"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

[Duane Chapman]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

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[RonnyAtmosphere]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

..with the Cohen hire, the bar has been raised suddenly. Finishing .500 in SEC play is, under Cohen, not success (like it was under Polk).

And I think John Cohen would be the first to admit that not winning it all from now on can be considered a dismal failure.

I am now more excited about MSU baseball than I have been in years. Many years.

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

I think Cohen is a good coach. I think he can get MSU to Omaha. I think he will make MSU competitive and be in the mix to hosting regionals and supers year in and year out. For a school thats never won a national title in baseball to call anything but winning it all a dismal failure, thats just over the top.

Cohen isn't God. Is he better than Perno, Tanner, Mainieri, Bianco, Van Horn, or Corbin? I don't know. He might be, but he hasn't done anything to show that he is better than those guys. Hes going to make you a good competitive team. He isn't going to turn you into a dominate super power of college baseball. The SEC is too tough. The NCAA is too tough. This isn't the 80's. To say its a failure unless you win the national title is just plain dumb.

 

[maroonmania]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

and, to be frank, it really hasn't been for a long time now. I believe our former coach and staff have been resting on their laurels for quite some time and having a "nice" program has been plenty satisfactory. I don't think that will be the case now. Our aim will get a little loftier.

 

[Todd4State]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

I think Cohen is a good coach. I think he can get MSU to Omaha. I think he will make MSU competitive and be in the mix to hosting regionals and supers year in and year out. For a school thats never won a national title in baseball to call anything but winning it all a dismal failure, thats just over the top.

Cohen isn't God. Is he better than Perno, Tanner, Mainieri, Bianco, Van Horn, or Corbin? I don't know. He might be, but he hasn't done anything to show that he is better than those guys. Hes going to make you a good competitive team. He isn't going to turn you into a dominate super power of college baseball. The SEC is too tough. The NCAA is too tough. This isn't the 80's. To say its a failure unless you win the national title is just plain dumb.

</p>Tuberville saying he would win a NC at Ole Miss?

I don't think it's over the top- we were in Omaha last year and have averaged one CWS appearance every five years since Polk I, I believe. Winning a NC is the next logical step for us to really shoot for. There is nothing wrong with not settling for mediocrity.

Oh, and by the way, what you said was realistic for us is not acceptable for our fans in baseball. I don't know if he's better than those guys you mentioned, but I do know that he did as well as many of them at the toughest place to win in the SEC. That counts for something.

 

[Stormrider81]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

I seriously doubt that Cohen or anyone else would consider getting to Omaha and losing a dismal failure. However, I do believe that Cohen would believe that failing to win it all once at the CWS would be falling short of his goal and he wouldn't sit back and just be happy with a 1-2 record in Omaha. Getting to Omaha shouldn't be good enough for a coach at MSU in terms of his perspective. We obviously wouldn't and shouldn't fire or run off a coach would got to Omaha and lost, that would be ridiculous, but I can see Cohen coming back after a 0-2 or 1-2 record and putting immediate emphasis on not letting that happen again. We haven't won a national title and probably won't, but that doesn't mean the coach shouldn't set his sights on it. Failing to reach the goal does not = dismal failure though.</p>

 

[Duane Chapman]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

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[eckie1]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

....the man has done more with less than anybody in the conference since he's been here. That much is undeniable. Every coach that you just mentioned (besides Corbin) took over a program that has at least some baseball history (with the least being umiss, but they have been to Omaha a few times many years ago). KY had never won an SEC title before in their 100+ year history and Cohen did it in less than a handful of years.

Get off your high horse and worry about your own program. You and the rest of the SEC won't have the least competent coach in the conference to kick around anymore. I don't think it's any coincidence that the only sustained success that your program has had against ours in my lifetime happened during Cholk's 2nd tenure. He made an absolute fool of himself in the years that he took over our program again.

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

depends in any way on Mississippi States success or lack of success.

We sucked for all those years because of incompetent leadership and bad coaching hires. We didn't suffer because Mississippi State was good.

 

[RebelBruiser]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

depends in any way on Mississippi States success or lack of success.

We sucked for all those years because of incompetent leadership and bad coaching hires. We didn't suffer because Mississippi State was good.

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Exactly, and this is the main problem both of our fanbases have. The reason we've been pretty good lately is because Bianco did a pretty good job building our program. There are 10 other teams in this league. You don't just get good because one program is struggling.

I hope we both have good programs in baseball, because I think there is potential for our programs to have a big time national rivalry (at least in baseball circles), which would help both of our programs in recruiting.

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

I don't think there is a team in the SEC west that is not capable of winning a national title. I took issue with the poster who said any season besides a season where we don't win a national title is now a dismal failure. I think thats a dumb thing to say. With the parity in college baseball now, no program, no matter how prestigious can make that claim.

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

Declaring that every season in which you don't win a national title is a dismal failure is another. The only program in the history of college sports that may have been able to make a statement like that and not sound like a complete fool was UCLA basketball during John Wooden's prime.

 

[windcrysmary]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

that have never accomplished anything and make SEC champions out of them... Polk old time loyalty kept us from being champions...see the quote of how a former players said that he would not revoke schollies in order to make room for better players.... cohen will revoke you if you don't pan out... he will not let players be pussies like polk

MSU has a special place in college baseball that no other program can claim.... cohen coached a LA directional school that never had anything and ended up beating LSU twice.... someone with that type of coaching and program building ability taking over a tradition rich MSU program is exciting...

the sleeping giant of college baseball that shattered all super regional attendence records now has someone who is going to do the things needed for a championship... there is nothing unrealistic about expecting a NC within the next 5 years with Cohen... we are talking about a guy who just turned down a contract to be the highest paid coach in the nation

when yall almost beat Texas, you had a NC caliber team... and you think MSU is unrealistic now that we have a legit head coach? do you think because of your success since bianco that MSU baseball does not have advantages over ole miss?</p>

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

You can win a national title. Is Cohen the coach to do it? I don't know. He has the pedigree.

I think a lot of people are making a lot of premature statements. My main reaction came from the post that said anything that doesn't produce a national title is a dismal failure. I think an attitude like that is a bit much. I don't know if you can ever "expect" a national title. I think saying we "expect" to win a national title is too much. I think you can expect to be capable of winning one, but expecting to win one is a tough thing to do. If a coach makes it to Omaha every year, but never wins, is he a failure? Do you fire him? If Cohen doesn't win a national title in 5 years, has he been a failure?

I just think perspective has really been lost on this board. It has nothing to do with Ole Miss.

 

[eckie1]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

I specifically said success against us.

Clearly, if we have a terrible coach it helps you sustain success against us. Cohen may be our answer and he may not be. But he will be much, much better than what we had. It would be almost impossible to not be.

 

[windcrysmary]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

and at ky is why at MSU we should expect a NC

that was my ole miss reference...referring to yall's year that you had the players and coach to do it...if that can be produced at least 1 year, then a program with the potential of MSU with a legit coach should expect it...

if he doesn't win one, then I will deem it a failure... MSU just has too much on its side not to expect one now that we have a damn good coach

 

[SoxFan343]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

Your program has never won a national title. To say you have gotten to a point where you expect to win national titles when you have never won one is setting your expectations to high. I think you should have won at least a couple of titles before you can go claiming you expect to win them. I think you overstate the potential of your program (please don't bring up Ole Miss in your response). Your not Texas, your not Miami, your not Arizona State. I think super regionals and getting back to Omaha should be what you expect, not national titles. Not until you win at least one.

 

[saddawg]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

We blew it those years. I think we were the best talented teams in the country those 2 years. I've seen what we can do. That's what I expect to get back to. That's what I expect, those kinda teams. If we get them, I think a NC will come.

 

[windcrysmary]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

of polk's ability to recruit and how he didn't utilize the advantages of the MSU baseball program, maybe you would understand... right now, I wouldn't want to be a miami, texas or az state... read grisham's piece and you will know why..

if several good coaches would have been at the helm, I'd agree with you but we've only had polk outside a few years of mcmahon who also got us to omaha...</p>

I'd be willing to bet you've never experienced a night at dudy noble back in our hey day.. then you'd understand..</p>

I wouldn't trade places with any baseball program right now.. we've got something special that no other program has and it's about to see it's potential...once high profile players come and visit in the LFL and we are back to winning, they will experience something they've never seen...now we have somebody that will take the next step
. polk couldn't even win one with brantley, thigpen, clark and palmiero for Christ's sake..

we will just agree to disagree...and I will bring up ole miss again...by saying yall have a damn good coach whose brought you to the upper tier of the SEC...congrats...
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[Afro Dawg]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

Which Ole Miss player said that again? I realize you requested that we leave Ole Miss out of responses, but as long as you're here trying to keep expectations tempered because we haven't won a NC yet, just thought I'd throw this little nugget out there.</p>

 

[rebel law]

"Anything but Omaha is a disappointment, and Omaha's just not good enough either."

Satterwhite was ripped on here for saying OM expects to go to Omaha, something that OM hasn't done in 38 years. So it was dumb for him to expect that but it makes perfectly good sense for MSU to expect a NC, something MSU nor John Cohen have ever won? If I was a MSU fan I would expect Cohen to have the program regualry hosting regionals in about 3 years and giving the team chances to make it to Omaha. But I wouldn't expect a NC and certainly wouldn't deem him a failure if he didn't produce one. There is no doubt that MSU is capable of winning a NC, but there are plenty of other programs out there capable of winning one too. I would think programs like ASU or Miami who are basically in Omaha every year are the only ones who honestly expect to win a NC every year and are really disappointed when the season ends in Omaha without a title.