ASU HC comments on coaching

[Deleted11512]

Not sure if anyone has caught any ASU football games. I have, and I like this young guy. A ton of energy, the kind of guy you hope to see succeed. He has some interesting words for HCs complaining about how hard the job is.

"I literally spent 9 years of my life doing anything to become a coffee boy. So, don't give me the 'Oh, it's hard to be a coach right now.' Yeah, it's hard. Then quit."

Kenny Dillingham fires back at college coaches complaining: 'Yeah, it's hard. Then quit.'

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[18IsTheMan]

It's always been a hard job (for everyone except maybe SOS, which is probably why he underachieved a bit). It's not about being a hard job, it's about the current situation being unmanageable. Some guys are simply deciding it's not worth the hassle, and I get it. It's like trying to scoop up water with a colander.

Poor take by Dillingham, in my opinion.

 

[Prestonyte]

Not sure if anyone has caught any ASU football games. I have, and I like this young guy. A ton of energy, the kind of guy you hope to see succeed. He has some interesting words for HCs complaining about how hard the job is.

"I literally spent 9 years of my life doing anything to become a coffee boy. So, don't give me the 'Oh, it's hard to be a coach right now.' Yeah, it's hard. Then quit."

Kenny Dillingham fires back at college coaches complaining: 'Yeah, it's hard. Then quit.'

.

www.on3.com

Coaching is right up there with U.S. Senator for best ''job'' in America with outstanding rewards, even if you are a complete failure. I do agree that the ''job description'' for coaching has drastically changed for the worst.

 

[KingWard]

A lot depends on how old you are and how long you've been under the gun. A person reaches a saturation point. BUt suppose you get a little on the tired side, AND THEN the task itself gets markedly more arduous, then the wall gets suddenly closer.

 

[Deleted11512]

It's not unmanageable. Especially with the golden parachute most of these guys have. I've been through a lot more high stress, detrimental, unmanageable situations than convincing a teenager to play for you. And I feel comfortable enough here letting you guys know that I don't make $6M/yr. lol

 

[KingWard]

It's not unmanageable. Especially with the golden parachute most of these guys have. I've been through a lot more high stress, detrimental, unmanageable situations than convincing a teenager to play for you. And I feel comfortable enough here letting you guys know that I don't make $6M/yr. lol

But stepping out from under it when you reach a certain age to actually COACH for seven figures like that boy who just moved to Ohio State or high six figures like Shawn is doing ain't bad, either.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's not unmanageable. Especially with the golden parachute most of these guys have. I've been through a lot more high stress, detrimental, unmanageable situations than convincing a teenager to play for you. And I feel comfortable enough here letting you guys know that I don't make $6M/yr. lol

It meets the exact definition of unmanageable. A college coach has almost no control over his roster from year to year. It's just a headache and a hassle to have to deal with to continuously recruit your existing players. You may invest 2 years into developing a guy and when he's ready to become a productive player, he leaves and you have nothing to show for your efforts.

Now, I know the argument is that they're getting paid enough to deal with it, but some simply don't want to. It has nothing to do with the job being hard or not being hard. It's always been a hard job, but guys worked themselves to the bone for the chance to become a head coach anyway.

 

[will110]

Coaching is right up there with U.S. Senator for best ''job'' in America with outstanding rewards, even if you are a complete failure. I do agree that the ''job description'' for coaching has drastically changed for the worst.

If you could just jump into a head coaching job without any prior experience, then I'd say yes you're right. But that's not really how it works. These guys are working their way up the ladder as GAs, to position coaches, to lower level head coaches, etc. For every Will Muschamp there's probably a hundred guys who were working their tails off for very little reward.

Once you get the head coaching job at a major school, you're set for life regardless of success, but it takes a lot to get that job.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

It meets the exact definition of unmanageable. A college coach has almost no control over his roster from year to year. It's just a headache and a hassle to have to deal with to continuously recruit your existing players. You may invest 2 years into developing a guy and when he's ready to become a productive player, he leaves and you have nothing to show for your efforts.

Now, I know the argument is that they're getting paid enough to deal with it, but some simply don't want to. It has nothing to do with the job being hard or not being hard. It's always been a hard job, but guys worked themselves to the bone for the chance to become a head coach anyway.

There is also more, so much more than keeping the roster. Constant meetings, with players, coaches, parents, administrators, going to Booster events, press conferences, TV/Radio shows, the dreaded call at night "hey coach I've been arrested", etc, etc, etc. Jimmy Johnson had so much demand on his time that he said sometimes he would sleep on a cot in his office.
No one is going to sell me the job is "manageable". There is a very good reason that this CFB HC fraternity has only about 133 (or so) D1 coaches. It is definitely not for everybody.

 

[Deleted11512]

It meets the exact definition of unmanageable. A college coach has almost no control over his roster from year to year. It's just a headache and a hassle to have to deal with to continuously recruit your existing players. You may invest 2 years into developing a guy and when he's ready to become a productive player, he leaves and you have nothing to show for your efforts.

Now, I know the argument is that they're getting paid enough to deal with it, but some simply don't want to. It has nothing to do with the job being hard or not being hard. It's always been a hard job, but guys worked themselves to the bone for the chance to become a head coach anyway.

It's not unmanageable, it's life. Just happened to my company with an entire sales group. Whole group just up and left. We MANAGE through it, and hit the road recruiting.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's not unmanageable, it's life. Just happened to my company with an entire sales group. Whole group just up and left. We MANAGE through it, and hit the road recruiting.

That’s an apples to oranges comparison. Anyway, i’m really not sure what the argument is. I don’t know of a coach who has left and said the job is too hard. The landscape has simply changed to the point that some coaches don’t feel it’s worth it any longer. There’s a difference between something being hard and some thing being a hassle. Hard you can manage. Hassle, at some point, just becomes not worth it.

 

[Deleted11512]

That’s an apples to oranges comparison. Anyway, i’m really not sure what the argument is. I don’t know of a coach who has left and said the job is too hard. The landscape has simply changed to the point that some coaches don’t feel it’s worth it any longer. There’s a difference between something being hard and some thing being a hassle. Hard you can manage. Hassle, at some point, just becomes not worth it.

I did miss our pointless arguments.

 

[KingWard]

It's not unmanageable, it's life. Just happened to my company with an entire sales group. Whole group just up and left. We MANAGE through it, and hit the road recruiting.

That would get beyond tiresome if it were constantly recurring and you could never count on workforce sufficiency.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I tend to agree with the ASU coach, but also see why people that have been doing this for a while don't have the stomach for it anymore. The game has changed - drastically. And it changed in an almost instant. As always, youth will be served and will be ready to take the places of anyone that doesn't like this version of coaching.

That said, these "older" coaches are making some great moves. Take a "demotion" and make up to $2M to be an assistant coach - where you don't have to be in charge anymore. That's the life right there.

 

[Deleted11512]

I tend to agree with the ASU coach, but also see why people that have been doing this for a while don't have the stomach for it anymore. The game has changed - drastically. And it changed in an almost instant. As always, youth will be served and will be ready to take the places of anyone that doesn't like this version of coaching.

That said, these "older" coaches are making some great moves. Take a "demotion" and make up to $2M to be an assistant coach - where you don't have to be in charge anymore. That's the life right there.

I agree with him too. Don't like it, quit. And some are, good for them.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Dillingham is a 3-9 head coach.

He needs to accomplish something before his opinion matters.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Dillingham is a 3-9 head coach.

He needs to accomplish something before his opinion matters.

He's probably accomplished more than you. Does your opinion matter?

 

[18IsTheMan]

He's probably accomplished more than you. Does your opinion matter?

Yes, it does, because Dillingham is lying. Name one coach who said they left their job because it was too hard.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Yes, it does, because Dillingham is lying. Name one coach who said they left their job because it was too hard.

But of course.
Here's an actual coach giving his opinion. You're some random guy on an internet forum giving us your opinion. Of course your opinion means more than his.

 

[18IsTheMan]

But of course.
Here's an actual coach giving his opinion. You're some random guy on an internet forum giving us your opinion. Of course your opinion means more than his.

It's not his opinion. It's a lie.

My opinion is the truth: not one coach has said they left their job because it was too hard.

Give me an example.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

It's not his opinion. It's a lie.

My opinion is the truth: not one coach has said they left their job because it was too hard.

Give me an example.

Unless the job was just "handed" to them most coaches are alpha males. It would be hard for an alpha male to admit you left a job because it was "too hard." It may be but they can't admit that even to themselves. But that's my opinion and I'm just some random guy on an internet forum.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The real problem is that coaches won't speak up and say anything about the deteriorating conditions for fear of the negative recruiting impact. Saban is now speaking out about it, but he wouldn't say much while he was coaching.

 

[AnsonCock]

It's always been a hard job (for everyone except maybe SOS, which is probably why he underachieved a bit). It's not about being a hard job, it's about the current situation being unmanageable. Some guys are simply deciding it's not worth the hassle, and I get it. It's like trying to scoop up water with a colander.

Poor take by Dillingham, in my opinion.

I was fortunate to find a copy of Lou Holtz's autobiography. He described working for Paul Dietzel and Woody Hayes. He said Dietzel told him he should find another line of work because he had no future in football coaching. He said Woody Hayes in his prime, was very smart and was always working hard. I am posting this because being a HC gives a lot of freedom to the HC, but the successful ones are focused and always working. I really don't see how coaches balance work with family life. Must be hard. Of course they are very well compensated.