Antwane and the value of playing for a winner

18IsTheMan

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He left for Ole Miss, presumably because he wanted to play for a winning team. However, he's really not been a part of the process there. Ole Miss fans, for their part, are over him on Twitter, with words like "fraud" and "overrated" being thrown around and being described as a good player with a terrible attitude. I didn't see, but I guess he had a key drop against LSU on Saturday.

It makes me wonder, though, how some guys are wired. Wells knew if he stayed here, he'd have been WR1. Yes, our QB situation was very much up in the air, but he could have been a veteran leader on the team, helped a young QB break in by giving him a reliable option at WR and actually made an impact. Instead, he's at Ole Miss who is 4-2 (compared to our 3-3) and will probably end up on the outside looking in when the playoffs come round (unless they knock off UGA and have some other luck along the way). Is Ole Miss gonna end up with a better record than us? Yeah. They will probably end up a very solid 10-3 or something like that (which is far short of what they were projected). But Wells will not have been a serious factor in it. He will not have made on impact on their final record.

On top of that, his draft stock is dropping precipitously. He's only the 3rd leading receiver on his team and looks thoroughly outclassed compared to their #1 guy.

It makes me wonder what's it's all worth. If he stayed here, he finishes with a worse record, but he'd have been the centerpiece of our offense and likely keeps his draft stock up. And, with a true #1 WR, perhaps we pull off either the LSU or Bama upsets, or both.

So, at the end of this year, he's gonna get to say he played for a more highly ranked team, but that's all he can say.

Or, maybe he just really wasn't as good as we thought he was, and had his numbers inflated by a couple big games.
 

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He left for Ole Miss, presumably because he wanted to play for a winning team. However, he's really not been a part of the process there. Ole Miss fans, for their part, are over him on Twitter, with words like "fraud" and "overrated" being thrown around and being described as a good player with a terrible attitude. I didn't see, but I guess he had a key drop against LSU on Saturday.

It makes me wonder, though, how some guys are wired. Wells knew if he stayed here, he'd have been WR1. Yes, our QB situation was very much up in the air, but he could have been a veteran leader on the team, helped a young QB break in by giving him a reliable option at WR and actually made an impact. Instead, he's at Ole Miss who is 4-2 (compared to our 3-3) and will probably end up on the outside looking in when the playoffs come round (unless they knock off UGA and have some other luck along the way). Is Ole Miss gonna end up with a better record than us? Yeah. They will probably end up a very solid 10-3 or something like that (which is far short of what they were projected). But Wells will not have been a serious factor in it. He will not have made on impact on their final record.

On top of that, his draft stock is dropping precipitously. He's only the 3rd leading receiver on his team and looks thoroughly outclassed compared to their #1 guy.

It makes me wonder what's it's all worth. If he stayed here, he finishes with a worse record, but he'd have been the centerpiece of our offense and likely keeps his draft stock up. And, with a true #1 WR, perhaps we pull off either the LSU or Bama upsets, or both.

So, at the end of this year, he's gonna get to say he played for a more highly ranked team, but that's all he can say.

Or, maybe he just really wasn't as good as we thought he was, and had his numbers inflated by a couple big games.

I think it goes to draft position. Would his draft position have been higher if he stayed? I think it's easy to see the logic behind wanting to be in a prolific offense vs with a struggling qb.
 

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I think it goes to draft position. Would his draft position have been higher if he stayed? I think it's easy to see the logic behind wanting to be in a prolific offense vs with a struggling qb.
Presumably, but his draft stock is tanking right now. He's a distant 3rd on his own team.

He said he went there because he thought they were the best team (they arent') and presumably to have a better get him the ball more (but he hasn't been reliable enough to catch it). He's currently 97th in receiving yards and 261st in receptions.

Through 6 games, he's pretty much been a bust for Ole Miss.
 

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Presumably, but his draft stock is tanking right now. He's a distant 3rd on his own team.

He said he went there because he thought they were the best team (they arent') and presumably to have a better get him the ball more (but he hasn't been reliable enough to catch it). He's currently 97th in receiving yards and 261st in receptions.

Through 6 games, he's pretty much been a bust for Ole Miss.
I would say in hindsight he made a bad move as he would have been the star receiver here.
However, I do like how Bennett is playing as a freshman and will be an excellent replacement.
 
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I would say in hindsight he made a bad move as he would have been the star receiver here.
However, I do like how Bennett is playing as a freshman and will be an excellent replacement.

Nick Saban spoke on Gameday a couple weeks or so ago about the cautionary tales from the portal transfers and that nobody ever brings those up because everyone wants to think of the portal as the cure-all. Wells is now one of those cautionary tales.
 
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He wasn’t even as good as Legette. Juice Wells is a footnote, and nothing more.

Wells COULD have had a Legette type of year this year. Legette's situation was helped because, on top of being a very good WR, Rattler really didn't have any other options to spread the ball around. As a result, he turned into a 1st round pick. That could have been Wells this year. His #s wouldn't have been as good since Legette had a future NFL starter dishing him the ball, but he certainly would have far better numbers than he has at Ole Miss.

But, yes, you are right. Wells will be a footnote. At all 3 colleges he went to.
 
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Nick Saban spoke on Gameday a couple weeks or so ago about the cautionary tales from the portal transfers and that nobody ever brings those up because everyone wants to think of the portal as the cure-all. Wells is now one of those cautionary tales.
It's all about the $$$$$.
They can make a reasonable person become blind!:devilish:
Not that Wells was a reasonable person.:rolleyes:
 
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Presumably, but his draft stock is tanking right now. He's a distant 3rd on his own team.

He said he went there because he thought they were the best team (they arent') and presumably to have a better get him the ball more (but he hasn't been reliable enough to catch it). He's currently 97th in receiving yards and 261st in receptions.

Through 6 games, he's pretty much been a bust for Ole Miss.

Agreed. This is all in hindsight though. My comment was about the mindset before the season started.

It hasn't worked out at all like he planned, but I could see what he was thinking.
 
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Agreed. This is all in hindsight though. My comment was about the mindset before the season started.

It hasn't worked out at all like he planned, but I could see what he was thinking.

I can see it. Last year, Ole Miss had 3 receivers with 55, 54 and 53 receptions for 985, 830 and 741 yards. He probably saw a similar thing this year. But it's been the Tre Harris show and that's all.

He probably just isn't as good as anyone thought.
 
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He left for Ole Miss, presumably because he wanted to play for a winning team. However, he's really not been a part of the process there. Ole Miss fans, for their part, are over him on Twitter, with words like "fraud" and "overrated" being thrown around and being described as a good player with a terrible attitude. I didn't see, but I guess he had a key drop against LSU on Saturday.

It makes me wonder, though, how some guys are wired. Wells knew if he stayed here, he'd have been WR1. Yes, our QB situation was very much up in the air, but he could have been a veteran leader on the team, helped a young QB break in by giving him a reliable option at WR and actually made an impact. Instead, he's at Ole Miss who is 4-2 (compared to our 3-3) and will probably end up on the outside looking in when the playoffs come round (unless they knock off UGA and have some other luck along the way). Is Ole Miss gonna end up with a better record than us? Yeah. They will probably end up a very solid 10-3 or something like that (which is far short of what they were projected). But Wells will not have been a serious factor in it. He will not have made on impact on their final record.

On top of that, his draft stock is dropping precipitously. He's only the 3rd leading receiver on his team and looks thoroughly outclassed compared to their #1 guy.

It makes me wonder what's it's all worth. If he stayed here, he finishes with a worse record, but he'd have been the centerpiece of our offense and likely keeps his draft stock up. And, with a true #1 WR, perhaps we pull off either the LSU or Bama upsets, or both.

So, at the end of this year, he's gonna get to say he played for a more highly ranked team, but that's all he can say.

Or, maybe he just really wasn't as good as we thought he was, and had his numbers inflated by a couple big games.
Very similar to my question about South Carolina and whether or not it would be better to leave the SEC....
 
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A lot of "Woulda", "Coulda", "Shoulda" in this discussion. If Wells still is the #1 Receiver here does he really have any more receptions or yards than Bennett. I doubt that there would be much difference given that we have a QB that is learning. The guy is gone. We have to accept it as a fanbase. He has to live with it as a player.
 

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A lot of "Woulda", "Coulda", "Shoulda" in this discussion. If Legette still is the #1 Receiver here does he really have any more receptions or yards than Bennett. I doubt that there would be much difference given that we have a QB that is learning. The guy is gone. We have to accept it as a fanbase. He has to live with it as a player.
Right. That's not really what the OP was about, though.
 

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Right. That's not really what the OP was about, though.
Sometimes, I am not sure what you are talking about. You talk a lot. However, I surmise that you are implying that Wells made a mistake in leaving. Of course, I would like for to him to have stayed. However, how is it helping him if he has 14 Receptions for approximately 200 yards like our top receiver does. How does it help him if you have an Offensive Coordinator that finally figures out in Game 6 that a fade to a 6'5" Receiver just might work. At this point, what I am saying is does it really matter either way given how Juice's season has been personally and how our season has gone as an offense. It's "Meh" all the way around IMO.
 
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Sometimes, I am not sure what you are talking about. You talk a lot. However, I surmise that you are implying that Wells made a mistake in leaving. Of course, I would like for to him to have stayed. However, how is it helping him if has 14 Receptions for approximately 200 yards like our top receiver does. How does it help him if you have an Offensive Coordinator that finally figures out in Game 6 that a fade to a 6'5" Receiver just might work. At this point, what I am saying is does it really matter either way given how Juice's season has been personally and how our season has gone as an offense. It's "Meh" all the way around IMO.

It's not surprising as you've consistently demonstrated that you struggle with reading comprehension.

I implied nothing about a mistake in the OP. It was a discussion of priorities.
 

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It's not surprising as you've consistently demonstrated that you struggle with reading comprehension.

I implied nothing about a mistake in the OP. It was a discussion of priorities.
No, I don't struggle with reading comprehension. I struggle with a toddler that talks all the time hanging on every move of 18-24 year olds. Had to add a couple years because some guys don't want to leave college given the NIL landscape.
 

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It's all about the $$$$$.
They can make a reasonable person become blind!:devilish:
Not that Wells was a reasonable person.:rolleyes:
His was supposedly not NIL related. Not sure I buy it.

But he’s just one of many examples that go to show the grass is not always greener.
 

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Oh, he would have gotten more catches had he stayed here for sure. Too bad for him but I don’t miss him.
 

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uhhh, lol, not at all.
It was a discussion of priorities, just like my post regarding playing in the SEC or a smaller conference.

Does he want to be WR1 on a .500 team or contribute on a higher ranked team? Does USC want to be a potential conference champion or just be a part of the best conference?

Is money more important than success/winning? Wells got paid by Ole Miss, USC gets paid by SEC.

Does being a "big fish in a smaller pond" create a better opportunity for future success than vice versa.

Not exactly the same conversation, but a similar discussion of priorities.
 
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