Bye Bye Gordon!! NBA or Bust??

DerHntr

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jamont.....shot the ball extremely poorly, played a bit selfishly and even displayed some bad body language
I thought displaying bad body language along with bad language was required in the NBA.
 

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Get a new point!!

http://mvn.com/ncaa-mississippistate/2008/06/16/its-official-for-jamont-gordon-its-nba-or-bust/

I am kinda excited, maybe we can now get some chemistry.

Gordon did a lot of great things for MSU, but it was also tough for our chemistry
If by getting some chemistry you mean "Yippee we're gonna be 17ng terrible!" You're in for a treat!

I don't for the life of me see how you people think losing Jamont Gordon could be a good thing, he's one of the best players in the history of the school.

Talk to me after SEC play starts and tell me how glad you are that Jamont is gone and how great our chemistry is.

I think we can be fair, but it's time to give the guy his due. Just because he's not playing here any more doesn't mean he wasn't a great player for us. No Jamont, no tourney, and absolutely no shot against Memphis.
 

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itsthekingdog said:
If by getting some chemistry you mean "Yippee we're gonna be 17ng terrible!" You're in for a treat!

I don't for the life of me see how you people think losing Jamont Gordon could be a good thing, he's one of the best players in the history of the school.

Talk to me after SEC play starts and tell me how glad you are that Jamont is gone and how great our chemistry is.

I think we can be fair, but it's time to give the guy his due. Just because he's not playing here any more doesn't mean he wasn't a great player for us. No Jamont, no tourney, and absolutely no shot against Memphis.

damn you are a moron.
he was one of the best players ever at MSU. he was also a difficult guy to play alongside. BOTH things can be true.
and since many think both were true, that meant he was one of the best while killing team chemistry.

it isnt one or the other, both can exist. </p>
 

8dog

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not applicable here.

We just went from a tournament team to one that will be fortunate to win 7 conf. games.
 

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well we'd likely win more games but I'm still not sure we're a tournament team even with Jamont.. Hansbrough and Chuck were big losses.. especially Chuck (for my money the best player on the team last year)
 

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<span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> I still think that we have a shot at the tourney this year although the NIT is probably a more realistic goal until we see how the newcomers blend with our returnees.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> This coaching staff has always managed to land on its feet after early defections and there is no reason to think that it won't do so this next year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> The rest of the SEC, especially the West, had plenty of defections and lost plenty of other players.</span>
 

8dog

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has really had to deal with was mario. So unless there is an L-Rob type transfer out there then its going to be tough.

Points will be very hard to come by. Making the NIT would be some accomplishment.
 

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Put down the Captain Morgan, we have not shot in hell in making the NCAA without J-Money and the Porn Star Rhodes.
We will be very young and I am expecting a down year with a high learning curve.

I doubt we even smell the NIT next year.
 

patdog

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Losing Rob-ert Jack-son was addition by subtraction. Losing Gordon is going to be a huge blow.
 

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MSU's basketball season is an unknown.

With Varnado in the paint, the defense will be solid and Ravern was coming on by the end of the season.

A lineup of:

Bost
Stewart
Ravern
Osby
Varnado

With Bailey, Johnson helping out in the paint, really all you are missing is backcourt depth.

If Bost is as good as advertised I don't see why MSU shouldn't be competing for the west, the rest of the West should be fairly weak.

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8dog

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and this staff hasn't exactly groomed freshmen that great.
 

8dog

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before he is a go to guy in the post. He started develping last year but he'll need to get far better, particularly without rhodes down there.
 

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8Dog said:
and this staff hasn't exactly groomed freshmen that great.

I really think Gordon is the only freshman this staff has coached who is as good as Bost. I expect him to be an immediate impact player. I think Osby will be a work in progress next year though. </p>
 

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MSU could be just an NIT team, but you have the SEC's and probably NCAA's best defensive player. That is a pretty decent start.

You also have solid depth on the front court.

Osby was a national type recruit, the most comparable recruit to him would be Gordon and Austin.

I think Ravern is a wild card, he really turned it up the last few games, and could be a very solid player by the end of the season.

Also the SEC West should be pretty horrible next year.

Bama will be young, LSU could be ok, AU should be the same, Ole Miss has no front court, and Ark is starting from scratch.

Who should be considered the favorite in the West?
 

8dog

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You are right about that: the west is awful.

Everyone is losing critical players.
 

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I think Bost is the unknown. Plenty of guys have come into college basketball, and been huge as freshmen pg's. If he comes in and is the real deal, I think the dogs compete for the west this year.
 

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...but only because we're slow right now, and maybe it will bring MSUCostanza out of hiding.

As far as our success next year, it's definitely not a case of addition by subtraction. I agree that we won't be very good.

That said, the Jamont Gordon/Charles Rhodes era has been a very unsatisfying one for me. We had loads of potential, and what should've been the culmination of that potential ended up an 8 seed and a second round exit. In addition, Charles played with his head in his *** for at least 50% of his career, and Jamont made stupid decision after stupid decision off and on throughout his career. It just never seemed like Rick had control of the whole thing.

We will suck next year, but I am ready for a fresh start and getting the future of this program out on the floor sounds good to me.
 

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Does anyone think Kodi Augustus will even play? I think he could be a real surprise, but I must be the only one. Sure is lonely out on this limb.
 

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the cupboard is not bare. Granted we will be young but we have talented players. I am not expecting an SEC title but I don't think we will be horrible.

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Everyone on this board hates on "Randy" Stewart, but let's not forget that he still has a ton of potential. Ever heard of a sophomore slump? It happens. There's no reason Stew can't be All-SEC along with Swat this year. This is essentially their squad, and I think they will take a team approach to the way they handle things. It should be our best squad chemistry-wise since the teams around the '03 and '04 years.

I think Ravern could have a good year, and there will be lots of help inside with Elgin and BJ. I think Osby could give us good minutes, but we shouldn't have to rely on his production right away. Kodi will again be a huge question mark, and could just as easily have a huge year as he could be a huge waste of time. The rest of the bench won't be spectacular, but I don't look at it as a huge liability.

And then there's Bost. Everything we've heard about him points to his game being SEC-ready. If he can handle the pressure there's no reason we don't miss a beat this year, and again compete for the SEC West.

There's not a team in our division that can honestly say THEY are the team to beat. Too many question marks around the West. This obviously plays to our advantage, and if we can accompany some confidence with our raw talent, I see this team going back to the Dance. I know very few of you will believe this, and that's fine. If our young talent doesn't produce, and our returning starters don't improve, then yeah, we're headed to the NIT or staying home. But I think worst case we're a bubble team that slips up a few times and goes to the NIT as a high seed, and best case we're dancing with yet another Western Division title.

In the mean time, we should have another football season to enjoy, mixing in later this fall with what I think will be a surprisingly decent basketball season. A lot to hope for, but still possible to have a better year than last year at Davis Wade and the Hump.
 

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We're staring at a starting lineup of :

Turner
Stewart
Rav
BJ
Jarvis

Call me crazy, but the only time Stansbury has ever started freshmen in the past is when he absolutely had to. I don't see Bost or Osby starting unless they just come out of the gates on fire. Even so, can someone tell me who we goto with the game on the line? There isn't a single player on our team that will exactly strike fear into the hearts of opponents (offensively at least).

I'm not bashing the team, but if we barely got into the tournament with two NBA propspects and Hansbrough, I'm a little concerned about our chances this year.
 
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as you know, bost is coming from prep school, so he's almost like a junior college transfer and i look for him to start.
 

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a player like Jamont Gordon, nobody does. I think it's amazing that people think we'll be better by losing him.

I'm excited about the young guys too, I think Ravern will be a great player. Jarvis is awesome! And hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't see a freshman giving us anything like what Jamont gave us. I think he was the best player in the league last year.

I don't think Barry is very talented, he can shoot the ball fine; but he's not the type athlete (defender) I like to see on the court honestly. Stans will get us back to being good, but it won't be this year in my opinion.

Get it out of your system now, you'll be missing Jamont soon enough. On the bright side it'll be much easier to get tickets.
 

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Seinfeld said:
I don't see Bost or Osby starting unless they just come out of the gates on fire.

Trust me on this. Bost will start from Day One and will make the SEC All-Freshman team. Also, we didn't just barely make the tournament this year. We were a 9 seed. There were between 12 and 15 at-large teams that got in after us. And the way Hansbrough played with his head up his *** most of the season, we won't miss him all that much. Somebody said earlier that losing Gordon would be addition by subtraction. That's ********. But losing Hansbrough won't be the end of the world. </p>
 

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i agree on hans. i don't think it will be that big of a problem. i do hope that the fire that got into the guys near the end of the season concerning free throws carries into the upcoming season. with depth issues we can't afford to miss a shitload from the charity stripe. </p>
 

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AROB44 said:
Does anyone think Kodi Augustus will even play? I think he could be a real surprise, but I must be the only one. Sure is lonely out on this limb.

if he does manage to find his way onto the floor and ends up not sucking, that would be a huge bonus for us. he could be the big 3man that we never had. someone who has size and can shoot it outside, or come in off the perimeter and bang inside for rebounds.
having that option of Augustus/Ravern as long 3 men with an outside shot would be great. if not them, then its Turner, or someone like that, and we will continue to have a small 3G 2F lineup that will continue to get owned by other teams at times.</p>
 

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Even so, can someone tell me who we goto with the game on the line? There isn't a single player on our team that will exactly strike fear into the hearts of opponents (offensively at least).
Two Words. Riley Benock. Enough Said.

We're staring at a starting lineup of :
Turner
Stewart
Rav
BJ
Jarvis
There is no way Turner is starting next year, unless he takes his game to another level. He made Jamont decisions without the Jamont play making ability. It will be either Bost or Stewart at the point.
 
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