Another PSU Fencing controversy

[Evan Ceg]

Penn State and head fencing coach Wes Glon are being sued by a recent fencing grad who claims Glon emotionally abused her and that Penn State failed to act on her complaints.

I honestly don't know where the line is drawn between tough love coaching and emotional abuse, but that line certainly keeps moving. Is this a snowflake student-athlete or a coach with a misogyny problem?

Glon's coaching record testifies to his expertise in coaching the sport, but, as the article notes, this is the second time he's been implicated in a female's accusation of abuse. Last summer Glon was banned by the U.S. Center for Safe Sport for three years for his handling of his assistant coach's alleged transgressions against a female coach (non-PSU) on a plane returning from a west coast meet. Penn State suspended Glon from his coaching duties when SafeSport did, and then reinstated him in November when Glon successfully appealed to get SafeSport to lift its ban.

Wes Glon must be in his sixties, so if Penn State ends up settling with Zara Moss, it wouldn't surprise me if Glon's retirement is part of that deal. It might be time for a whole new Fencing coaching staff.

 

[Midnighter]

Penn State and head fencing coach Wes Glon are being sued by a recent fencing grad who claims Glon emotionally abused her and that Penn State failed to act on her complaints.

I honestly don't know where the line is drawn between tough love coaching and emotional abuse, but that line certainly keeps moving. Is this a snowflake student-athlete or a coach with a misogyny problem?

Glon's coaching record testifies to his expertise in coaching the sport, but, as the article notes, this is the second time he's been implicated in a female's accusation of abuse. Last summer Glon was banned by the U.S. Center for Safe Sport for three years for his handling of his assistant coach's alleged transgressions against a female coach (non-PSU) on a plane returning from an west coast meet. Penn State suspended Glon from his coaching duties when SafeSport did, and then reinstated him in November when Glon successfully appealed to get SafeSport to lift its ban.

Wes Glon must be in his sixties, so if Penn State ends up settling with Zara Moss, it wouldn't surprise me if Glon's retirement is part of that deal. It might be time for a whole new Fencing coaching staff.

I saw this. Prior smoke has me thinking keeping him around is a juice not worth the sqeeze (as is fencing for the most part unfortunately). Probably should part ways at this point....

 

[BobPSU92]

My, how times have changed. The U.S. Center for Safe Sport. There was a time when student-athletes expected their coaches to verbally abuse them and thoroughly kick the sh|t out of them. It was part of growth and development, and above all, winning. Now we’re soft and a bunch of SNOWFLAKES. .

 

[91Joe95]

Penn State and head fencing coach Wes Glon are being sued by a recent fencing grad who claims Glon emotionally abused her and that Penn State failed to act on her complaints.

I honestly don't know where the line is drawn between tough love coaching and emotional abuse, but that line certainly keeps moving. Is this a snowflake student-athlete or a coach with a misogyny problem?

Glon's coaching record testifies to his expertise in coaching the sport, but, as the article notes, this is the second time he's been implicated in a female's accusation of abuse. Last summer Glon was banned by the U.S. Center for Safe Sport for three years for his handling of his assistant coach's alleged transgressions against a female coach (non-PSU) on a plane returning from an west coast meet. Penn State suspended Glon from his coaching duties when SafeSport did, and then reinstated him in November when Glon successfully appealed to get SafeSport to lift its ban.

Wes Glon must be in his sixties, so if Penn State ends up settling with Zara Moss, it wouldn't surprise me if Glon's retirement is part of that deal. It might be time for a whole new Fencing coaching staff.

Yeah, it's a snowflake problem. The youth aren't the problem.

 

[marshall23]

Why have a fencing team?

 

[ApexLion]

Penn State and head fencing coach Wes Glon are being sued by a recent fencing grad who claims Glon emotionally abused her and that Penn State failed to act on her complaints.

I honestly don't know where the line is drawn between tough love coaching and emotional abuse, but that line certainly keeps moving. Is this a snowflake student-athlete or a coach with a misogyny problem?

Glon's coaching record testifies to his expertise in coaching the sport, but, as the article notes, this is the second time he's been implicated in a female's accusation of abuse. Last summer Glon was banned by the U.S. Center for Safe Sport for three years for his handling of his assistant coach's alleged transgressions against a female coach (non-PSU) on a plane returning from a west coast meet. Penn State suspended Glon from his coaching duties when SafeSport did, and then reinstated him in November when Glon successfully appealed to get SafeSport to lift its ban.

Wes Glon must be in his sixties, so if Penn State ends up settling with Zara Moss, it wouldn't surprise me if Glon's retirement is part of that deal. It might be time for a whole new Fencing coaching staff.

I thought this was going to be vinyl vs. wood composite.

 

[Nittany1865Farmer]

Wes Glon has to be mid-sixties at least because I had him in fencing for several course during my time at PSU and that was mid 1980's. He was a heck of a saber coach with the credentials to back it up. Could maybe be how he was trained in his development? Not making excuses for the guy, but I can imagine that European coaches can be pretty rough teaching their students too in years past.

 

[fairgambit]

There was a time when Penn State's athletic teams were thought to be purer than Caesar's wife. Hundreds of student athletes, giving their all for the glory of Dear Old State. Was it ever so, or was it all just a mirage? Nationally our reputation is in tatters. I want to believe that Camelot once existed in the shadow of Mt. Nittany but I have my doubts. More likely Penn State was, and is, pretty much like all the other big time schools. It has athletes, and coaches, both virtuous and villainous. WE ARE just like everyone else. So be it.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

My, how times have changed. The U.S. Center for Safe Sport. There was a time when student-athletes expected their coaches to verbally abuse them and thoroughly kick the sh|t out of them. It was part of growth and development, and above all, winning. Now we’re soft and a bunch of SNOWFLAKES. .

Hey…. Knock it off or I will stick this sword up your a$$!

 

[manatree]

My, how times have changed. The U.S. Center for Safe Sport. There was a time when student-athletes expected their coaches to verbally abuse them and thoroughly kick the sh|t out of them. It was part of growth and development, and above all, winning. Now we’re soft and a bunch of SNOWFLAKES. .

Here's the thing, times have always been changing. A crucial part of a coach's job is to adjust and adapt to the changes, It doesn't matter if it is changes to the rules of the game or the rules of managing players. If a coach can not or will not adapt they should not be coaching. I'm sure that at one time there were football coaches that did not like the forward pass.

 

[Nittany1865Farmer]

Here's the thing, times have always been changing. A crucial part of a coach's job is to adjust and adapt to the changes, It doesn't matter if it is changes to the rules of the game or the rules of managing players. If a coach can not or will not adapt they should not be coaching. I'm sure that at one time there were football coaches that did not like the forward pass.

and Sandy Barbour would try to hire that coach at 10 million a year if she could....

 

[yeahtoasty]

Are we still teaching Capoferro? I find that Thibault cancels out Capoferro -- unless your opponent has studied his Agrippa.

 

[BobPSU92]

Here's the thing, times have always been changing. A crucial part of a coach's job is to adjust and adapt to the changes, It doesn't matter if it is changes to the rules of the game or the rules of managing players. If a coach can not or will not adapt they should not be coaching. I'm sure that at one time there were football coaches that did not like the forward pass.

“The more things change, the more they suck.”

— Butthead

 

[PSUJam]

Why have a fencing team?

Correct. Facebook Marketplace works just fine to move goods.

 

[NittPicker]

There was a time when Penn State's athletic teams were thought to be purer than Caesar's wife. Hundreds of student athletes, giving their all for the glory of Dear Old State. Was it ever so, or was it all just a mirage? Nationally our reputation is in tatters. I want to believe that Camelot once existed in the shadow of Mt. Nittany but I have my doubts. More likely Penn State was, and is, pretty much like all the other big time schools. It has athletes, and coaches, both virtuous and villainous. WE ARE just like everyone else. So be it.

The thing is, very few people at Penn State thought that way. Joe set the philosophy of doing things in a way so as to not make a joke of the university's mission. I think he'd be the first person to say nothing was perfect which was why one of his favorite quotes was "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for??" The whole "Caesar's wife" thing was a media creation. If things didn't go according to the illusion they themselves created, they'd be to first ones to point fingers and heap ridicule.

 

[fairgambit]

The thing is, very few people at Penn State thought that way. Joe set the philosophy of doing things in a way so as to not make a joke of the university's mission. I think he'd be the first person to say nothing was perfect which was why one of his favorite quotes was "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for??" The whole "Caesar's wife" thing was a media creation. If things didn't go according to the illusion they themselves created, they'd be to first ones to point fingers and heap ridicule.

I will respectfully disagree with your first sentence. Among my many Penn State friends and the dozen or so season ticket holders that I knew, virtually everyone thought that way, including me. We advanced that thinking at every opportunity, especially when at social functions with alums of other schools. It was often a topic of conversation at Penn State alumni events that I attended. Quite frankly we thought we were better than everyone else. The remnants of that thinking still exist today and I see it often on this board. It is not just boasting about Penn State, but taking shots at other $chools, thereby implying that we are above suspicion. Of course, the counter to that also exists. On the Iowa wrestling board, which I visited during the BigTen and NCAA championships, I saw comments that we have the be$t team money can buy. Perhaps I was a slow learner, but it took me 40 years to realize that all schools are pretty much the same. Sure, some are worse, some a bit better, but most are right where we are and I'm OK with that.

 

[marshall23]

I will respectfully disagree with your first sentence. Among my many Penn State friends and the dozen or so season ticket holders that I knew, virtually everyone thought that way, including me. We advanced that thinking at every opportunity, especially when at social functions with alums of other schools. It was often a topic of conversation at Penn State alumni events that I attended. Quite frankly we thought we were better than everyone else. The remnants of that thinking still exist today and I see it often on this board. It is not just boasting about Penn State, but taking shots at other $chools, thereby implying that we are above suspicion. Of course, the counter to that also exists. On the Iowa wrestling board, which I visited during the BigTen and NCAA championships, I saw comments that we have the be$t team money can buy. Perhaps I was a slow learner, but it took me 40 years to realize that all schools are pretty much the same. Sure, some are worse, some a bit better, but most are right where we are and I'm OK with that.

I won't disagree on "schools," but I do think Joe ran a program that was much cleaner than most. When the OGBOT fired him and brought in the Freeh inquisitors, they tried everything short of electric shock on testicles and pulling out finger nails to get someone to reveal NCAA violations.....If I remember correctly didn't Paul Suhey hint that there would be revelations about wrong doing in the program.......and they found NOTHING.

 

[marshall23]

Correct. Facebook Marketplace works just fine to move goods.

I see what you did there!

 

[barry j fenchak]

I will respectfully disagree with your first sentence. Among my many Penn State friends and the dozen or so season ticket holders that I knew, virtually everyone thought that way, including me. We advanced that thinking at every opportunity, especially when at social functions with alums of other schools. It was often a topic of conversation at Penn State alumni events that I attended. Quite frankly we thought we were better than everyone else. The remnants of that thinking still exist today and I see it often on this board. It is not just boasting about Penn State, but taking shots at other $chools, thereby implying that we are above suspicion. Of course, the counter to that also exists. On the Iowa wrestling board, which I visited during the BigTen and NCAA championships, I saw comments that we have the be$t team money can buy. Perhaps I was a slow learner, but it took me 40 years to realize that all schools are pretty much the same. Sure, some are worse, some a bit better, but most are right where we are and I'm OK with that.

Sounds like you have a much better grip on reality now. Good for you.

One point of your post - "Quite frankly we thought we were better than everyone else". This mindset is the very reason that the program continues to be under a great deal of scrutiny. Fans on here complaining about issues with other programs not receiving the same attention still don't realize why that is the case. Well, if you prop yourself up as being above everyone else you are going to receive the lion's share of bad press if something goes wrong. And something went wrong in a big way.

Now, the ability to make such idiotic boasts has been eliminated. A great number of fans are pissed off because of that.