is that some people on this board refuse to give the man any credit, whatsoever, even when it's warranted. They have been against him from day one, and nothing is going to change their mind. I have a hard time believing these people would be posting the same stuff if the coach was white.
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vocal person who doesn't let anything go no matter what, and then accuses Croom of being stubborn. I do think said poster would say the same things if Croom was white.
He hasn't overseen a top 100 offense in four years at the helm, yet people who criticize that are racist. Complete %#$+$%$ ********.
...I wasn't talking about you, and again, I don't think anybody that criticizes his offense is racist. I think that the posters who have consistently, from day one, made it known that they don't like the man, refuse to give him any credit when it's due, and constantly ***** about him are predisposed not to like him.
You don't think racism exists in Mississippi? You don't think that across a fanbase of largely Mississippi residents racism still affects people? You don't think it's possible that some portions of that are on this board?
I personally get sick of it. The man is great publicity for the university. He's obviously a good person. He's worked hard for everything he's gotten. It is vastly in our university's best interest that he succeeds and succeeds big. Yet some on this board have disliked him from day one, and seem to want him to fail.
You don't think racism exists in Mississippi? You don't think that across a fanbase of largely Mississippi residents racism still affects people? You don't think it's possible that some portions of that are on this board?
I personally get sick of it. The man is great publicity for the university. He's obviously a good person. He's worked hard for everything he's gotten. It is vastly in our university's best interest that he succeeds and succeeds big. Yet some on this board have disliked him from day one, and seem to want him to fail.
Yeah racism exists, but that doesn't mean you should go accusing people of being racists when you don't know what the *%$% you're talking about.
Maybe a few people don't like him because of his hypocritical "Be good or be gone" crap. Maybe people don't like his stubborness. Maybe people don't like the fact that he has shown disdain for the fans at times. But you disregard these possible explanations because it's easier to call someone racist.
You know what I personally get sick of? You trying to bait the same few posters into a pissing match in every **!*%*$ thread about our football team.
Maybe a few people don't like him because of his hypocritical "Be good or be gone" crap. Maybe people don't like his stubborness. Maybe people don't like the fact that he has shown disdain for the fans at times. But you disregard these possible explanations because it's easier to call someone racist.
You know what I personally get sick of? You trying to bait the same few posters into a pissing match in every **!*%*$ thread about our football team.
But it's not nearly like it once was. And the vast majority of MSU fans strongly supported Croom from Day One. I realize the one poster you're talking about now and I have no idea if you're right or wrong about his possible reasons for not liking Croom (or even if he really never liked him from the beginning or only after a couple of bad years). But I think throwing the race card out there without having something to back it up is a pretty ****** thing to do (again don't know if you have anything to back it up with that one poster or not).
I don't see any freaking evidence of racism when it comes to anyone's criticism of Croom on this board. Holy crap! The man kept his job after three years of losing without any evidence of improvement and you are pulling the race card. If the man were white he would be coach O and would have been fired after his third losing year. You suck if you think criticizing a person who hasn't really proven himself yet is racism. When is it ever NOT going to be racism? Will he have to literally kill people for anyone to criticize him without it being because of his race???
...if we're talking about the same person. He levels ridiculous criticism and pasty white Rick Stansbury. He is just intent on stirring **** up. I'm just saying there are a few. And it's just my opinion. I personally can't see why people don't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on things, when the same people worship the ground that Jackie walked on, who ruined our program and left us in an embarrassing state, and this comes from somebody who freaking loved Jackie in his hey day.
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I am curious, because I haven't seen them. I have seen the overly negative dickheads, but they say nothing about Croom that would lead me to believe it was because he was black. And those same guys are 10 times harder on Polk and were beyond relentless with Jackie.
Here's my problem with what you said. If you think racism drives some criticism of Coach Croom, then I think you are right. But, as I read the board, and develop opinions myself, I think racism driven criticism is in the vast, vast minority of the posts. You seem to lump folks wholesale that are unwilling to give him credit into the racist bucket. Sorry. That ain't the case.
I am tickled to death to have an African American coach. Not because I think it helps with recruiting, which I think is mostly ********. But, because I think it is an indictment upon NCAA football that we don't have more than 19.83% (had to throw that in there) AA head coaches in the NCAA. I am proud that MSU is doing their part to help correct that.
But, 3 losing seasons including games we should not have lost no matter how bad the condition of the program he took over and 1 winning season do not warrant my declaring him a winner and the coach for me for years to come. Sorry. It just doesn't. And I don't give a damn if he is black, white, brown, tan, purple, or what.
I am tickled to death to have an African American coach. Not because I think it helps with recruiting, which I think is mostly ********. But, because I think it is an indictment upon NCAA football that we don't have more than 19.83% (had to throw that in there) AA head coaches in the NCAA. I am proud that MSU is doing their part to help correct that.
But, 3 losing seasons including games we should not have lost no matter how bad the condition of the program he took over and 1 winning season do not warrant my declaring him a winner and the coach for me for years to come. Sorry. It just doesn't. And I don't give a damn if he is black, white, brown, tan, purple, or what.
...and that's fine. I am entitled to my opinion.
There are plenty of people who didn't like Croom from day one. They gloat and enjoy it when somebody gets arrested or when he lashes out at the fans. They take pleasure in State losing and hate to see us win because it means more Croom.
He showed disdain for the fans once, and then apologized a few days later. If you can't get past that 3 years later, I don't know what to say to you. To me, that's looking for a reason not to like a guy. "Well, he said this in 2006, so I'll use that to justify not liking him three years later."
Again, I have no problem with people fairly criticizing Croom. His offense has sucked so far. He should be criticized when he is so vocal about having good kids on the team and these kids get into trouble. He should've been criticized when he lashed out at the fans a few years ago. But the bottom line is that our university gambled on him, and we desperately need him to succeed. He is plainly a good guy, with good values, and he represents us well. When he screws up criticize him, but when he succeeds commend him. Be glad we succeeded, instead of being sour and bitter about it. And I'm not saying that's you.
There are plenty of people who didn't like Croom from day one. They gloat and enjoy it when somebody gets arrested or when he lashes out at the fans. They take pleasure in State losing and hate to see us win because it means more Croom.
He showed disdain for the fans once, and then apologized a few days later. If you can't get past that 3 years later, I don't know what to say to you. To me, that's looking for a reason not to like a guy. "Well, he said this in 2006, so I'll use that to justify not liking him three years later."
Again, I have no problem with people fairly criticizing Croom. His offense has sucked so far. He should be criticized when he is so vocal about having good kids on the team and these kids get into trouble. He should've been criticized when he lashed out at the fans a few years ago. But the bottom line is that our university gambled on him, and we desperately need him to succeed. He is plainly a good guy, with good values, and he represents us well. When he screws up criticize him, but when he succeeds commend him. Be glad we succeeded, instead of being sour and bitter about it. And I'm not saying that's you.
said three years ago, but about three years of horrible abysmal suckitude added onto three years of suckitude.
But, you aren't a racist for saying that.
Personally, I can think of several others in the SEC I would rather have, all else being equal -- all else mostly meaning salary.
Personally, I can think of several others in the SEC I would rather have, all else being equal -- all else mostly meaning salary.
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