Carey Booth wants out

OhioLion

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Someone with more knowledge than me answer this question.
Why ask for a release from your scholarship when you can simply enter the portal?
TIA

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So now we will see if Pat Craft is the AD we all hoped for. PSU is in no way a BB school.....never has been and not recognized as such. At the present time, PSU is definitely a stepping stone school for better jobs...If an under the radar coach comes to PSU, and can win in the B1G, arguably the toughest BB conference....they can go anywhere. Coach Shrews gambled on himself and won....PSU needs to get a new under the radar coach with either ties to Pa or none at all. A $4million buyout is silly since that small won't stop any BB school from getting their man....yet balancing what will be accepted by a new coaching prospect is delicate. Losing Shrews is bad....but losing our commits is worse when trying to develop a program.
 
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Why not just hire someone that can make psu a basketball school?
Pay Me Bitch Better Have My Money GIF
 

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Why not just hire someone that can make psu a basketball school?
Might help lend some perspective by considering a similar situation that doesn't involve a program to which we have emotional ties:

Why doesn't Indiana just "hire someone that can make IU a football school"? That would certainly be a lot more impactful (potentially) for IU, than "turning PSU into a basketball school" would be for PSU.

So, why doesn't IU do that? Do they have some strong desire to NOT go to the Rose Bowl or enter the CFP? Are they just "stupid"?
What would it take for IU to sell out Memorial Stadium and compete for B10 championships (or at least decent bowl games)?
Maybe there is more to it than that.
 

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Why not just hire someone that can make psu a basketball school?
That requires commitment and adding resources to a program that plays on the cheap.
Im ok with playing in the cheap.

You guys who want to ***** about Shrew “lacking loyalty” had best wake up and smell the coffee.

If you want competitive and winning basketball you have to find a way to pay the coach in order to keep him, build NIL to pay for player acquisition, find $ to market like hell to get bodies at the BJC, and come up with more $ for assistants and program expenses and working capital.

I’m ok with losing seasons and finishing deep in the bottom half of the B1G. I’m not ok with the University pretending they are doing what they have to do to keep up with the Jones. Let’s just be honest, set our expectations accordingly, and move on.
 

GrimReaper

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Someone with more knowledge than me answer this question.
Why ask for a release from your scholarship when you can simply enter the portal?
TIA

OL
Two reasons:

a. player would have to first enroll in the school to which he doesn't want to go in order to enter the portal; and

b. player would use a year of eligibility by doing a., not that it matters much these days.
 

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Might help lend some perspective by considering a similar situation that doesn't involve a program to which we have emotional ties:

Why doesn't Indiana just "hire someone that can make IU a football school"? That would certainly be a lot more impactful (potentially) for IU, than "turning PSU into a basketball school" would be for PSU.

So, why doesn't IU do that? Do they have some strong desire to NOT go to the Rose Bowl or enter the CFP? Are they just "stupid"?
What would it take for IU to sell out Memorial Stadium and compete for B10 championships (or at least decent bowl games)?
Maybe there is more to it than that.
Lol. Iu is not psu and doesn’t have psu alumni base etc. if you build something here then people will donate here. 1 NCAA in 12 years doesn’t build anything.
 

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That requires commitment and adding resources to a program that plays on the cheap.
Im ok with playing in the cheap.

You guys who want to ***** about Shrew “lacking loyalty” had best wake up and smell the coffee.

If you want competitive and winning basketball you have to find a way to pay the coach in order to keep him, build NIL to pay for player acquisition, find $ to market like hell to get bodies at the BJC, and come up with more $ for assistants and program expenses and working capital.

I’m ok with losing seasons and finishing deep in the bottom half of the B1G. I’m not ok with the University pretending they are doing what they have to do to keep up with the Jones. Let’s just be honest, set our expectations accordingly, and move on.
Didn’t he get paid well? Didn’t we offer him more after only one!!! Good season with half of chambers team?
 

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Lol. Iu is not psu and doesn’t have psu alumni base etc. if you build something here then people will donate here. 1 NCAA in 12 years doesn’t build anything.
Donate to build at PSU? How are the upgrades to Lasch/Holuba being financed?

If donations are a measure of being a "football school", Northwestern is at the top og the Big Ten heap.
 
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HarrisburgDave

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Didn’t he get paid well? Didn’t we offer him more after only one!!! Good season with half of chambers team?
Look what he did “with Chambers guys”. More than Chambers ever did.

Who had that team ready to peak at the right time?

Who outcoached teams with more athletes and better players?

Other teams saw him do that. He raised his value and cashed in. Penn State was not willing or able to meet the market price.

The program is now a dumpster fire. Penn State will either 1. Spend their way out of it, or 2. Continue to play on the cheap, with salaries, NIL and other expenditures near the bottom of the B1G. I’m fine with 2.

Let’s quit this nonsense of whining when coaches and players see what’s going on and choose to go elsewhere.

Quit your complaining when, on those rare occasions PSU finds themselves with 18 wins and on the tournament selection bubble, they find other teams with a stronger commitment picked over them. Others will know what a fluke it is.
 
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razpsu

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Davidm summed it up nicely in the Friday morning thread.
 

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The B1G has the most lucrative TV contract in college sports. There is zero reason PSU couldn’t outspend 85% of all college basketball programs if it wanted to. But - does it want to?
 

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The B1G has the most lucrative TV contract in college sports. There is zero reason PSU couldn’t outspend 85% of all college basketball programs if it wanted to. But - does it want to?
Couple things:

1) PSU, as of this moment, still has one of the lowest Men's Basketball budgets in the B10. No doubt
2) That said, nationwide, PSU, as of this moment, is probably just about at the "outspend 85%" you noted wrt all other D1 programs (350ish of them)
3) PSU has already increased its Men's Basketball spend by around 60% over the last few years
4) Based on the reports of what PSU offered Shrewsberry, PSU would have jumped up to about the top 30 nationwide if Shrewsberry "took the deal" (Well above the "more than 85%" mark - so it certainly would appear they (PSU ICA) were more than willing to go to that level of spending - and might just do that with their next hire. FWIW, salary of the Head Coach is a HUGE factor in overall spend for all the major conference basketball programs - much more so than in, for example, football. In basketball, coach salary is a MUCH higher part of the overall spend - at times approaching 1/2 of the total budget - and thus greatly influences standing relative to overall program spending.)
5) And this is more than a minor consideration: I do not think there are any trophies handed out for "outspending" the competition. I certainly hope and expect "spending" per se is not a goal in and of itself (I expect you agree).

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