As first pitch is slowly creeping upon us...
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Pretty sure foxhall. Who won a NC as a pitching coach, isn’t nervous at all.
foxhall has had a good career as a coach. What’s happened the last two seasons is a tiny blip on the radar.
Regardless of what happens. He won’t look like a gigantic moron
foxhall has had a good career as a coach. What’s happened the last two seasons is a tiny blip on the radar.
Regardless of what happens. He won’t look like a gigantic moron
I mean he already got another assistant coach job at Auburn so I’m sure he’s fine. If anything the way it ended here definitely hurt his future head coaching chances. But he’ll always be able to find a spot as an assistant somewhere if I had to guess.
It's more jimmy's and joe's than x's and o's. Had we gotten Skeens last year we'd hosted.
During 2021 he was praised by everyone about how well he managed out staff. Assistant coach of the year. For various reasons what he tried to do the last two years didn't GeeHaw with the staff.
During 2021 he was praised by everyone about how well he managed out staff. Assistant coach of the year. For various reasons what he tried to do the last two years didn't GeeHaw with the staff.
That is debatable but ultimately moot because he didn't get Skeens which is another failure.
Foxhall brought in a horrid class of pitchers in 2022, which is largely why we ended up in the shape we found ourselves in both 2022 and 2023. Injuries didn’t help, but we found ourselves having to force guys out there that weren’t ready both years, and paid dearly for it.
I don’t think Foxhall suddenly forgot how to coach pitchers. But he had too many evaluation misses in that 2022 class, and couldn’t get nearly enough from the portal guys for 2023 to cover for those misses, and he didn’t seem very capable of getting buy-in or results from a lot of portal guys that already had a couple of years development from their previous schools. That’s why the change was needed.
At Auburn, I’m sure he’ll be fine for 3-4 years, just like he was here. But they’ll want to pay close attention to things after that once his first full recruiting classes start rolling in.
I don’t think Foxhall suddenly forgot how to coach pitchers. But he had too many evaluation misses in that 2022 class, and couldn’t get nearly enough from the portal guys for 2023 to cover for those misses, and he didn’t seem very capable of getting buy-in or results from a lot of portal guys that already had a couple of years development from their previous schools. That’s why the change was needed.
At Auburn, I’m sure he’ll be fine for 3-4 years, just like he was here. But they’ll want to pay close attention to things after that once his first full recruiting classes start rolling in.
foxhall didn’t forget how to recruit pitchers either…
NIL
when top of the line pitchers are going for large $$$ in the portal and even freshman arms are now…. And we haven’t been able to ante up to get them.
blame foxhall if you want. End of the day we’ve yet to make any splash in the portal. Much like this season. We didn’t pick up any of the top tier arms this off season either…… And you’ve got to get those portal guys or be lucky in a lot of other factors to be able to win.
cannazaro was an elite recruiter and was able to get those guys to campus Lemonis has yet to be able to show he’s even an average one in that regard
Am I misremembering or didn't Cohen say that the difficulty of recruiting against Lemonis when they were in Kentucky was a consideration for his hiring at State?
More solid contact than you'd like on opening day, but the staff pounded the zone. That's all I ask this year. If we get beat by opposing bats, that's fine. Just don't beat ourselves with the opponents' bat on their shoulder.
Fundamentals in the field and basepaths didn't inspire much confidence. We will see what today brings.
Fundamentals in the field and basepaths didn't inspire much confidence. We will see what today brings.
We got the Miami kid and a few others. Dohm looks like he was as good of a portal addition as you can ask for. Stone Simmons was an extremely solid pre-portal era pickup as well.
As far as Foxhall’s HS recruiting, the 2021 class was terrible in both quality and quantity. We only brought in 5 guys from HS, an astonishingly low number. Then add to that Auger who was a Soph JUCO transfer. Of that group, Auger is all that’s left who might contribute this year, with Pico being the only other non-bust. Everyone else is gone.
It was inexcusable to only bring in that low number of pitchers in one class. These kids commit when they are 14 f-ing years old….you’re just about always going to miss on at least half of them. Then you’re going to have another 1-2 per year get hit with TJ. End of the day, if you sign 10 HS pitchers in a class and 4 of them become solid contributors for multiple years, you’ve done well. 10 should be the minimum number of pitchers we bring in from HS. Every year. Process them as needed. Signing just 5 in one class was high level negligence
There are like 2 guys per year in the portal that can be SEC Friday or Saturday guys. This year, LSU got one and Wake got one. Can’t rely on the portal at all for the top of the rotation guys. There aren’t enough to go around.
Lemonis got Bednar here, who pretty much singlehandedly won us the natty. And was of course a 1st round pick. Cannizzaro got us a guy here and there, but he never landed anyone of that caliber unless you count JT Ginn, who more or less was coming no matter who the coach was if he attended college. Sims was a guy that Cohen did all the legwork recruiting….he was pretty much already in the boat when Cann was hired.
Ok so we are going to give lemonis credit for getting Bednar but give foxhall blame for everyone else? Either have to give foxhall credit for Bednar. Or give lemonis fault for the recruiting misses. Can’t cherry pick.
I do agree signing as many as possible is a good idea. However players aren’t dumb. They want opportunities. These kids aren’t going to sign to just sign. Especially now with nil opportunities
cannizzaro got more than just a guy here or there. Easy way to brush over it though. Ginn may sign with MLB if it were not for cann, and it’s funny we just chalk up sims to cohen. Cann deserves a lot of credit for the talent assembled
2 guys per year? You can’t be serious. Beam
And hollman both available. Arkansas got Molina. Am got Montgomery and also added another solid arm from sd state. Tenn got Causey who’s suppose to be a weekend guy. That’s barely looking at it…. All top profram
Add arms. Florida got a good one last year out of the portal…
vandy is the only one not in it, but they don’t have the need considering they can give free rides to high school freshman
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Yes, main credit to Lemonis for Bednar because he was the initial connection. Foxhall surely didn’t hurt. Special case there….Lem built a bond with him when recruiting him to IU. Bednar liked him but chose Ohio State instead. When Lemonis got a much more high profile job than both IU and Ohio State, he reached back out again and Bednar jumped.
To be clear, I don’t think Foxhall sucked at recruiting either. But he took way too many chances on guys with live arms but no command, then had really no back-up plans when those guys didn’t pan out (Fristoe, etc.).
NIL in baseball isn’t nearly what it is in football and basketball….for high school kids especially. Most of that gets spent in the portal. Either way, you’ve got to cast a wide net for pitching these days. Too many variables and uncertainties that must be accounted for.
You are misremembering quite a bit. Cann was fired months before the 2018 draft. Lemonis was hired and got Ginn here when he didn’t get his number from the Dodgers. But again, Ginn was entirely a financial decision. He wanted only MSU if he was coming to college….big MSU family. Nobody deserves that much credit for getting him to campus.
Ok so there are 2-5 guys. Enough for what, one out of every three SEC teams to land a big difference maker, best case scenario? You can’t rely on elite arms coming your way in the portal. A Sunday guy or bullpen guy? Sure. Top end rotation guys though….you need to find them, sign them, and have them pan out from the HS ranks.
I can agree with a lot of this. That said the blame seems to be thrown on foxhall a lot and we give lemonis credit for special circumstances. You have to give fox credit for developing those guys and that staff. Can’t just pick and choose where the credit goes
Nil is more prominent than some think. I’ve been told that on most sec rosters 10-12 guys are getting significant NIL money. Could be wrong. And there is no way to prove it.
As far as the portal. The elite teams in the sec are landing big fish in the portal. We aren’t. Being able to land one of those guys every other year would be huge. And something that shouldn’t be a hard ask. Sure everyone would love to land the high school stud, but the elite programs are using the portal to their advantage and we aren’t. Again there are 4-5 schools in the sec that made big upgrades in the portal. We didn’t. Until that changes we will continue to struggle.
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