Re-watching games on youtube bc I enjoy pain. IA, Illinois, MSU, OSU- all painful but this game irritates me the most. We went toe to toe, defense mostly kept UM in check. Haskins was extremely tough back and everything flowed through him on O. We actually ran the ball decently but bone-headed fake FG and horrendous protection sealed it. The final TD for UM was unlucky as ref got in way and players collided on cross. Good call by Jimbo, CJF outcoached again. Still we take the FG instead of fake and not searching for TD at end. This play summarizes the clusterf of 2021. Can someone explain what Rasheed Walker was possibly thinking? I can't fathom it. Did he think Wilson was supposed to pull around? It makes no sense.
Can we just fix WTF happened on this play?
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Re-watching games on youtube bc I enjoy pain. IA, Illinois, MSU, OSU- all painful but this game irritates me the most. We went toe to toe, defense mostly kept UM in check. Haskins was extremely tough back and everything flowed through him on O. We actually ran the ball decently but bone-headed fake FG and horrendous protection sealed it. The final TD for UM was unlucky as ref got in way and players collided on cross. Good call by Jimbo, CJF outcoached again. Still we take the FG instead of fake and not searching for TD at end. This play summarizes the clusterf of 2021. Can someone explain what Rasheed Walker was possibly thinking? I can't fathom it. Did he think Wilson was supposed to pull around? It makes no sense.
ya know, I think this pretty much sums up Walker for me. All the physical traits in the world, but he just wasn't all there mentally. No idea if it was a cognitive issue, a focus issue, both, something else.... but he just didn't seem to care. I'd love to get @SJLuvsLions and @TFrankCarr X's and O's/coaching take on this. Based on what my eyes tell me from what Wilson did and Miranda's reaction, it sure smells like Walker was clueless.... THIRD YEAR, HIGHLY TOUTED WALKER, was clueless.... I'm so glad he's gone....
I think it is one of two things. The center made the wrong call. But by his reaction, I don’t think so. Or Walker made a mental error attempting to double with the guard versus handling the end. I would agree with the comment that Walker was not always locked in mentally. He was looks like Tarzan thinks like cheetah.
i keep watching this and it's not like the DL even ran games. All Ojabo did was straight up rush the passer. He even paused momentarily like "uuuuuuhh..... ok?"
LT definitely a misunderstanding(not knowing) the assignment. Maybe there is a similar call where the back or TE in motion would be picking up the defensive end but the last minute changes at the LOS(instead of a huddle) are confusing some players or some are not mentally there to make the quick adjustment based on the play call and the center adjusting/modifying things based on defensive front. I am sure the LT has the physically ability to make the block, the majority of the problems of the OL is knowing who is blocking who(knowing their assignments). I chalk this problem up to the Offensive Line(or some players) not being prepared for what they are going to see in the game. They should be prepared for the defensive front they will see from each opponent and how to adjust the plays, this is what game week practice is for. I don't think we can just blame the player here.
I cannot believe some of you go back and watch misery again.
I am not expert on OL blocking schemes but I agree. Ojabo lined up across from Walker and RW said 'mehh, someone else has him. I believe this play requires me to step in front of guard and block no one"
It is hard but when you know outcome and emotions are down, then can really see problem severity.
It is really this. Watching the protection breakdowns, it really appeared that OL just ran the play and really struggled with adjusting to D front changes. I thought RW was really bad last year. I am sure MY's system probably confused hell out of him. The RB blocking was also some of worst I have ever seen. Lovett and Lee whiffed so many times that I am shocked Cliff is still playing football. It was that bad.
I don’t wanna pick on Rasheed too much but we played against him in high school. I don’t think he was ever taught how to play the line correctly. He was a big strong kid who could move but he had poor technique.
It’s back when I believe he was still in junior high but it’s the same coaching staff, we were playing them in a playoff game and noticed some crazy things on film. They were undefeated and a heavy favorite to get to The 4a state championship game. we noticed that they regularly ran a lot of plays where they weren’t lined up correctly and had ineligible receivers down the field.
Defensively their coaches also made crazy play calls where they went worse than cover zero, they would go cover negative one. By that I mean if we had two receivers lined up they would blitz everybody except the corner covering one receiver, so if your quarterback could pick up which receiver was being blitzed from then you had a free touchdown, which we did in the playoff game.
So my guess is that he just had no idea of a mental side of how to play football because of such poor coaching in high school.
It’s back when I believe he was still in junior high but it’s the same coaching staff, we were playing them in a playoff game and noticed some crazy things on film. They were undefeated and a heavy favorite to get to The 4a state championship game. we noticed that they regularly ran a lot of plays where they weren’t lined up correctly and had ineligible receivers down the field.
Defensively their coaches also made crazy play calls where they went worse than cover zero, they would go cover negative one. By that I mean if we had two receivers lined up they would blitz everybody except the corner covering one receiver, so if your quarterback could pick up which receiver was being blitzed from then you had a free touchdown, which we did in the playoff game.
So my guess is that he just had no idea of a mental side of how to play football because of such poor coaching in high school.
somebody messed up. The LT? blocks run, so did he not get the call. The LG? who knows what he is doing. the QB? he has a free runner, does not see him, does not go hot. CJF? for a poorly designed play? for poor communication?
Now to me this play is more concerning..... QB take too long? Receivers not open? RB definitely takes the wrong man. He was 1-1 on LBer, and that is who made the play.
revisionist history. HIs stock plunged when he played hurt, plus he never recovered, couldnt work out at the combine or his pro day at PSU. Injuries took their toll. Hope he is better for camp.
Everyone has their own opinion and knowledge of what the problems were... we will just agree to disagree.
so you are saying its my opinion that he was hurt, and that it is my opinion he couldnt work out at the combine, and it is my opinion he couldnt work out at PSU pro day? Do I have that right? TIAEveryone has their own opinion and knowledge of what the problems were... we will just agree to disagree.
And what benefit did you gain since you gave zero say or impact on any discrepancies being corrected?
And here i was thinking... wait, it's 3rd down and there's still 14:50 on the freaking clock? Guess we planned well for controlling the action...
yes, i'm making light of an awful sequence of plays in a must win game. That was how we came out of the locker room... clearly prepared (roll eyes). And still it was a game we had a shot at... that of itself was amazing.
yes, i'm making light of an awful sequence of plays in a must win game. That was how we came out of the locker room... clearly prepared (roll eyes). And still it was a game we had a shot at... that of itself was amazing.
If I am looking at the correct play(where the LB comes up the middle and sacks QB), there could be several issues with this. I recall some blocking schemes call for Big on Big which means OL is only responsible for the guys down in a 3 pt stance and the RB is responsible for LB if he blitzes. In this case, the LB blitzed(a little delayed) and the RB was already looking outside to help out when he should have seen the LB blitzing. OR the center could have peeled off the double team with the LG and picked up blitzing LB which would have allowed QB to step up into pocket to buy a little more time. This looked like deep QB drop which tells me the routes being run by receivers could take little longer. Also, if LB was blitzing, the middle drag route should have been open for him to dump it off. Isn't it a fundamental thing that a receiver should be open where the blitzing player is coming from? It seems like the players are not being taught all they need to be aware of for each weeks opponents when it comes to the offense. I mean will struggle with the lesser teams too when we should be blowing them away with superior athletes and coaching right?
I am mostly a Clifford defender, but the single thing that bothered me most about that entire game was the last series. We are down 4 points, plenty of time on the clock. Nobody in the stadium or watching on TV thought our offense would possibly punch in a TD and win that game, but that last series didn't even try. Not one first down even and just the offensive equivalent of a white flag. Here is what I got:
1st & 10: Deep pass to Cam Sullivan Brown(?) into double coverage. Not a bad throw, but would have needed to be perfect...incomplete
2nd & 10: Little cross and sit by Melik Meiga(?) catches it for 8 yards, falls down like he was shot.
3rd & 2: Clifford locks onto Dotson who beat his man inside but throws a high bullet and the saftey was cheating to dotson all the way, he meets dotson as does the ball and dislodges the ball and maybe knocks dotson unconscious.
4th & 2: Clifford just says "fug" it and launches yet another deep pass to Cam Sullivan but throws it out of bounds so Cam doesn't even have a chance at a miracle catch.
GAME
2 receivers who barely play all year long get targeted 3 times, two passes of which were very low percentage down field passes. There is 3:00 on the clock so a run is an option(although I guess we had given up on running the ball entirely). No Parker Washinton, nothing out of the back field, no tight ends, no creativity. I don't know if MY had surrendered play calling at that point or what, but whoever called those plays with that personnel was paid way too much for that series of calls.
1st & 10: Deep pass to Cam Sullivan Brown(?) into double coverage. Not a bad throw, but would have needed to be perfect...incomplete
2nd & 10: Little cross and sit by Melik Meiga(?) catches it for 8 yards, falls down like he was shot.
3rd & 2: Clifford locks onto Dotson who beat his man inside but throws a high bullet and the saftey was cheating to dotson all the way, he meets dotson as does the ball and dislodges the ball and maybe knocks dotson unconscious.
4th & 2: Clifford just says "fug" it and launches yet another deep pass to Cam Sullivan but throws it out of bounds so Cam doesn't even have a chance at a miracle catch.
GAME
2 receivers who barely play all year long get targeted 3 times, two passes of which were very low percentage down field passes. There is 3:00 on the clock so a run is an option(although I guess we had given up on running the ball entirely). No Parker Washinton, nothing out of the back field, no tight ends, no creativity. I don't know if MY had surrendered play calling at that point or what, but whoever called those plays with that personnel was paid way too much for that series of calls.
Hardly Clifford to blame. He got pounded all game and obviously the play-call was quick throws to avoid rush. Why is CSB even in there on critical series? This is CJF/MY.
Dude, I can hear you when you yell at the TV, you’re really loud.
Nah, they just don't know who to block...Our offensive linemen easily let go (of their blocks).
May I suggest that every team has episodes of these sort of “shat-the-bed” plays from time to time?
Haven’t you heard? The FTC is stepping in, claiming that PSU has a monopoly on sh|tting the bed.
Are these poopy beds at the Penn Stater Hotel or The Nittany Lion Inn? Asking for an RFQ friend.
100%, but Clifford does deserve blame for throwing the ball out of bounds on 4th down. A Franklin mortal sin. Gotta give your guy a chance there
True cause you never know he might get a pass interference penalty, That is if you’re anybody except Penn State.
On fourth and two in a must score situation I can't imagine anyone thinks there is a worse option than throwing the ball out of bounce.
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