given current status, it looks like we have 63 scholarship players on the roster, so the 22 FR class puts us at 85. do we have room for any new players until things sort out with more departures? if there were an elite player at a position of need, it doesn't look like we have room at the inn. What would have happened had Conrad Hussey decided on PSU?
are we at 85 scholarships now with 22 in FR class?
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Put your worry beads away. More present players will be entering the portal or moving on soon and there will be room at the inn.
It isn’t for us to worry about. The coaching staff knows exactly what it is doing.
I thought someone mentioned that from Spring to the end of camp you are allowed 89 scholarship players on the roster. Although that might have been some COVID waiver that may have expired. Can anyone clarify that?
If you include the eligible super seniors that have not announced officially, the 1 transfer portal, and the 22 incoming, we are at 90 scholies. Expect probably 8 more to leave , which would leave 3 to come in from portal or late signing. More could leave.
Uh, no. The limit is 85 at any given point in time. That does not count 1) players who have used up eligibility still in school; and 2) signees who have yet to enroll.
The Staff knows what they need to do , and If they mess up it's on them . But you are not alone in your concerns , but all will be all right . What will be will be .
Let’s do some math. At the end of year 83 scholarships were in use. Assuming all the seniors leave (including Effner) along with Porter jr and Washington you are at 14 gone to get you to 69. Since then CV, McNeil, McGraw, Townley, and Davis Jr left. So that is 64. The punter plus the 22 signees get you to 87. Between heading to the NFL or post Rose Bowl portal entries I would estimate 6 to 8 more departures. So 4 to 6 slots available.
| Position-2023 | Senior | Junior | Sophomore | RS Freshman | TrueFreshman |
| QB | Allar | Pribula + | Smolik | ||
| RB | Lee | Singleton | Montgomery | ||
| Allen | C. Wallace | ||||
| TE | Warren | Dinkins + | Cross + | Rappleyea | |
| Theo Johnson | Schlaffer/Barn. | ||||
| WR | Carter + | Lambert-Smith | Evans | T.Johnson+ | Taylor |
| Dottin + | T.Wallace + | Ivey + | |||
| Meiga | Clifford+ | Saunders + | |||
| Driver+ | |||||
| OT | Cae. Wallace+ | Christ+ | Shelton | Williams | |
| Traore+ | Birchmeier | ||||
| Fashanu | |||||
| IOL | Nourzad++ | JB Nelson + | Dawkins+ | Ioane + | Donkoh |
| Wormley + | Achumba+ | Tengwall+ | |||
| DE | Isaac + | C.Robinson | Dennis-Sutton | Lyons | |
| Vilbert+ | Vanover | Fisher+ | M. Robinson | ||
| Mupoyi | |||||
| DT | Beamon+ | Izzard+ | Durant | Artis+ | Blanding |
| Ellies+ | Vandenberg+ | ||||
| LB | Katshir++ | Jacobs | Carter/K.King+ | Wylie+ | Rojas |
| Elsdon | Mills+/Buddin+ | T.Robinson | |||
| DeLuca + | Keys | ||||
| CB | Dixon | K.King | C. Miller | Tracey | |
| Hardy + | Washington | ||||
| Wilson/Duck | |||||
| S | Ellis | Reed | Wheatley + | Flowers+ | Nelson |
| Winston | Payne/Mack | ||||
| K | Pinegar++ | Sahaydak+ | |||
| P | Thompson | Bacchetta + | |||
| Guide | + = Redshirt | ++ = Super Sr. | |||
| Total -90 | 15 | 19 | 23 | 11 | 22 |
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Pineager, Katshir and Effner are considered gone in my calculations. I would guess Wilson is gone also
Good question. Not sure of the timelines and limitations in regard to ability to make offers and such , but If the staff is asleep at the switch then shame on them . As for my reply , again it is on the staff to make sure that they are in position and to be ready to offers and the numbers game in regard to the roster .
No I do believe they have a handle on it , That is why I replied to the post . There are several staff members that is their responsibility
This listing shows PSU at 89, 4 over the 85 limit.
Unofficial 2024 Penn State Football Scholarship Chart
What does the Penn State football scholarship chart look like heading into next season?
The 89 number includes Effner, Wilson and Katshir. All participated in senior day. So did Ellie’s but I really hope he returns.This listing shows PSU at 89, 4 over the 85 limit.
Unofficial 2024 Penn State Football Scholarship Chart
What does the Penn State football scholarship chart look like heading into next season?pennstate.rivals.com
Yep, but since none of those 4 have yet to say they are really leaving I find it hard not to continue to count them right now. I find it hard to believe Katshir will be back with all the young LB talent incoming and what was already on the roster developing, such as Wylie. But Wilson has performed pretty well at CB and if Franklin and Smith strike out in the Portal with CB's Wilson would be right in the rotation if he stays. Effner with his position flexibility and performance at OT would also seem to be a better compimentary OL player than Wallace who has struggled at OT and has not played elsewhere on the OL so far. Obviously Ellie would add some size to the 2023 DT rotation that seems to be sorely needed. And we know that players have participated in Senior Day and yet returned for another season.
Bottom line is that the staff includes a number of people that are working to see how the roster will get to 85, Franklin has had conversations with each returning player, and there will be a good many moves by players and the staff in the coming weeks and months. But there will be attrition of some sort to make it all work out.
in the NFL they have the knock on the door and the guy says, "coach wants to see you and bring your playbook." In the NFL they can take IR guys and move them into other buckets and if their injuries are bad enough they just release them. they have active, IR, practice squad, etc. In CFB there are not the same flexible options.
At Penn State we have been more family and the team has honored scholarship commitments. We have been fortunate that some players have just transferred to seek better opportunities - i.e. Will Levis. In many cases we have had guys move that maybe the staff would have liked to stay. The issue gets stickier if we get players who notice that a lot of the transfer players never get picked up and lose scholarship, so they decide I rather stay at PSU on scholarship and never see the field. Would we take a scholarship away? I assumed we would never do that, given the way JF talks to the families about taking care of their sons. I think we all know the staff is all over this. We have a really talented and deep team, so tough job.
It also seems like getting players with position flexibility is a huge advantage. If you can move a guy who is inside the 85 count, that could avoid trying to find a portal player. Using Joey Schlaffer and Khalil Dhinkins in WR like roles could provide the size we lack in the WR room. We clearly must have one of the largest and most talented TE rooms in the country. Bryce "Swiss Army Knife" Effner has been a huge advantage for the staff to fill injury holes.
I believe what Franklin promises his recruits, recruits parents, and players, is a 3 year on scholarship ride to a PSU degree. All of the players that were discussed here regarding staying or goin have had those 3 years at PSU.
It would seem that those players (Effner, Wallace, Wilson, Katshir, plus players in the 2020 class such as Lee, Dottin, Meiga, Johnson, Warren, Achumba, Christ, Dawkins, Traore, Fisher, Vanover, Elsdon, Mulbah) are each candidates to not have a scholarship available for them in 2023. Obviously there are many, possibly most, on that list that are key players for the 2023 team. But many of the 2020 class players will have their degree and some may realize they won't likely ever get on the PSU 2 deep. Also, I have a hard time believing that PSU will carry 8 scholarship TE's for 2023, but Barnwell is probably not a TE in the long run. EDIT: Strange leaving so now 7 TE's.... Or 13 or 14 WR's.....
There's going to be some surprises in the next few weeks for sure in order to get a few scholarships for incoming transfers as well as for any of the players that walked on Senior Day that the coaches convince to stay.
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Updated 1/8/23 . Still think we'll have room for at least 4 more. Roberson, Cephas,Sears, and late add of Onoh.
Dhinkins looks very athletic and not typical TE. if we do not get another big WR, is Dhinkins a solution at WR?
Yep, looks like the staff is looking for at least 3 more players - portal DT and WR plus another OT from for 2023 class or portal. Could see 1-2 WR's and 1-2 LB's and possibly 1-2 olinemen that may leave. Something's gotta give to end up at 85 and we know the openings won't come from QB and RB, and the numbers now at DE and DT look pretty well in line for what is needed to get through a season.
Every year people wring their hands and worry about the 85 scholarship limit, and will it work out. That’s something we never need be concerned about. There’s only around $15 million or so in salaries working on it. I’m very confident that they can add up to 85, or even subtract from a higher number than 85. But the interesting part is who comes and goes.
Yep, the staff doesn't need us commenting on recruiting, or in game decisions, or anything else regarding any team decisions. But that's what many fans that closely follow the team and the roster do......It's what we do. The staff couldn't make a decision without our "analysis".
What makes this interesting, is as I said the discussion about who might be coming and conversely with the portal who is going. The annual handwringing by some people about will we get to 85 is ridiculous. I never said people shouldn’t post and discuss team issues or performance. Stupidity is another thing.
I'm with you. I think everyone generally knows it isn't going to be an issue. We just like projections.
I obvously wasn't replying to you.
But discussing how the staff might get to the 85 limit is not "hangwringing", nor is it rediculous. It's a discussion of part of the current competitive nature of college football as it is what determines how many portal players and individual recruiting class players can be brought in, which is a major discussion of this board by PSU football fans that like to watch how each yearly roster and each years's team develops.
It woudn't matter if you said it or not. This board has discussions on lots of topics that many here choose to not participate in. And it's fruitless for someone that doesn't want to participate in particular discussions to call those discussions "stupidity".
Why don’t you take your bolded black ink I’m so important look at me type and shove it where the Sun doesn’t shine. Yes, and I’m familiar with your lame excuse. Few if any people that participate on this board are as argumentative or as supremely self confident in their ability to disseminate constant useless dribble as you. That’s your right, and because I believe in rational discourse I’d never “ignore” any poster. But I’ll never accept being lectured to by an ego maniac.
And ye of limited reading comprehension, I never said any discussions wasn’t useful other than the yearly handwringing about wether we’ll safely arrive at 85 scholarships. And if you haven’t seen any, then perhaps, just perhaps, your more interested in dispensing your personal Oracle of Delphi inputs than actually reading the others.
Nobody lectured you. In fact I try not to respond to your know it all argumentative but useless responses.
Again no. I'm only interested in discussing PSU football topics with those that can rationally respond like adults. Which leaves you out.
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You're the priceless one. But a pretty low price. 2nd grader name caller. Grow up, unbunch your panities and move on. Or don't.....
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