I don't know if this is Kosher or not but this question is being debated elsewhere. I rarely post or contribute to debates but need to get my 2 cents in on this one. Being as old as dirt I hearken back to the 60's and have to put forth a name not mentioned in the other debate as of yet. To this point in the debate Daton Fix seems, to date, to be the obvious choice to me; but he still has an opportunity to achieve success with a national title. My choice is a kid named Bob Fehrs, from Michigan, who in the 60's finished as a runner up, 3 times, to Mike Caruso of Lehigh. In 1965 Fehrs lost 6-5, in 66 he lost 9-6 and in 67 he lost 7-6. Feel free to put forth your choices. WE ARE!
Best that never won a national title
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A few to get this rolling:
Coon
Trenge
Fix
McIntosh -- beat 2 multi-time world champs within 2 weeks
This will ruffle some feathers, but DeSanto -- he has beaten numerous national champs and finalists, and in the past 3 years has only lost to RBY, Fix, and Gross.
And of course Downey.
Coon
Trenge
Fix
McIntosh -- beat 2 multi-time world champs within 2 weeks
This will ruffle some feathers, but DeSanto -- he has beaten numerous national champs and finalists, and in the past 3 years has only lost to RBY, Fix, and Gross.
And of course Downey.
I think where it is different for a guy like DeSanto versus Fix is that Fix is also a World Silver Medalist. DeSanto is more like a Brandon Sorenson. Very good wrestler but not good enough to beat the guy ahead of him.
That's true in regards to Fix vs DeSanto H2H.
It's not that simple more broadly with DeSanto. He has beaten the guys ahead of both him and Fix, just hasn't beaten Fix.
DeSanto beat RBY 2x, Fix is 0-2 with no offensive points. Beat Suriano, Fix lost to him, again with no offensive points. Also beat Gross.
I will go with Tyler Caldwell that finished 5, 2, 3, and 2.
Lost in the NCAA finals to Jordan Burroughs and David Taylor which won the Dan Hodge Trophy those years and both went on to win Olympic Gold Medals.
Can anybody else say they got by beat in the NCAA finals by two guys that would move on to capture Olympic Golds"? To lazy to look up.......
Lost in the NCAA finals to Jordan Burroughs and David Taylor which won the Dan Hodge Trophy those years and both went on to win Olympic Gold Medals.
Can anybody else say they got by beat in the NCAA finals by two guys that would move on to capture Olympic Golds"? To lazy to look up.......
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Good answer! I'd put McIntosh ahead of him, because Morgan beat 2 world champs. But Caldwell deserves to be in the discussion.
More on Mike Caruso; Back in the 60's freshman were ineligible to wrestle, therefore they wrestled fewer matches than today's collegiate wrestlers. Southern scuffles, Nittany Lion opens, team duals, et al were none existent so fewer matches were prevalent. Still, Mike Caruso ended his collegiate wrestling career 57-1, he lost that lone match as a sophomore. Had that not happened a tie would exist today between Mike and Cael, even though Cael wrestled nearly three times as many matches.
In 1967 I had the pleasure of being present in REC HALL to witness PSU's upset of the Engineers from Lehigh (known now as the Mountain Hawks). In that dual meet Wally Clark (Clearfield, PA.) wrestled Mike Caruso in a very competitive loss. (The same Wally Clark that showed me the lights at 95ibs in our home gym at good ole' BHS in 1961). More importantly though Vince Fitz from PSU upset previously undefeated (in dual meets) Joe Peritore from Lehigh. The final team score that night was 18-12, which came down to the heavyweight match, where our heavyweight (the best defensive tackle to ever play football for Penn State) Mike Reid defeated their grappler to secure the victory. In that match, our future head coach, Rich Lorenzo was also victorious. The din that night was deafening. Comparable (for those of a new wrestling generation) to Zain's victory over Logan and Snyder's regular decision over Nick.
Yeah, I was there as well. I remember Reid coming out and he looked like he was made out of steel. That was a fantastic experience.
Cael Sanderson: was talented but could never quite put it all together. Same with his coaching history
I had a roommate who was a “room guy” on that 67’ team. Your post brought back fond memories. Yes …. that was an epic dual. Mike Reid …. now there was a stud.
Umm ... one of these guys is a 2x NCAA champ and was OW one year.
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