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Logic:
1) His recruiting efforts are mainly focused out of state and in his previous strongholds. UM doesn't seem to have an early "in" on many of the big instate guys. Rumor has in we may secure 75% of the Dandy Dozen.
2) In order for MSU to get the big name guys, they must be instate. We normally fought with UM on these guys, especially under O, in addition to Bama, LSU, Barn, etc. Plus we are winning, which influences them even more.
3) Let's face it, neither school will dominate instate recruiting unless the other allows it to happen. UM seems to not be recruiting many instate and allowing MSU to get a lead on guys who would other wise go to UM, whether it be because of family, town, coach, etc. Charles Mitchell comes to mind.
1) His recruiting efforts are mainly focused out of state and in his previous strongholds. UM doesn't seem to have an early "in" on many of the big instate guys. Rumor has in we may secure 75% of the Dandy Dozen.
2) In order for MSU to get the big name guys, they must be instate. We normally fought with UM on these guys, especially under O, in addition to Bama, LSU, Barn, etc. Plus we are winning, which influences them even more.
3) Let's face it, neither school will dominate instate recruiting unless the other allows it to happen. UM seems to not be recruiting many instate and allowing MSU to get a lead on guys who would other wise go to UM, whether it be because of family, town, coach, etc. Charles Mitchell comes to mind.
Though is it really a big deal to land 75% of the Dandy Dozen when over half of them won't be playing D-1 ball the next fall?
Just curious. I've said for a few years now that the new academic requirements by the NCAA (16 core hours instead of 14) will further deplete the qualified talent pool in the state of Mississippi. So basically I think there will be two avenues for Mississippi schools to go if they hope to have success. Option 1 is to recruit at least half of your class from out of state. That appears to be the option Nutt is taking and the option that Orgeron was even taking to an extent at the end. Option 2 is to recruit heavily from the Juco ranks.
I may be wrong about this, but given the past history of Mississippi players academically, I think any regulation that increases requirements will only further diminish the already slim talent pool in Mississippi when it comes to players who have grades. There will always be a handful of high school kids in state that are in shape academically, and there will be a big fight over those players every year, but for the most part I think you're going to have to do a lot of sign and place or start recruiting out of state to fill the rest of your class. We'll see what Croom chooses to do. My guess is he does a significant amount of out of state recruiting as well.
Edited to add: I'm glad to see us going out of state at this point. I think we have nearly triple the number of offers to out of state players as we do in state players for 2009. I think that says a lot about what our staff thinks about the grade situation of the guys in state. I've never been one to care about where a player comes from. Just get good players that have their heads on straight and win some football games. If our entire team was from the state of Texas, I wouldn't care, as long as they won games.
Just curious. I've said for a few years now that the new academic requirements by the NCAA (16 core hours instead of 14) will further deplete the qualified talent pool in the state of Mississippi. So basically I think there will be two avenues for Mississippi schools to go if they hope to have success. Option 1 is to recruit at least half of your class from out of state. That appears to be the option Nutt is taking and the option that Orgeron was even taking to an extent at the end. Option 2 is to recruit heavily from the Juco ranks.
I may be wrong about this, but given the past history of Mississippi players academically, I think any regulation that increases requirements will only further diminish the already slim talent pool in Mississippi when it comes to players who have grades. There will always be a handful of high school kids in state that are in shape academically, and there will be a big fight over those players every year, but for the most part I think you're going to have to do a lot of sign and place or start recruiting out of state to fill the rest of your class. We'll see what Croom chooses to do. My guess is he does a significant amount of out of state recruiting as well.
Edited to add: I'm glad to see us going out of state at this point. I think we have nearly triple the number of offers to out of state players as we do in state players for 2009. I think that says a lot about what our staff thinks about the grade situation of the guys in state. I've never been one to care about where a player comes from. Just get good players that have their heads on straight and win some football games. If our entire team was from the state of Texas, I wouldn't care, as long as they won games.
It may happen, but it kind of made me chuckle being that you're saying this on April 2.
Btw, sell - not on the prospects of gaining an edge on instate recruiting, but rather the fact that so many of the top recruits in MS are suspect academically. I think that is one reason Nutt is concentrating so heavily on out-of-state guys. He doesn't seem to believe in gambling. I don't mind gambling a little as long as you can win most of them. But, we'll see. I'm on the fence with Houston as far as recruiting goes. I've never been terribly impressed with his recruiting at Arkansas. Though, I thought he did a nice job of wrapping up the past recruiting class for the most part. He did back off on a couple of long-time commitments and lose out on one. But, maybe it's better in the long run since we'll enter Fall practice with a lot less questions than we've grown accustomed to with the incoming class. And, he brought a few quality players in that had not even been considering us.
At any rate, until something drastic happens in Mississippi education, both schools will have a hard time putting together consistently great recruiting classes who actually win games on the field.
Nutt is recruiting out of state guys right now because that is where his strongest ties lie at the moment. He pulled some guys from Arkansas to Ole Miss because he had been recruiting them for a while at Ark. and he had developed a relationship with them. He won't be able to do that for very long. Most of the best high school players from Arkansas end up at the University of Arkansas. Nutt has never had to recruit MS, but at Ole Miss...he will. It will take a little time to develop some pipelines here, but with guys like Nix on his staff it won't take long. We'll have the edge for the next year or two on in-state guys, but if OM starts having some success it will go back to being even.
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Edit to add: I agree with Brusier and someonestole, Nutt isn't going to take a chance on guys that aren't going to be able to get in. (Croom isn't really either) Maybe we'll win the State championship for recruiting, but it won't matter unless the kids make grades.
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Edit to add: I agree with Brusier and someonestole, Nutt isn't going to take a chance on guys that aren't going to be able to get in. (Croom isn't really either) Maybe we'll win the State championship for recruiting, but it won't matter unless the kids make grades.
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UM does a little better out of state than MSU does, and MSU does a little better instate than UM does. Not a big discrepancy either way.
We didn't have much trouble getting guys qualified last year. I think that last year was just a top heavy class of dumbasses, with Tig at the helm. Looks like alot of them may qualify anyway.
Nutt is not going after dumbasses now. And it seems Croom isn't either. He oversigned in 2007 because he knew a few weren't getting in. One of them, Antwon Dixon, is expected to sign again, if he's any good, that is.</p>
We didn't have much trouble getting guys qualified last year. I think that last year was just a top heavy class of dumbasses, with Tig at the helm. Looks like alot of them may qualify anyway.
Nutt is not going after dumbasses now. And it seems Croom isn't either. He oversigned in 2007 because he knew a few weren't getting in. One of them, Antwon Dixon, is expected to sign again, if he's any good, that is.</p>
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I like to follow recruiting. What's wrong with that? Oh, right. Nothing. Just answer the question and quit assuming I'm putting down precious Ole Miss. You are worse than I am about that.
Nutt alienated fans, some players, and a few coaches in Arkansas. If he can manage to do that in a state in which his position is worshiped by 95% of the state, he will surely piss off some HS coaches in MS. I can see some Dicenzo Miller type situations come up.</p>
I'll agree with that, though I still say that the number of heavily recruited players in state with grades will be small most years. And when I'm saying that, I'm not including guys like Anthony Dixon and Chris Strong who both made it but had a ton of work to do to get in. I'm talking solely about guys that you could go talk to today and know with at least 90% certainty that they will have the grades to get in school. When you're talking top athletes in Mississippi, there are typically very few that are sure things academically.
For example, of the 2008 Dandy Dozen, less than half would've been considered sure things academically this time last year, and there are still probably less than half that you could guarantee will be on campus this fall.
For example, of the 2008 Dandy Dozen, less than half would've been considered sure things academically this time last year, and there are still probably less than half that you could guarantee will be on campus this fall.
Who exactly is going to get in from that group who was suspect? Certainly not Tig? Maybe the Hat told him he would have to go to Iraq if he didn't study more.
"I don't recruit like O" nutt at the helm, I think things will take a downswing for the rebels when it comes to the amount of "stars" the rebels will sign. I could be wrong about that though, as dickie isn't the only benefactor from up the road and nutt may make inroads into ms. in time. Whatever happens, I don't think MSU will make a huge jump in talent. Maybe a jump, but we'll see.</p>
"the fact that so many of the top recruits in MS are suspect academically........."
How is it so many folks claim to know about the grades of students? I only know my kid's grades by asking them directly (they have known to lie) and by actually seeing report cards. But here, we have people totally unrelated to various students who claim knowledge of poor academic performance. Is it possible folks speak of poor grades as an excuse for not landing a specific recruit or failing to sign a specific recruit?
How is it so many folks claim to know about the grades of students? I only know my kid's grades by asking them directly (they have known to lie) and by actually seeing report cards. But here, we have people totally unrelated to various students who claim knowledge of poor academic performance. Is it possible folks speak of poor grades as an excuse for not landing a specific recruit or failing to sign a specific recruit?
if you've paid attention to recruiting in the state of Mississippi for any amount of time, it's no secret that our top athletes have trouble getting into school. And typically word gets out about players on what they have to do to get in school.
And therefore it's not a stretch to say that Mississippi athletes will continue to struggle to get in with increased qualification requirements. That's just the way it is and the way it always will be unless something changes drastically in the state of Mississippi.
And therefore it's not a stretch to say that Mississippi athletes will continue to struggle to get in with increased qualification requirements. That's just the way it is and the way it always will be unless something changes drastically in the state of Mississippi.
but MS has a little problem getting some of our best football prospects eligible to play D1 ball. A good number of them wind up either going JUCO or to a Hargrave type school in an effort to eventually gain entrance into one of the D1 unversities. This problem can only be growing with the raising of standards by the NCAA. Questiong the academic status of a top prospect or saying so many won't qualify is absolutely warranted in this state.
"rumor has it we may land 75% of the Dandy Dozen"
What the %**@ kind of rumor is that? You're talking about knowing what nine individual 17-18 year olds are going to do ten months from now? How do you not see the humor in that? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if ya'll do sign most of them. I just thought it was funny. And, like I said, it had nothing to do with my "precious" Ole Miss.
And, I did answer the question in my first post, btw. Come on, Goat Holder. Are you still posting out of frustration? The Memphis game was over a week ago.
What the %**@ kind of rumor is that? You're talking about knowing what nine individual 17-18 year olds are going to do ten months from now? How do you not see the humor in that? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if ya'll do sign most of them. I just thought it was funny. And, like I said, it had nothing to do with my "precious" Ole Miss.
And, I did answer the question in my first post, btw. Come on, Goat Holder. Are you still posting out of frustration? The Memphis game was over a week ago.
Is it just me? Or is it much harder to find qualified SEC football players in this state than it was when Jackie and Tubby were here? Maybe they just knew how to work the system better? Hell, all I know is it has become a major issue for about the last 5 years now.
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We may not know, but Goat's sources know who will be in the Dandy Dozen and they also know what they are all thinking.
I don't think it matters for **** one way or another. I DO think he is better than the last idiot that coached them.
but if you would take your lips off dickie's member he would appreciate it. He has to try to get his law license back for a few weeks right now.
Dickie post. This may be the last you see of.......Porkchop.
Dickie post. This may be the last you see of.......Porkchop.
Jackie and Tubby knew how to work the system better. O was a solid recruiter and did what was necessary, but still had a pretty big learning curve. We'll see about Nutt, but like Bruiser said, signs indicate he'll focus more heavily on out of state recruits. Croom has too much "character" to directly work the system. I think that's part of why he brought Melvin back. Let someone do things that need to be done, so long as he has no direct knowledge of it. Keeps him sleeping well at night (along with keeping his buddies employed).
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