Basketball defense

grimedawg1

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In basketball, offense can come and go but defensive effort can be a constant every night.

Giving up 50 in a half against a team that can’t score well was incredibly disappointing last time out. A&M held the common opponent to 51 in an ENTIRE game tonight. Just about as atrocious a defensive effort as State has had in a long time last Saturday.
 

DAWG61

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Nah we were missing Tolu which meant Brooks for Ole Miss had a field day down low and Murrel was insanely hot outside. Missing one player makes all the difference in a game sometimes.
 

grimedawg1

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I understand this line of thinking. And, at a lower output than 50 points, I could buy it. But, we gave up FIFTY points in the first half.

If I remember correctly, we consciously made the decision to guard Brooks one on one - without a double. And, that was the correct call. So, you have to guard the perimeter players if that is what your strategy is. And, we gave up several threes without a hand up. It was like we were thinking "they can't make them all" and our defense reflected that. But, after a few in a row, it's time to start trying to run folks off the three point line.

A&M gave up 51 to this same team. They play with effort. Haven't been real talented. But they have played hard since Williams has been there.
 

msugolf

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In basketball, offense can come and go but defensive effort can be a constant every night.

Giving up 50 in a half against a team that can’t score well was incredibly disappointing last time out. A&M held the common opponent to 51 in an ENTIRE game tonight. Just about as atrocious a defensive effort as State has had in a long time last Saturday.

Well when you refuse to acknowledge that there’s different defensive looks other than man-to-man then that’s what you get. A coach married to his system who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else is a recipe for disaster
 

BonzoGoesToCollege

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In basketball, offense can come and go but defensive effort can be a constant every night.

Our defensive effort is constant. Our guards can't cover the perimeter. It's not just coincidental that some random guy has a career night every game. Whoever plays us can get wide *** open 3's whenever they want.
 

deltadawg63

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It’s not our players, it’s the defensive scheme as we almost always choose to double the pass into the post or double team the drive into the post which when that is all you do, the offense can practice to execute kick outs quickly to create open 3 looks. Some opponents make a lot of those and some miss a lot of those. Arkansas missed a lot of open 3’s and OM made a lot of those but with our defensive strategy, those looks will be there. Also, we have larger physical guards over quick guards and start a “big” lineup which can compound the issue of covering the perimeter. It has been Howland’s scheme and style since he’s been at State.
 

maroonmania

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Our defensive effort is constant. Our guards can't cover the perimeter. It's not just coincidental that some random guy has a career night every game. Whoever plays us can get wide *** open 3's whenever they want.

Howland's philosophy seems to be just to allow the outside shot which he perceives to be lower percentage and HOPE they don't hit them. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't but its been a constant during his entire tenure. Definitely didn't work in this last game against OM.
 

BonzoGoesToCollege

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Howland's philosophy seems to be just to allow the outside shot which he perceives to be lower percentage and HOPE they don't hit them. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't but its been a constant during his entire tenure. Definitely didn't work in this last game against OM.

That's not a philosophy, that's just sheer laziness. Guards don't work hard to get on top of high ball screens, hence all the switching and mismatches. Watch the women play. They rarely get picked off and switch.
 

ezsoil

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This is true and couple that with the fact he will NEVER a play a zone..and it makes it pretty easy to gameplan
 

maroonmania

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This is true and couple that with the fact he will NEVER a play a zone..and it makes it pretty easy to gameplan

I have said before on this board that we must be the easiest team in the country to prepare for. We do the exact same things every game no matter the opponent. Hope our basketball assistants get a lot of in season recruiting done because they sure don't spend any time scouting the opponent and game planning. No need for that when you never change anything in how you play.
 

RiverCityDawg

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It’s not our players, it’s the defensive scheme as we almost always choose to double the pass into the post or double team the drive into the post which when that is all you do, the offense can practice to execute kick outs quickly to create open 3 looks. Some opponents make a lot of those and some miss a lot of those. Arkansas missed a lot of open 3’s and OM made a lot of those but with our defensive strategy, those looks will be there. Also, we have larger physical guards over quick guards and start a “big” lineup which can compound the issue of covering the perimeter. It has been Howland’s scheme and style since he’s been at State.

I think it's this certainly. But I think it's also lacking the intensity required to play good defense and a coach past the point where he has the ability or wherewithal to emphasize it. In combination, it's maddening to watch.
 

dog12

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This is true and couple that with the fact he will NEVER a play a zone..and it makes it pretty easy to gameplan

I wish a reporter would ask the following question: "Coach Howland, Ole Miss was killing your man-to-man defense all night. Did you ever consider switching to a zone defense?"

Has a reporter ever asked this question to Coach Howland?

If so, then what did he say?
 
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