Can Franklin achieve what Harbaugh has accomplished?

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Not sure that Michigan has much of an edge over Penn State in tradition, facilities, etc., but the last two years has highlighted an overwhelming superiority for Michigan as far as talent and performance are concerned. What is Harbaugh doing that Franklin is not?
 

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Not sure that Michigan has much of an edge over Penn State in tradition, facilities, etc., but the last two years has highlighted an overwhelming superiority for Michigan as far as talent and performance are concerned. What is Harbaugh doing that Franklin is not?

Put his money where his mouth is. Harbaugh took a pay cut and bet on himself. I think Michigan knows Harbaugh wants to get back to the pros and they have an understanding. Franklin is or appears to be always looking (or pretending to) for his next move/payday. I also think Harbaugh is just a better X’s and O’s coach.
 

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Franklin laughs at hairball.

Like this:

Happy Mike Brown GIF by Sacramento Kings
 

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Not sure that Michigan has much of an edge over Penn State in tradition, facilities, etc., but the last two years has highlighted an overwhelming superiority for Michigan as far as talent and performance are concerned. What is Harbaugh doing that Franklin is not?
Harbaugh has 2 team captains heading out the door right before the CFP with one saying some bad stuff on his way out today. Team captain. Clearly he's doing something Franklin is not, and it's not in a good way.



 
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Harbaugh has 2 team captains heading out the door right before the CFP with one saying some bad stuff on his way out today. Team captain. Clearly he's doing something Franklin is not, and it's not I'm a good way.

Ehhhhh….. can you share a link? These guys aren’t playing in the CFP?
 

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I think he can and I was really impressed with the development of the team this year. They really need to formulate an offensive identity now that Clifford is gone and the remnants of delayed RPO game. I think Franklin made a understandable misjudgment years ago in constructing his roster/recruiting. I think when UM was down, he started thinking about building a defense that could stop OSU. Smaller D-linemen and smaller Linebackers that could cover receivers with an overemphasize on large numbers of Corners that were rangy. I think OSU(and much of college football) has followed a similar plan with roster development because the game has become so spread out and pass happy. A team like Michigan(and a burgeoning Illinois team) has really benefited from the influx of smaller more versatile defenders meant to defend the pass on opposing teams. What Michigan is doing now has become "uncool" but it makes a ton of sense considering the sizes of some of these defenses and what they were built to stop....and what they are not. The result? We have played OSU closer, maybe limited their passing attack, but we haven't really challenged them in years....and now Michigan has the formula to punch us in the mouth if we don't adjust some. Teams like Illinois, Michigan, and yes....Utah make us all nervous for a very particular reason. I don't blame Franklin, he was trying to keep with the trends, but its just so hard to defend teams like Purdue and OSU and then have to defend stylistically opposite teams that are smashing a FB into the line. You have to be able to take away one thing, very very few teams have the personnel take away both. Being able to run the ball and our increased production on offense should help either way.
 

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Put his money where his mouth is. Harbaugh took a pay cut and bet on himself. I think Michigan knows Harbaugh wants to get back to the pros and they have an understanding. Franklin is or appears to be always looking (or pretending to) for his next move/payday. I also think Harbaugh is just a better X’s and O’s coach.
I don't think he likes how things ended in San Francisco.
 

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I think he can and I was really impressed with the development of the team this year. They really need to formulate an offensive identity now that Clifford is gone and the remnants of delayed RPO game. I think Franklin made a understandable misjudgment years ago in constructing his roster/recruiting. I think when UM was down, he started thinking about building a defense that could stop OSU. Smaller D-linemen and smaller Linebackers that could cover receivers with an overemphasize on large numbers of Corners that were rangy. I think OSU(and much of college football) has followed a similar plan with roster development because the game has become so spread out and pass happy. A team like Michigan(and a burgeoning Illinois team) has really benefited from the influx of smaller more versatile defenders meant to defend the pass. What Michigan is doing now has become "uncool" but it makes a ton of sense considering the sizes of some of theses defenses and what they were built to stop....and what they are not. The result? We have played OSU closer, maybe limited their passing attack, but we haven't really challenged them in years....and now Michigan has the formula to punch us in the mouth if we don't adjust some. Teams like Illinois, Michigan, and yes....Utah make us all nervous for a very particular reason. I don't blame Franklin, he was trying to keep with the trends, but its just so hard to defend teams like Purdue and OSU and then have to defend stylistically opposite teams that are smashing a FB into the line. You have to be able to take away one thing, very very few teams can take away both.

Would be nice if he could keep his offensive coordinator around for a bit too….
 
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Not sure that Michigan has much of an edge over Penn State in tradition, facilities, etc., but the last two years has highlighted an overwhelming superiority for Michigan as far as talent and performance are concerned. What is Harbaugh doing that Franklin is not?
Successfully recruiting dominating o-linemen.
 

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They are not going to fire Tomlin and I don't see him leaving.
Worst thing for the Steelers was Tomlin winning the Super Bowl in his 2nd season. Given the Rooneys loyalty, it basically means a lifetime contact. The whole 'never a losing record' thing is such a joke that the media just choose to ignore. Looks at his playoff performances and how many of those, the team was just plainly out-coached.

Maybe in his first few years, he was a disciplinarian but now he's a phys ed teacher, who struts into the gym, and let's the kids do what they want. He's a parody of himself with these motivational statements like "standard is the standard."

I've long been hoping some network offers him a truck full of cash so he'll leave because that's the only way it happens.
 
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Successfully recruiting dominating o-linemen.
I think McCarthy (spelling?) is the difference. They were always big and physical, now they can put up points. They dominated OSU twice and PSU once with this style. PSU blew the 2021 game at home IMO.
 

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Worst thing for the Steelers was Tomlin winning the Super Bowl in his 2nd season. Given the Rooneys loyalty, it basically means a lifetime contact. The whole 'never a losing record' thing is such a joke that the media just choose to ignore. Looks at his playoff performances and how many of those, the team was just plainly out-coached.

Maybe in his first few years, he was a disciplinarian but now he's a phys ed teacher, who struts into the gym, and let's the kids do what they want. He's a parody of himself with these motivational statements like "standard is the standard."

I've long been hoping some network offers him a truck full of cash so he'll leave because that's the only way it happens.
He under achieved with Ben, Brown, and Bell.
 
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Not sure that Michigan has much of an edge over Penn State in tradition, facilities, etc., but the last two years has highlighted an overwhelming superiority for Michigan as far as talent and performance are concerned. What is Harbaugh doing that Franklin is not?
The Franklin Fan Boys will be along to inform you that Michigan should not be considered as a peer, even for performance comparison / benchmarking purposes.
 

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Think he’ll last that long? FSU might come calling…
I personally hope he leaves. I want to enjoy the fanboy nonsense that will engulf his "sainted" successor. The same wrath will rain upon Allar after a few games......I sincerely hope he understands.
I just like to remind every whiner that CJF will be here just about as long as he likes.....so all these what do we need to do to fix Franklin threads are feces.

What Harbaugh is doing is winning at 75% rate ....a few percentage points above the Michigan all time % of 73?
Franklin is a 68% and the 129 year win percentage at PSU is 69%. Of course no one here wants to factor in the first two years when he was dealing with sanctions. That is something that Harbaugh wasn't and isn't doing.

But never confuse fanboys with facts.
 

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I personally hope he leaves. I want to enjoy the fanboy nonsense that will engulf his "sainted" successor. The same wrath will rain upon Allar after a few games......I sincerely hope he understands.
I just like to remind every whiner that CJF will be here just about as long as he likes.....so all these what do we need to do to fix Franklin threads are feces.

What Harbaugh is doing is winning at 75% rate ....a few percentage points above the Michigan all time % of 73?
Franklin is a 68% and the 129 year win percentage at PSU is 69%. Of course no one here wants to factor in the first two years when he was dealing with sanctions. That is something that Harbaugh wasn't and isn't doing.

But never confuse fanboys with facts.

Man you a dawg.

god damn GIF
 

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Put his money where his mouth is. Harbaugh took a pay cut and bet on himself. I think Michigan knows Harbaugh wants to get back to the pros and they have an understanding. Franklin is or appears to be always looking (or pretending to) for his next move/payday. I also think Harbaugh is just a better X’s and O’s coach.
Harbaugh took a pay cut to avoid being fired. Interesting how you accept made up rumors about Franklin from uninformed people at keyboards as gospel. I continue to maintain that the difference between the truly elite is the lack of a difference maker at QB. See Clemson after Lawrence left. Hopefully Allar will change that.
 

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He built his team as he always has to win championships or contend for one. He adjusts and adapts as needed. Now osu is saying how do we adapt to beat Michigan.
Not you specifically but can anyone say "Recency Bias"? Michigan has been relevant for a grand total of 2 seasons and Harbaugh was on the hot seat just last year. It took a complete busted coverage against a 7-6 Penn State team for them to break through and the first win against OSU in his entire Michigan tenure for him to save his job...not to argue, but just for perspective. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Not you specifically but can anyone say "Recency Bias"? Michigan has been relevant for a grand total of 2 seasons and Harbaugh was on the hot seat just last year. It took a complete busted coverage against a 7-6 Penn State team for them to break through and the first win against OSU in his entire Michigan tenure for him to save his job...not to argue, but just for perspective. 🤷‍♂️
He said to trust him and he would turn the program around and did it. It’s his third time doing so and it is really remarkable that he did it his way.
 

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Not sure. There was the felony charge earlier this week too. Reports out today the Colts want Harbaugh and he wants nothing to do with NIL.
"and he wants nothing to do with NIL."

In other words, he's a lot smarter than he looks.
 
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