Big 12 Officiating Crew Citrus Bowl

[Crazy Cock 89]

I hope the Appropriate Leaders and Representatives of our Athletic Department report their incompetence.

It may not have been the reason for our loss. But it did affect momentum .

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Umm, OK ?

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

The officials could have corrected the situation early but chose to allow it to escalate into a coach's pi$$ing contest.

Legal Substitutions—ARTICLE 2​

Approved Ruling 3-5-2​

I. Any player(s), in excess of 11, obviously is withdrawing but has not reached a boundary line when the ball is put in play and he does not interfere with play or players. RULING: Live-ball foul. Penalty— Five yards from the previous spot. II. After a change of team possession or any timeout, the ball is declared ready for play. When Team A has completed its offensive formation, Team B must promptly position its personnel. Team B will be allowed time to complete substitutions. RULING: Either team is subject to a delay-of-game foul—Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly (Rule 3-4-2-b-3) or Team A for causing the 25-second clock to expire. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding spot.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I'd rather our athletic dept. work to try to ruin Jason Autrey & his crew's lives.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I'd rather our athletic dept. work to try to ruin Jason Autrey & his crew's lives.

I don't think anything will change until we get full-time professional officials who are accountable for their performance.

 

[KingWard]

I don't think anything will change until we get full-time professional officials who are accountable for their performance.

The NFL doesn't even have full-time officials. Both NFL and college officials have other jobs - those who haven't retired from their chosen fields. I've known a guy very well who distinguished himself at BOTH levels. He was a middle school principal in Lancaster County and had stints as both an ACC and and NFL official.

From refrsports.com:

NFL referees are considered part-time employees, but the role demands a significant time commitment, especially during the season.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

The officials could have corrected the situation early but chose to allow it to escalate into a coach's pi$$ing contest.

Legal Substitutions—ARTICLE 2​

Approved Ruling 3-5-2​

I. Any player(s), in excess of 11, obviously is withdrawing but has not reached a boundary line when the ball is put in play and he does not interfere with play or players. RULING: Live-ball foul. Penalty— Five yards from the previous spot. II. After a change of team possession or any timeout, the ball is declared ready for play. When Team A has completed its offensive formation, Team B must promptly position its personnel. Team B will be allowed time to complete substitutions. RULING: Either team is subject to a delay-of-game foul—Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly (Rule 3-4-2-b-3) or Team A for causing the 25-second clock to expire. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding spot.

Not to be a jerk - because I do believe the sentiment that the officials should have done something - because I'm biased..... lol

But on the other hand, I tend to look at wording like that like a lawyer would and it's the specific word "promptly" that is the problem, IMHO....

It is not defined, and thus, subjective. That's a problem, and vague.... As others have correctly pointed out, as an offense, if you don't want to run into that problem - don't substitute in every little ticky tack situation. Line up and play. If you were successful on the previous play, obviously you have and advantage on offense with the defensive players in the game.....keep calling similar plays until they stop it.... don't insert a whole new "package" - it's stupid. While we don't like it, Beamer was outcoached there. It is what it is.

 

[KingWard]

Not to be a jerk - because I do believe the sentiment that the officials should have done something - because I'm biased..... lol

But on the other hand, I tend to look at wording like that like a lawyer would and it's the specific word "promptly" that is the problem, IMHO....

It is not defined, and thus, subjective. That's a problem, and vague.... As others have correctly pointed out, as an offense, if you don't want to run into that problem - don't substitute in every little ticky tack situation. Line up and play. If you were successful on the previous play, obviously you have and advantage on offense with the defensive players in the game.....keep calling similar plays until they stop it.... don't insert a whole new "package" - it's stupid. While we don't like it, Beamer was outcoached there. It is what it is.

While we don't precisely know what "promptly" is, people know "what it isn't" when they see "what it isn't" happening.

The other day, I didn't see "promptly" happening at the Hardee's in Blythewood when I didn't get my food for over a half-hour because the DoorDash orders were getting priority.

What was happening substitution-wise in our bowl game was a study in what "promptly" isn't.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

While we don't precisely know what "promptly" is, people know "what it isn't" when they see "what it isn't" happening.

The other day, I didn't see "promptly" happening at the Hardee's in Blythewood when I didn't get my food for over a half-hour because the DoorDash orders were getting priority.

What was happening substitution-wise in our bowl game was a study in what "promptly" isn't.

Exactly, and the officials could have used their ''judgement'' to put a stop to it and returned the situation to a football game instead of a coach bending the rules to compensate when their team can't man up one on one. Only having 5 seconds left on the clock to assess the defense and run the play was a clear disadvantage for Sellers. I understand that us not substituting was another clear option we failed to exercise. Fake injuries and substitution abuse have to be addressed by the SEC or further decline will diminish CFB to an unwatchable state.

 

[KingWard]

Exactly, and the officials could have used their ''judgement'' to put a stop to it and returned the situation to a football game instead of a coach bending the rules to compensate when their team can't man up one on one. Only having 5 seconds left on the clock to assess the defense and run the play was a clear disadvantage for Sellers. I understand that us not substituting was another clear option we failed to exercise. Fake injuries and substitution abuse have to be addressed by the SEC or further decline will diminish CFB to an unwatchable state.

I was not satisfied with our response, especially if it was something they had done before. We should have planned our countermeasures and sensitized the officials BEFORE the game.

 

[Viennacock]

I was not satisfied with our response, especially if it was something they had done before. We should have planned out countermeasures and sensitized the officials BEFORE the game.

Beamer was busy with the officials prior to the game getting T-bar approval.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Beamer was busy with the officials prior to the game getting T-bar approval.

I think all the HC's are competing for the next ''best gimmick award'' thinking it makes them look like they are doing their job but it's actually the opposite!

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

Not to be a jerk - because I do believe the sentiment that the officials should have done something - because I'm biased..... lol

But on the other hand, I tend to look at wording like that like a lawyer would and it's the specific word "promptly" that is the problem, IMHO....

It is not defined, and thus, subjective. That's a problem, and vague.... As others have correctly pointed out, as an offense, if you don't want to run into that problem - don't substitute in every little ticky tack situation. Line up and play. If you were successful on the previous play, obviously you have and advantage on offense with the defensive players in the game.....keep calling similar plays until they stop it.... don't insert a whole new "package" - it's stupid. While we don't like it, Beamer was outcoached there. It is what it is.

agreed- will have to quantify. Ex. must complete with 15 seconds remaining on play clock or risk 5 yd penalty. But then there will be another loophole that Belimia will exploit. He will then delay the offensive substitutions so late that the D would then not be able to do any defensive subs within the remaining time. Possibly a onetime D sub to be executed within 10 second's period.

 

[Viennacock]

I think all the HC's are competing for the next ''best gimmick award'' thinking it makes them look like they are doing their job but it's actually the opposite!

Very little risk in having a RB throw a ball 40 yards across the end zone, right? What could go wrong?

I have coached for many, many years. Youth and high school. The fake injuries by their coach and delays were 100% against the spirit of the game / rules. So was the fake t-bar. Both coaches were at fault in my opinions. The refs were enablers to the bad behavior and both coaches reacted very poorly.

My wife brought up a time in coaches pitch baseball when an opposing coach (who was pitching) held out his glove for the SS to throw him the ball during a live play. He threw it. The coach pulled away his glove and let the ball roll off the field while telling his players to run and score. The opposing team is supposed to throw the ball to their pitcher to kill the ball. Unethical as you can get but not against the league rules. My wife said what Beamer did reminder her of this baseball play. I struggled to disagree.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

The game and coaching used to honorable, but it is following the decline in human character in general.

 

[KingWard]

Beamer was busy with the officials prior to the game getting T-bar approval.

Oh, I see.

 

[USCEE82]

Very little risk in having a RB throw a ball 40 yards across the end zone, right? What could go wrong?

I have coached for many, many years. Youth and high school. The fake injuries by their coach and delays were 100% against the spirit of the game / rules. So was the fake t-bar. Both coaches were at fault in my opinions. The refs were enablers to the bad behavior and both coaches reacted very poorly.

My wife brought up a time in coaches pitch baseball when an opposing coach (who was pitching) held out his glove for the SS to throw him the ball during a live play. He threw it. The coach pulled away his glove and let the ball roll off the field while telling his players to run and score. The opposing team is supposed to throw the ball to their pitcher to kill the ball. Unethical as you can get but not against the league rules. My wife said what Beamer did reminder her of this baseball play. I struggled to disagree.

That's nasty. When I coached my sons in coaches pitch, there was a kid from the other team standing next to the coach doing the pitching who fielded the pitching position. I believe the other kids threw the ball back to that kid which resulted in time being called.

 

[Viennacock]

That's nasty. When I coached my sons in coaches pitch, there was a kid from the other team standing next to the coach doing the pitching who fielded the pitching position. I believe the other kids threw the ball back to that kid which resulted in time being called.

Same here except the coach doing the pitching would bait the players to throw to him.

 

[Thunderstick]

The refs hate us.