Levee is making 2025 his "make or break" year. Had he fired him, Levee would probably be "guaranteed" year three.
Bo Bounds saying that by keeping Hustler
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"You can fire him now or I'll fire you both later if it doesn't work out."
Yep.. I heard that one time early in my career.
I just don't know if two consecutive losing seasons will get you to a third. Not in this day in age, regardless of staff. If this year isn't a make year, I don't see him retained. The big question is though, what defines a "make" year.
Selmon ain't firing Lebby until after year 3 minimum. Probly not even then. Selmon is not looking at this team thru maroon colored glasses. He knows it was and still is a train wreck. Period
Concur, our schedule is beyond brutal again. 5 wins would be great. If Saban somehow became our coach next year he'd have a hard time winning 5. Where is Keenum when these schedules are made?
Every State fan thinks we've got a train wreck lol. Difference is, good coaches don't keep guys who run one of the worst units in college football. We could've fired Turner, who truly deserves it, and that would've calmed some stuff too.
We aren’t having a winning season. No way in hades. That’s not even what I want, I just want some evidence that this ship is beginning to turn the right direction. If we look as clueless as as we did last year, everyone needs to go.
I think the standards are still going to be pretty low for a "make" next year. If he wins five games and is competitive in all but a game or two, I think that will get him a year 3. Hell, if he gets 4 wins but is down to the wire in 4 or 5 more games (and I mean really down to the wire, not getting within 10 points at the end, but a ball bouncing the right/wrong way being the difference between winning and losing) I think that could be enough improvement to get him to year 3.
Selmon isn't going to be given the option. It's going to be "we told you to make him fire Hutzler last year and you told us to 17 off so now you will fire Lebby or we will fire you".
Selmon might not get off that easy either.
I disagree with Bo. Lebby keeps Hutzler this year, if Hutzler does not improve then he fires him next year, giving Lebby another year to right the ship.
Oh I know, but the whole what defines a "make" year and what doesn't is the gray area for me. If it is 5 wins, where are those wins coming from and who do you beat to get there?
Levee? Didn't you post a novella last night about respecting the program as fans?
Mullen’s first season. That’s what I want. Wins are honestly gravy. I just need to see a change in trajectory.
I get the impression that Selmon looks at State athletics from the perspective of a Blue blood.
He doesn't believe State can do better.
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Ahhhh, I remember a coach we had who felt the same way. But he could quote Winston Churchill
I suppose that is Lebby's call to make. I wouldn't roll with him after this season. I hope that I'm way off and he just needs players. In which case, I hope that we see some defensive talent pouring in.
Bo coming from the wrong worldview. He thinks Lenny has a chance to get this thing working. He doesn't....barring some miracle like us spending 50M and taking everybody's best players.
I’m afraid I agree. Talent can overcome bad coaching (see Chizik, Gene), but abysmal talent and at best questiionable coaching?
I'm kind of against canning the guy. He may never get it going but Lebby let him stay with Bama thru the post season and we missed out on decent transfers. Not sure who was recruiting DL prospects but they suck. I expect better this portal. If not and then we have a terrible DL ya gotta lay it on Hutzler. Personally I would replace DT this year. Reassess Hutzler after this season. I'm not too sure we are competing on a level playing field.
Isn't Hustler supposed to be a good recruiter? Pete Golding wasn't good at Bama but he had a reputation at a good recruiter and that has proven to be true. Certainly having a large bankroll and "all in" fanbase/administration helps piggly.
That statement was made when he was hired and everybody said " who??". They said oh yeah, great recruiter, SEC experience, yada yada
I too had a "make or break" year involving a Hustler, in about 1997.
I guess one advantage to your era was you didn't have to worry about pages getting glued together on a stone tablet?Mine was 20 years prior to that
In a weird way, I think the opposite is true. I think keeping Hutzler this season gives Lebby a bargaining chip for the end of next season. If we're down to week 9-10 or whatever next year and Lebby is on the hot seat, he can relieve Hutzler of his duties and make it seem like he's really making the tough decisions needed to make the team better. I think getting rid of Hutzler at the end of next season will buy him one more season with a new DC, probably an experienced guy that's been around for a while that will at least make the defense serviceable.
If he got rid of Hutzler this season and the team wasn't any better with a new DC, then he couldn't rely on the idea that the defense is the problem and would likely be gone at the end of next year.
We're probably the only university dumb enough to fall for that scheme, so maybe.
I fully expect salmon to be gone before the 2026 season so hopefully we can get big Benko in here and a rejuvenated Mullen from UNLV
Al 3 of them are responsible for this train wreck.
Having our Coach Die-was a huge punch in the gut. The smart move would hire a proven Head Coach and staff ( like Gus Bus) who could keep our program relevant--instead we did a risky move and it tanked big time--now we are digging out of a huge hole (Grand Canyon like). Like it or not we should ride with Lebby and see If He can produce.
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