Breaking: Michigan recruiting violations - will they get

[Prestonyte]

the Tennessee treatment or worse?
This looks like they are really making them pay
While the suspension and negotiations with the NCAA have not been finalized, the expectation is that Harbaugh would miss the first four games of Michigan's season. That includes four home contests in which Michigan is the prohibitive favorite -- East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green and Rutgers.

Source -- Michigan's Jim Harbaugh facing 4-game suspension - ESPN

 

[Big JC]

the Tennessee treatment or worse?
This looks like they are really making them pay
While the suspension and negotiations with the NCAA have not been finalized, the expectation is that Harbaugh would miss the first four games of Michigan's season. That includes four home contests in which Michigan is the prohibitive favorite -- East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green and Rutgers.

Source -- Michigan's Jim Harbaugh facing 4-game suspension - ESPN

If that is the total punishment, this is another case of the NCAA doing basically nothing.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Four games is a huge suspension for a head coach (1/3 of the season), and falls within the parameters of the penalty matrix - so this seems to be appropriate. Michigan is just lucky that they're playing bad teams those first four games.

I'd expect there to be a big monetary penalty attached as well, and probably some recruiting restrictions - just like Tennessee. The NCAA is moving away from post-season bans, or anything that punishes current student-athletes.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Make it 4 conference games and I'd be impressed.

 

[MrCockStrong]

Four games is a huge suspension for a head coach (1/3 of the season), and falls within the parameters of the penalty matrix - so this seems to be appropriate. Michigan is just lucky that they're playing bad teams those first four games.

I'd expect there to be a big monetary penalty attached as well, and probably some recruiting restrictions - just like Tennessee. The NCAA is moving away from post-season bans, or anything that punishes current student-athletes.

East Carolina
UNLV
Bowling Green
Rutgers

In principle, I agree that it's huge if he loses 1/3 of his pay for the season. But it's a snooze moment if it relates to the impact on the team's record. It is probable that Michigan could beat those four teams with 2nd stringers along with the interim head coach. Just as you stated: they're lucky that they're playing bad teams those first four games.

 

[18IsTheMan]

This is much like the mockery of a coach "randomly" picking a game against an FCS opponent to suspend a player.

Like UF suspending Jarvis Moss for the WCU game the week AFTER he blocked our game-winning FG try.

 

[Prestonyte]

Make it 4 conference games and I'd be impressed.

If you're going to impose penalties, make it hurt! Or it has no meaning and only encourages further violations.
What's the point if it is not a deterrent?

 

[Big JC]

If you're going to impose penalties, make it hurt! Or it has no meaning and only encourages further violations.
What's the point if it is not a deterrent?

Auburn showed the world how to cheat. Cheat big enough to win big and the NCAA will leave you alone. Look at clemson and the ostarine thing, if clemson hadn't been winning national championships the NCAA would have dropped the hammer on them. As it was, clemson was bringing in too much money to ESPN (who really runs college football) and to college football in general. If $cam Newton had been nothing more than a "good" qb at Auburn and Auburn had been behind Bama in the SEC West, he would have been declared ineligible for life, Auburn would have lost 30 scholarships and had a 5 year bowl ban.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Make it 4 conference games and I'd be impressed.

They took the first four available games, so I think that actually gives the penalty some credibility. If they would have chosen their four easiest games regardless of where they were on the schedule then I’d be rolling my eyes.

And really, with player suspensions and coach suspensions, there shouldn’t be a process of which games to choose - it should be the next available games where the suspension can occur. Again, Michigan was lucky with their easy first month.

Now, if they really wanted to add teeth to it, then they should say that he’s suspended the entire week of every game of the suspension - not just game day. That would really cripple a head coaches’ ability to lead the team.

 

[Prestonyte]

Auburn showed the world how to cheat. Cheat big enough to win big and the NCAA will leave you alone. Look at clemson and the ostarine thing, if clemson hadn't been winning national championships the NCAA would have dropped the hammer on them. As it was, clemson was bringing in too much money to ESPN (who really runs college football) and to college football in general. If $cam Newton had been nothing more than a "good" qb at Auburn and Auburn had been behind Bama in the SEC West, he would have been declared ineligible for life, Auburn would have lost 30 scholarships and had a 5 year bowl ban.

Rules enforcement and penalties imposed as a deterrent are a joke

 

[18IsTheMan]

They took the first four available games, so I think that actually gives the penalty some credibility. If they would have chosen their four easiest games regardless of where they were on the schedule then I’d be rolling my eyes.

And really, with player suspensions and coach suspensions, there shouldn’t be a process of which games to choose - it should be the next available games where the suspension can occur. Again, Michigan was lucky with their easy first month.

Now, if they really wanted to add teeth to it, then they should say that he’s suspended the entire week of every game of the suspension - not just game day. That would really cripple a head coaches’ ability to lead the team.

But they did exactly that. They "chose" the 4 easiest games on UM schedule. Unless it's clearly stipulated somewhere that suspensions must come for the first available game(s), there's no reason they couldn't stipulate it's 4 conference games. Or 2 conference games and 2 non-conference games. If they wanted to make it totally unbiased, throw all the games in a hat and let Harbaugh pick 4. Those are the games for which he's suspended.

That should actually be standard procedure. Make it luck of the draw for all player/coach suspensions.

 

[ToddFlanders]

But they did exactly that. They "chose" the 4 easiest games on UM schedule. Unless it's clearly stipulated somewhere that suspensions must come for the first available game(s), there's no reason they couldn't stipulate it's 4 conference games. Or 2 conference games and 2 non-conference games. If they wanted to make it totally unbiased, throw all the games in a hat and let Harbaugh pick 4. Those are the games for which he's suspended.

That should actually be standard procedure. Make it luck of the draw for all player/coach suspensions.

But first available is luck of the draw. You serve the first ones available when the punishment comes down. It’s unbiased and straight-forward - the way punishment should be. And they have one conference game in there.

 

[18IsTheMan]

But first available is luck of the draw. You serve the first ones available when the punishment comes down. It’s unbiased and straight-forward - the way punishment should be. And they have one conference game in there.

Meh, if it's not punitive, what's the point?

I think it is biased to say "it HAS to be the first available game(s)". Why? Where is that written? If it's not a written policy, that's just as arbitrary as picking specific games.

 

[KingWard]

It's symbolic, not substantive.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's symbolic, not substantive.

It's like sending a kid to his room for punishment when he has a tv and video games in his room.

 

[Big JC]

At the very least, Harbaugh should be barred from having any contact with the team or staff and not participate in any recruiting activities for the first four weeks of the season and have to forfeit 1/3 of his pay for the year (4 games is a third of the regular season).

 

[18IsTheMan]

At the very least, Harbaugh should be barred from having any contact with the team or staff and not participate in any recruiting activities for the first four weeks of the season and have to forfeit 1/3 of his pay for the year (4 games is a third of the regular season).

Well, that would be actual punishment.

 

[Ruffledfeathers]

First two games and last two games. Then it would typically include a rivalry game and also have playoff/bowl ramifications.

 

[Prestonyte]

It's like sending a kid to his room for punishment when he has a tv and video games in his room.

Exactly - no deterrent! If you're just going to send me to my room, I don't have a problem doing it again

 

[18IsTheMan]

Exactly - no deterrent! If you're just going to send me to my room, I don't have a problem doing it again

How many coaches out there who are doing what Harbaugh did will look at his “punishment” and think “boy, I better quit or that’ll happen to me.”