Casey not a candidate according to Veazey's blog**
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with your central theme here. But, why don't you think this is a $500,000 per year job? Because we weren't paying Polk that?
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but that wasn't my point. Point was the 4 mil talks alot louder than anything around 500K, give or a take 100 g's.
what I don't like, but I don't like the "I'm not a candidate, (but, really I am)" game.
I don't understand why coaches just can't keep their mouth shut until the situation reaches a final resolution. Now, in all fairness, Casey might have reached that point. But, all these damn football coaches -- why can't they understand their is nothing wrong with "no comment."
I don't understand why coaches just can't keep their mouth shut until the situation reaches a final resolution. Now, in all fairness, Casey might have reached that point. But, all these damn football coaches -- why can't they understand their is nothing wrong with "no comment."
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other teams with coaching vacancies shouldn't contact other teams coaches until after the respective seasons. More or less "no comment" means I'm interested, or at least it's portrayed that way. With Casey, the season's over, so I think he means what he says, plus the money issue.
Raffo's chances? Because I don't. I don't think he is helping or hurting. I would hope that Polks comments about what he wants in the next coach barely rise the level of a distraction to Byrne.
I think Raffo is a last resort hire no matter what Polk says or doesn't say.
I think Raffo is a last resort hire no matter what Polk says or doesn't say.
that if Polk would have campaigned for Tommy in private then he'd have a chance. Instead, he publicly backed Byrne (and Vance Watson) into a corner and, to make matters worse, caused the fan base to choose sides.
Now, there will be some upset people no matter who he hires. Byrne will either be the puppet that did what he was told or this young guy that dared to turn his back on a very popular coach.
RP should have kept his mouth shut, pushed for Raffo behind the scenes and then let the chips fall. He could have left with his dignity intact if it didn't go his way. And Byrne could have then hired somebody, sprung him on us and it would have all been forgotten until next March.
Now, there will be some upset people no matter who he hires. Byrne will either be the puppet that did what he was told or this young guy that dared to turn his back on a very popular coach.
RP should have kept his mouth shut, pushed for Raffo behind the scenes and then let the chips fall. He could have left with his dignity intact if it didn't go his way. And Byrne could have then hired somebody, sprung him on us and it would have all been forgotten until next March.
I think Polk promised him the job. And I think Raffo bought into that without contemplating that perhaps Polk was making a promise he didn't have the power to keep -- sort of like a President promising to pass legislation. He might have varying influence on the process, but utlimately can't force it to happen.
So, Raffo has essentially be lied to. Raffo would have been much better served, if his career goal was to be the next MSU coach, to go get a job as a head coach somewhere else and then lobby for the MSU job upon Polk's retirement.
So, Raffo has essentially be lied to. Raffo would have been much better served, if his career goal was to be the next MSU coach, to go get a job as a head coach somewhere else and then lobby for the MSU job upon Polk's retirement.
And it sucks for him that he relied on that promise. Because he could have easily gotten a head coaching job and built his resume so he could have been a legitimate candidate for the job now (or not depending on his record). He should have looked at McMahon's example instead of relying on a promise Polk had no business making.
and say that casey wasn't necessarily our first choice. it's just that he is the only one that wasn't still playing. if cohen and kentucky were at home, we'd be seeing a "cohen contacted" blog entry and so on. byrne is just going through the feeling out process, and i commend him for even contacting casey. that's beetter than the standard "we won't get a coach like that, anway, so..." way of msu thinking.
I admire Pat Casey for winning two college world series. I admire him for building a program in the Pacific Northwest. I admire him for being a great family man with high moral values.
I am, however, glad that he is not a candidate for the job at MSU.
If Pat Casey was from anywhere this side of the Rocky mountains, he would probably be my top choice. But the west coast and especially the pacific northwest is alot different than the South. I think we need someone who can come in and devote 100% of his thoughts and efforts to returing Mississippi State baseball to the top, rather than having to learn to adjust to life in a new part of the country while taking on a job that is going to be very very demanding.
I am, however, glad that he is not a candidate for the job at MSU.
If Pat Casey was from anywhere this side of the Rocky mountains, he would probably be my top choice. But the west coast and especially the pacific northwest is alot different than the South. I think we need someone who can come in and devote 100% of his thoughts and efforts to returing Mississippi State baseball to the top, rather than having to learn to adjust to life in a new part of the country while taking on a job that is going to be very very demanding.
has dwindled down to a few like KB21. I think the worst thing that Polk has done is tear down Cohen in front of the players. Where does everyone think the "He's going to yell at us." came from?</p>
in the cods for not retiring after the CWS last year. That was his only real shot at the job. Of course I'm glad he didn't but I do wish Tommy well at another non SEC school. I just believe hiring him would be the baseball version of Rocky's stint in football.
at all as to whether Raffo would be successful or not. That's the problem. We don't have any indications of how we do as head coach of our program, because we can't look how he has done somewhere else.
It's sort of like the chance we took with Croom. We might or might not have had to take that chance in football. We don't have to take that chance in baseball.
Will hiring someone that isn't a proven head coach work out sometimes? Sure it will. But, its a crap shoot. Raffo might go somewhere and be successful. If he is, I hope we put him on our list that our AD supposedly maintains all the time.
It's sort of like the chance we took with Croom. We might or might not have had to take that chance in football. We don't have to take that chance in baseball.
Will hiring someone that isn't a proven head coach work out sometimes? Sure it will. But, its a crap shoot. Raffo might go somewhere and be successful. If he is, I hope we put him on our list that our AD supposedly maintains all the time.
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A.) He's only been average as an assistant.
B.) The fact that no one has really gone after him to be their HC, or at least through the media he hasn't been a candidate. (Until, now maybe the for the Auburn job and Polk's lobbying).
C.) He's a poor recruiter.
tell me that it is not likely that will be successful as a HC anywhere. Yes, he MIGHT be great as a HC, but as you said, we don't know, and what we do know doesn't bode very well for him. He would have to have a really, really good staff around him to succeed.
I think if we hired him, it would be like when Bama hired Mike DuBose. Knew the program, played and coached in it, played for the Legend at Bama, but really was in over his head. He might produce a "nice" season every once in awhile, but more than likely would be an overall failure. DuBose also had no HC experience and I can't recall anyone really going after him before.</p>
A.) He's only been average as an assistant.
B.) The fact that no one has really gone after him to be their HC, or at least through the media he hasn't been a candidate. (Until, now maybe the for the Auburn job and Polk's lobbying).
C.) He's a poor recruiter.
tell me that it is not likely that will be successful as a HC anywhere. Yes, he MIGHT be great as a HC, but as you said, we don't know, and what we do know doesn't bode very well for him. He would have to have a really, really good staff around him to succeed.
I think if we hired him, it would be like when Bama hired Mike DuBose. Knew the program, played and coached in it, played for the Legend at Bama, but really was in over his head. He might produce a "nice" season every once in awhile, but more than likely would be an overall failure. DuBose also had no HC experience and I can't recall anyone really going after him before.</p>
Todd4State said:
I'm pretty sure the reaon no one has gone after him to be their head coach is because he made it known that he wasn't interested in leaving MSU. If he'd wanted a head coaching job somewhere, he'd have gotten it easily. Maybe not at an Auburn, but you can't tell me that he couldn't have gotten a head coaching job at a Jacksonville St. or Old Dominion somewhere if he'd wanted it. </p>
Porkchop said:
That is why I want him to go outside the SEC for an HC job. If he turned AU into a contender he might just decide to stay and say 17 MSU.
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Casey, Cohen, Corbin, and O'Conner - we couldn't go wrong. I put Casey on top because he won 2 national titles and we've never won a single one. He also won those two national titles back to back, which is an awefully rare thing in college baseball. Still, I've always said he was a long shot considering all factors. If we land Cohen, O'Conner, or Corbin we really can't lose there. All 3 have proven themselves to be good young coaches that have won at places with less resources and tradition. O'Conner and Corbin have had more consistent success, but then again Cohen took over a bad program and has State ties while also having nearly two decades of experience outside of MSU. Again, we can't miss with those 3 remaining candidates, particularly if the Casey stuff is true. I trust Byrne to land the guy we need.
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From what I understand, he's not interested....other than parlaying a better deal for himself.
The main man on the list played for MSU and is currently coaching.
Take it FWIW.
The main man on the list played for MSU and is currently coaching.
Take it FWIW.
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