They optioned Flores to Memphis leaving Vallone as the only lefty in the bullpen. There's some good rumblings that a lefty pitcher on the way. Also some rumors of the Cards acquiring Jason Bay.
Appears that there is a trade in the works for the Cardinals.
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They optioned Flores to Memphis leaving Vallone as the only lefty in the bullpen. There's some good rumblings that a lefty pitcher on the way. Also some rumors of the Cards acquiring Jason Bay.
I know the Cards have been going after Braves lefty Will Ohman pretty hard. As a Braves fan, I hope its not him. I'm hoping he sticks with the Braves and they are able to re-sign him. I haven't heard anything about an imminent deal from the Braves side so it could be someone else. Fuentes maybe? I don't know who all the Cards have been after other than Ohman.
It is painful to watch what Chris Carpenter is trying to do - pitch in the big leagues when he is clearly not ready. If he wasn't pitching against a Triple A line up, the Cardinals would be getting blown out. If he is their best option for the rotation, they are in big trouble. Not only this year, but for years to come.
1. Its his third start since surgery. He's going to look rusty and anyone thought he was going to mow down batters tonight are morons.
2. If Carp doesnt start then one of the young pitchers from AAA would be starting more than likely and you would be seeing the same result or worse.
And how is Carpenter starting tonight somehow bad for years to come?
2. If Carp doesnt start then one of the young pitchers from AAA would be starting more than likely and you would be seeing the same result or worse.
And how is Carpenter starting tonight somehow bad for years to come?
DesotoCountyDawg said:
</p>I don't think anybody - other than Todd4State - thought he would look like Cy Young Carpenter. Tonight's 4 inning outing was basically a rehab assignment. It just shows how bad the Cardinals farm system is when it comes to starting pitching - that a guy coming off Tommy John surgery can't get his rehab work done in the minors. And because the Cardinals farm system is in such bad shape as far as starting pitching goes, it doesn't bode well for the future. Because this ownership group has proved that it is not willing to go out and "buy" starting pitching.
</p>Did you watch the game? Had no command at all. By the third inning, his fast ball had dipped into the high 80's. Was going full against a bunch of batters who ought to be in the minor leagues. There is a lot more to baseball than reading a box score. Again, he should be working out the kinks in the minor leagues. But because the Cardinals minor league pitching is in shambles, he can't.
If the Braves are like a AAA team right now and Carpenter starts the game but yet he needs to be in AAA pitching why not start him tonight to get some innings in?
Because his next start might be against a team that can actually hit. The Cardinals are in a pennant race. They would be much better served if he was getting his innings - and his mechanics and confidence - in a minor league rehab stint. But they don't have any depth at all in their organization when it comes to starting pitching. Is that so hard to understand or are you like Coach 34 and just like to argue?
I doubt he would have made another one and the minor league starters they brought up were not performing exceptionally well so I would give him the nod. LaRussa and Duncan are right there watching his throwing and mechanics. If they werent playing the Braves I doubt he starts.
I've always said that it unrealistic to expect him to be at his typical form until next year. I'm sure you don't archive posts, but I've never said anything like that. If you actually do, well first of all prayer's sent, but I challenge you to find a post where I've said anything remotely like that. I've actually criticized the Cardinals for trying to sell the "Hey we aren't making a trade, but we're getting some guys back that will be just as good as anyone else we could get." BS because there's no way to expect guys like Carpenter and Mulder to be 100%.oem said:
And to be honest, I've actually been surprised with how well Carpenter's rehab has gone. His velocity is there, and it is likely that his command will come very soon. But even then, I still don't expect Carpenter to be at his 04-06 form.
Bay is headed to Boston within the hour.... Manny Ramirez to FL and the Marlins will take home the NL East....
Braves are saying Ohman to the Cards isn't happening. Apparently the Braves have upped the price (I think cause they are considering keeping him if they don't get a great deal) and the Cards have backed away from the table. Everything I've read says if Ohman is traded, he's not headed to St. Louis. I guess the Cards will have to go after Mahay, Fuentes or someone else.
When Wainwright gets back, they can move Looper or Pimiero to the pen. If they need a lefty for the stretch run, they should bring Jamie Garcia back up.
The Cards have some solid pitching prospects, but most of them are still in Sprinfield or lower.
The farm system is just now getting healthy. They don't need to start shipping them off again.
The Cards have some solid pitching prospects, but most of them are still in Sprinfield or lower.
The farm system is just now getting healthy. They don't need to start shipping them off again.
And being that that is his bread and butter pitch. He cant come back till it comes back. In a bullpen session he had good control with straight stuff but very little with the curve. Was expected he would be back in time for the Cubs series in early August. They have backed off those expectations.
I've heard that they may move Wainwright to the bullpen for the rest of this season when he comes back. Not sure how accurate that is.
although, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I would just as soon have Wainwright start, assuming that he is healthy, than have him close.
I don't think it will happen because they have declared Izzy the closer- for now.</p>
I don't think it will happen because they have declared Izzy the closer- for now.</p>
Izzy is beyond awful...I'd much rather have wainwright in the closer role...its our bullpen that needs the most help lately.
and by the time he comes back they will know whether or not to pull the plug on Izzy in that role. I think the only reason they have contemplated the pen is the worry that he may not have the arm strength (endurance) to be 6-7 inning guy for the rest of the season. That said, he will be in the rotation if he's not closing out games when he returns.
<p align="left">Didnt see that coming but IF they dont think they can resign him and are confident in Wainwright being able to rejoin the rotation then it might make sense if they can get a bat and a reliever.<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3512452&name=mlb_trade_deadline">
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Posted by Jayson Stark</p>Here's one of the most surprising names to pop up on the "available" list in the past 24 hours -- Kyle Lohse. Officials of two teams that spoke with the Cardinals report that they've been offering to deal Lohse if they can get back the right package. The Cardinals have been looking for both a bat and a bullpen arm. And apparently, they concluded they didn't have the prospects to get both. They got Chris Carpenter back from the disabled list Wednesday, with Adam Wainwright a couple of weeks behind. And they have no assurance they can re-sign Lohse because he's a Scott Boras client. So Lohse could dramatically alter the starting-pitching market Thursday if the Cardinals can find the right taker. Among the teams still looking for a starter: White Sox, Rockies and Yankees. </div>
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Posted by Jayson Stark</p>Here's one of the most surprising names to pop up on the "available" list in the past 24 hours -- Kyle Lohse. Officials of two teams that spoke with the Cardinals report that they've been offering to deal Lohse if they can get back the right package. The Cardinals have been looking for both a bat and a bullpen arm. And apparently, they concluded they didn't have the prospects to get both. They got Chris Carpenter back from the disabled list Wednesday, with Adam Wainwright a couple of weeks behind. And they have no assurance they can re-sign Lohse because he's a Scott Boras client. So Lohse could dramatically alter the starting-pitching market Thursday if the Cardinals can find the right taker. Among the teams still looking for a starter: White Sox, Rockies and Yankees. </div>
Wainwright can do a lot more good in the rotation.
They should think about putting Wellemeyer in the role. He doesn't seem to have the stamina to start for a full season, and he has pretty electric stuff.
He could throw mid 90's gas and his slider and be an effective closer.
He does walk too many though.
They should think about putting Wellemeyer in the role. He doesn't seem to have the stamina to start for a full season, and he has pretty electric stuff.
He could throw mid 90's gas and his slider and be an effective closer.
He does walk too many though.
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