Buy/Sell - Priority seating for baseball**
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because it is inevitable that we are going to expand the chairbacks. We also need a ticket exchange for baseball very badly so that we can fill the grandstand every game. Or maybe some kind of a computer system that figures out which ticket holders are there, and then the tickets go back on sale if they aren't there 30 min. before game time.</p>
I paid for those seats when no one else would twenty year ago. There would be considerable legal problems if a bought seat was not honored. Have no doubt.
I have people I sit around and converse with during a baseball game and have for years. Something that is more important at a baseball game than other sports. It just adds to the atmosphere Priority seating would 17 that up constantly.
Disclaimer: I have a pretty good priority with basketball seating so this has nothing to do with my personal priority. Yep, I am one of those old farts that sit in the grandstands, although I do the LFL bit before and after the game as one really, really can't watch the game in the outfield.
I have people I sit around and converse with during a baseball game and have for years. Something that is more important at a baseball game than other sports. It just adds to the atmosphere Priority seating would 17 that up constantly.
Disclaimer: I have a pretty good priority with basketball seating so this has nothing to do with my personal priority. Yep, I am one of those old farts that sit in the grandstands, although I do the LFL bit before and after the game as one really, really can't watch the game in the outfield.
With Polk gone, Baseball will cease to exist in a vacuum. The notion that we have a major sport where membership in the Bulldog Club doesn't matter for seating, parking, etc. is really sort of ridiculous if you think about it.
he was asked about priority seating for DNF and he said the same thing. He said he believed there were contracts in writing for DNF. So I don't think we'll ever see that with the current grandstand. We won't have to sell lifetime rights to sell add'l chairbacks.
..the reason of having guaranteed, up-front cash to pay for the cost of the expansion.
Sell the seats for 1K immediately + the instant income of the suites + Mrs. Dement's gift = no loan to pay off over time from uncertain bulldog club contributions for priority seating.
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Or... don't sell the seats immediately and have probably a $1M debt to retire over time. The safe option was to sell the seats.
Sell the seats for 1K immediately + the instant income of the suites + Mrs. Dement's gift = no loan to pay off over time from uncertain bulldog club contributions for priority seating.
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Or... don't sell the seats immediately and have probably a $1M debt to retire over time. The safe option was to sell the seats.
I have seen the documents same as you have and the letters Polkie sent out with thew concerning the expansion. You are exactly right in the assessment of why money was created before construction began. To keep from having to borrow public money that would have to be repaid after the fact.
I asked someone about the possibility of re-seating to generate money and they promptly pulled out all their letters . No way it can happen, and its not worth it to try either, the backlash would be CONSIDERABLY more than the hump. and its not needed, Big money people will want suites, and anyone else can have seats when the expansion occurs...and It will in time I'm certain.
I asked someone about the possibility of re-seating to generate money and they promptly pulled out all their letters . No way it can happen, and its not worth it to try either, the backlash would be CONSIDERABLY more than the hump. and its not needed, Big money people will want suites, and anyone else can have seats when the expansion occurs...and It will in time I'm certain.
with no close ties to any season ticket holders in any sport, I'd love to see them go to priority seating, but don't expect it to happen. It is bogus that just because people are old they can have a seat that I can't, but if there's a lifetime contract, that should be honored. I don't think they should be able to pass them on though. That's too far. If they are such great fans, then surely the BC points that they pass on (you get one transfer of those, right?) would be enough for their kids to get decent tickets.
Each time a season ticket comes open, make it available for priority seating.
Whatever idiot came up with the idea to let ticket holders pass their tickets on to someone else needs to be hanged, though. That's ridiculous. Does anyone know, does the contract state only the original buyer can pass them on (meaning it can only be done once) or can it be passed on indefinitely? Maybe a loophole can be exploited here.
Whatever idiot came up with the idea to let ticket holders pass their tickets on to someone else needs to be hanged, though. That's ridiculous. Does anyone know, does the contract state only the original buyer can pass them on (meaning it can only be done once) or can it be passed on indefinitely? Maybe a loophole can be exploited here.
I can assure you they do not have plans anytime soon if ever to reseat baseball. Expansion is quite possible and ticket prices will likely be going up, but those that paid for each seat will be keeping the seats that have their name. There is a waiting list for seats and a few actually do come available each year.
The original chairback sold for $250/$500/$1,000. I did not get the orginal but got mine thru another holder and had my name on the list. After I had bought my chairbacks thru the other holder, 5 games into the season, I had to buy another set and pay the upfront fee also. So if you get on the list there is a chance. I got mine about 5-6 years after they opened up after a 2-3 year wait. I have no records stating I can hand my tix down.
legally binding contract.
Say, would that be like the legally binding contract the original seat holders had at the Hump?
Say, would that be like the legally binding contract the original seat holders had at the Hump?
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If you don't have it and with it, it doesn't expire in 5 years or less, you will be behind.
At least against Ole Miss. I can't answer for the rest of the SEC.
At least against Ole Miss. I can't answer for the rest of the SEC.
Or spots in the leftfield lounge. Selling those spots for significantly more is coming as well. Get ready.
i've never bought season tickets, but i'm so fired up right now, i'm considering it. i can empathize with long time season ticket holders and how important their seats and neighbors are to them. they helped make msu base what it is just as much as ron polk or any player.
one thing i would like to see is some type of ticket exchange...something better than stub hub. it's very annoying to be forced into the bleachers when the chairbacks are 50% empty. i think the problem is that a lot of those folks would rather have the extra room than a few dollars back in their pockets, so they just leave the extra tickets in the sock drawer.
i'm sure you could take all the "permanant" seats and leave those be, then take the rest and have a priority. to just wipe the slate clean would create a **** storm the campus has never seen. just let cohen make his phone calls to see what kind of $$ he can drum up before changing anything like that. i bet we have significant contributions and record ticket sales before 2009.
one thing i would like to see is some type of ticket exchange...something better than stub hub. it's very annoying to be forced into the bleachers when the chairbacks are 50% empty. i think the problem is that a lot of those folks would rather have the extra room than a few dollars back in their pockets, so they just leave the extra tickets in the sock drawer.
i'm sure you could take all the "permanant" seats and leave those be, then take the rest and have a priority. to just wipe the slate clean would create a **** storm the campus has never seen. just let cohen make his phone calls to see what kind of $$ he can drum up before changing anything like that. i bet we have significant contributions and record ticket sales before 2009.
Business Law 101. Both you and MSU gave consideration. You gave $1,000 - $4,000. MSU gave the promise of seats for life as long as you continue to buy season tickets. That's a legally binding contract. The Humphrey Coliseum original season ticket holders didn't have a legally binding contract since they never gave up any consideration. So the Hump was fair game for reseating, but Dudy Noble is not.</p>
I have 4 chairbacks. If they go to a priority system, I would lose my chairbacks to someone. That someone would be a very large donor. That very large donor would not have to give anymore to the Bulldog Club than they do now to get my seats because there are so few of them anyway. In essence they would be redistributing my tickets to someone else. I would never buy season tickets again because of the way I was treated. So, in my case, they got no more money from anyone, and no more season tickets either.
A scenario that would ADD revenue would be to ADD chairbacks. That would give another $1000 per seat (or more), plus the ADDITION of new guaranteed season ticket holders.
Also, I would expect my $4000 back because they broke the verbal contract they had with me that guaranteed those seats as long as I bought season tickets. I have lived up to my side of that verbal contract. So, who knows, they may actually LOSE money on Priority Seating! What say you?
A scenario that would ADD revenue would be to ADD chairbacks. That would give another $1000 per seat (or more), plus the ADDITION of new guaranteed season ticket holders.
Also, I would expect my $4000 back because they broke the verbal contract they had with me that guaranteed those seats as long as I bought season tickets. I have lived up to my side of that verbal contract. So, who knows, they may actually LOSE money on Priority Seating! What say you?
told me what it would cost to get them and I paid it. They didn't promise me anything.
I understand your point, however.
I understand your point, however.
A ticket exchange for baseball would be such a hassle and lose money, the games that the grandstand has been empty for (when we are good..this year they were always empty) is usually non-conference midweek games..and they typically allow the grandstand to be open for those games, if they aren't open at the start of the game..they always allow the empty seats to be filled after the middle of the 4th inning i believe it is.
I would think the statute of frauds would mandate that contract be in writing. And I was under the impression that there were written contracts for these seats--maybe just the original purchasers have a lifetime contract and there are those that have found ways to get seats that dont'.
Expand the chairbacks to the fair poles.
Redo all the seating.
Make it like PSL's in the pro's.
Renew existing contracts as is with the addition of a 10 year limit. (current seat holders get seats until 2020-assuming we build it by the 2010 season).
The LFL spots would be under the same system.
Repeat again in 2020.
Redo all the seating.
Make it like PSL's in the pro's.
Renew existing contracts as is with the addition of a 10 year limit. (current seat holders get seats until 2020-assuming we build it by the 2010 season).
The LFL spots would be under the same system.
Repeat again in 2020.
Does any college BASEBALL program do this?
I admit i havent looked, but just glanced at how LSU is doing their new stadium and they dont, they are allowing existing seat holders to be moved to the same area in the stadium.
One solution I can think of is typically seats do become available , is to tier prices to buy your lifetime seat. Such as $4,000 for seats on the lower level behind home plate to the dugouts, $3,000 for the lower level past dugout to the current end of the grandstand, $2,500 for the upper grandstand behind home plate over to the beginning of the dugout line (same as lower level), and $2,000 for the rest of the current upper level to the current grandstand.
New grandstand chairbacks down the line should be a minimum of $1,500
I admit i havent looked, but just glanced at how LSU is doing their new stadium and they dont, they are allowing existing seat holders to be moved to the same area in the stadium.
One solution I can think of is typically seats do become available , is to tier prices to buy your lifetime seat. Such as $4,000 for seats on the lower level behind home plate to the dugouts, $3,000 for the lower level past dugout to the current end of the grandstand, $2,500 for the upper grandstand behind home plate over to the beginning of the dugout line (same as lower level), and $2,000 for the rest of the current upper level to the current grandstand.
New grandstand chairbacks down the line should be a minimum of $1,500
We set it up like PSLs. You bought the right to your seat for as long as you want to renew the tickets. It's how stadiums are paid off. Basically, you own the seats. I even think our names are on ours. The only way to legally do any kind of priority seating would be for the owner to end the contract, which they do by not renewing their season tickets. As the University gained more and more seats, they could set up a priority system for them.
They already milked the MSU baseball supporters for the last expansion, and they'll do the same for any future expansion. It's a good system, and it made the money it was supposed to. Legality issues aside, reneging on that would more detrimental to BC membership as it would piss the hell out of a lot of people that already give a significant amount. I could see an overall decline in BC donations resulting from reseating Dudy Noble.
They already milked the MSU baseball supporters for the last expansion, and they'll do the same for any future expansion. It's a good system, and it made the money it was supposed to. Legality issues aside, reneging on that would more detrimental to BC membership as it would piss the hell out of a lot of people that already give a significant amount. I could see an overall decline in BC donations resulting from reseating Dudy Noble.
I know first hand not only because we used it, but helped it get put in place. It is the same system used for basketball...and i use the term "used" lightly. If I'm not mistaken the most tickets ever exchanged for a basketball game was <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">13</span>. The baseball exchange was not used for the first time until the Ole Miss series, not once. <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">Vandelay</span> went to Atlanta for the SEC tourney and wanted to get people in our seats. We were able to work with the BC to get things in place to email them. I'm not aware that anyone else used it that weekend or the remainder of the year.
Bottom line is we all clamor for it and yet don't use it. We are with everyone here that it is nice to have, but those that have <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">chairbacks</span> need to use it. Maybe with the increased excitement we can see more demand in the <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">'09</span> season.
Bottom line is we all clamor for it and yet don't use it. We are with everyone here that it is nice to have, but those that have <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">chairbacks</span> need to use it. Maybe with the increased excitement we can see more demand in the <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">'09</span> season.
The current one requires the ticketholder to both find his buyer and collect from him. All the system does is cancel the original tickets and leave new ones at will call. A true ticket exchange would allow ticketholders to post their tickets for sale and buyers to purchase them over the Internet. With the extremely restrictive system we have in place now, it's no wonder nobody uses it. When I saw the details of the system, I could only think what a waste of time it was to even implement something like that.
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