The Big 12 commissioner has proposed that there be 5 years of eligibility for football. What are your thoughts?
Buy/Sell 5 Years of Football Eligibility
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and feel it reflects the status of college life now. You almost need more than 4 years now if you don't want to take at least 6 hours of summer school each year.
I like it to. It would have helped a program that was trying/is trying to rebuild like ours, because we would have a lot more flexibility to try people like Elliott for example, or we could have saved a year on guys like Norwood and Conner.
We also would have saved a year on Carroll, to.
I guess my question is, does this mean that football players get to be on the team six years? That seems a little long to me.
We also would have saved a year on Carroll, to.
I guess my question is, does this mean that football players get to be on the team six years? That seems a little long to me.
and the way i understand it, all this rule does is eliminate the redshirt rule. Therefore, conceivably you could have a guy who is a 5 year starter.
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If so, it would be interesting to see how many top draft picks would stick around for a fifth year even though they could leave after their third.
Yea, I've heard this discussed before, and you're right, it eliminates the redshirt. It basically just allows you to play everyone for 5 actual seasons, except you don't have the option for redshirts. If a guy isn't good enough to play as a freshman, he would just sit the bench instead of getting to hold back a year of eligibility.
I'm not sure who this would help more. I could make arguments for it helping both the big programs and the small programs. However, either way I think you'd need to increase the number of scholarship players allowed to more than 85.
I'm not sure who this would help more. I could make arguments for it helping both the big programs and the small programs. However, either way I think you'd need to increase the number of scholarship players allowed to more than 85.
SwampDawg said:
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Now that I agree with. Why continue the farce? Sure, allow players the option to try to attain a degree if they meet the minimum requirements to attend school, but allow schools the ability to put a certain number of players in a football major. It would help eliminate the need for Sociology at Auburn and other such programs that exist at many schools. It'll never happen, but I'm on the side of the fence that says we're essentially denying a lot of guys the ability to try to pursue a career in professional football purely because they can't pass a math class. Last I checked, passing calculus does nothing to prepare you for reading defenses.
This'll bring back Freshman football, where some players can show their stuff in a real game, instead of spending all their time being blocking dummies.</p>
it's supposed to be COLLEGE football. Academics are supposed to be part of it. Also, what kind of message does that send to the other students, Bubba is good at football, so he doens't need to go to class? And then what about the thousands of HS kids that all think that they are the next big thing and really aren't? What about schools like Army? Football players don't have to go through basic training?RebelBruiser said:
A degree in sociology or general studies is better than no degree at all- or at least taking some classes so that a player can go back and finish in about a year or so.
That's my point. A whole slew of guys don't get a degree and are never intending to get a degree. They only go to class because it's required in order to play. When they finish their eligibility, they walk off campus never to set foot in class again.
I agree with the way things SHOULD be, but that's not the way they are. Some guys choose to take advantage of the opportunity, and that's great. That's why I say the opportunity should still be there. But for the guys that have no intention and no desire to get a degree, they should be able to try to pursue their athletic career without having to try to pursue a real college degree.
Tennis players often go pro without completing high school, yet no one complains about that. If a person has the talent to try it, school shouldn't be an obstacle keeping them from pursuing a career using their athletic talents.
There are a lot of guys every year that have the ability to potentially make the NFL that never get the chance because they can't cut it academically. What again does academics have to do with being able to run a 4.3, and what does it have to do with being able to pick up a blitz? Nothing. That's all I'm saying.
Honestly, I think the best answer would be for the NFL to fund a minor league comprised of football teams of players who are college aged. That way, college can do a better job maintaining the integrity of the student athlete, and guys who just don't do the school work (like a Chris Strong) have the option to continue their football career without having to attend classes. I use Strong as an example because he's the type of player that would never get a college degree, yet he has enough talent that he would have a legit shot at a pro career if he were able to develop further.
Of course, the problem with this is that the same colleges that want to maintain this academic integrity would be against an NFL minor league, because they know it might take players away from them. At the end of the day, they care more about winning games than they care about the future of these players.
I agree with the way things SHOULD be, but that's not the way they are. Some guys choose to take advantage of the opportunity, and that's great. That's why I say the opportunity should still be there. But for the guys that have no intention and no desire to get a degree, they should be able to try to pursue their athletic career without having to try to pursue a real college degree.
Tennis players often go pro without completing high school, yet no one complains about that. If a person has the talent to try it, school shouldn't be an obstacle keeping them from pursuing a career using their athletic talents.
There are a lot of guys every year that have the ability to potentially make the NFL that never get the chance because they can't cut it academically. What again does academics have to do with being able to run a 4.3, and what does it have to do with being able to pick up a blitz? Nothing. That's all I'm saying.
Honestly, I think the best answer would be for the NFL to fund a minor league comprised of football teams of players who are college aged. That way, college can do a better job maintaining the integrity of the student athlete, and guys who just don't do the school work (like a Chris Strong) have the option to continue their football career without having to attend classes. I use Strong as an example because he's the type of player that would never get a college degree, yet he has enough talent that he would have a legit shot at a pro career if he were able to develop further.
Of course, the problem with this is that the same colleges that want to maintain this academic integrity would be against an NFL minor league, because they know it might take players away from them. At the end of the day, they care more about winning games than they care about the future of these players.
There are a lot of people that are in college that don't intend to get a degree. They go because their parents make them.
I agree that the NFL doesn't care about their future, but at least most of their players are somewhat educated.</p>
I agree that the NFL doesn't care about their future, but at least most of their players are somewhat educated.</p>
Todd4State said:
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That's my point. Why do the players have to be somewhat educated?
I know that the NFL is becoming increasingly interested in character and intelligence, which suggests they'd prefer guys who have what it takes to cut it in college, but I still don't see why a player with the athletic ability should be denied a chance to use it based on shortcomings in the classroom.
The fact that college football is basically the only route to the NFL is where I have a problem. Baseball players aren't required to go to college to make the MLB. If they have the ability, they can make it without even a high school diploma if they fail to graduate high school. I just think there should be some form of similar option for football and even basketball players, though its less of a problem for basketball.
they will be productive when they retire. While I doubt that they care what happens to them when they retire, it wouldn't look good if all of their players end up on the streets because they can't manage their money either. And since a lot of teams in the NFL run complex offenses and have pretty complex defensive schemes, I could see where being able to read would be beneficial. It's not rocket science, but it's not that simple either.RebelBruiser said:
You're ignoring the fact that a ton of NFL and NBA players already struggle to manage their money, buying things they can't afford or having all their cash taken by the leeches around them. There are pro athletes that went to college that file for bankruptcy. Taking College Algebra or Comp 101 does not make them any more prepared for managing their money, and considering that many of them fail to get degrees anyway, they aren't anymore prepared for getting work outside of sports.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that most athletes learn how to read before they get to high school, at least at a basic level. I know, make your Jerrell Powe jokes, but the point is, reading is basically the only academic skill required to be able to learn a playbook. Last I checked, they don't teach reading at college, so I don't see how college courses do anything more to prepare players for reading a playbook.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that most athletes learn how to read before they get to high school, at least at a basic level. I know, make your Jerrell Powe jokes, but the point is, reading is basically the only academic skill required to be able to learn a playbook. Last I checked, they don't teach reading at college, so I don't see how college courses do anything more to prepare players for reading a playbook.
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