CFB Czar - another discussion on this need by ESPNU

blion72

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discussion on ESPNU group talking about the need for a CFB "Czar" to stop the "chaos". They bounce around between NIL, the NCAA "dropping the ball" and the transfer portal. Then they say we cannot "put the "toothpaste back in the tube", and say we need the "Czar" to "fix" it all. it was kind of circular.

at no point did they define what "chaos" meant, so what exactly are we fixing. What is the chaos and who wants it fixed?

They implied a "Czar" would be able to manage this and settle it down, and quickly point out the NCAA cannot do this. Either the NCAA is too busy governing D3 swimming or has other priorities, and is not "staffed" to manage whatever it is that is going to be fixed. I assume that means that a Czar would be staffed (and funded by somebody like the NCAA is funded), and given the "authority" to fix (command and rule with absolute authority) - but wait the NCAA tried to just enforce the rules that all the schools agreed to, and lost one case at SCOTUS based on anti-trust. So how would the Czar be able to be any more effective? this just looks like another expensive bureaucracy that would get nothing done.

If you think chaos is that NIL is being warped and roster management is now a major problem, then it is pretty simple.

  1. You want the US Congress to act - give the NCAA absolute anti-trust immunity. That eliminates all lawsuits brought for anti-trust. That makes the NCAA investigator and executioner.
  2. NCAA can enforce the rules that there is no pay to play. You can have NIL, but not for play, and cannot use NIL to recruit a player. A player in HS who nobody knows and has never heard of has $0 NIL value to the market - i.e. what would State Farm or Dr Pepper pay for that person to do ads. There are legal tests that could be established.
  3. Due to #2, no relationship between an advertiser and a player can be associated with the school.
  4. A "collective" would have to only function like a sports management agency and get players advertising deals after they were in school playing = and recognized for NIL value.
  5. The NCAA could eliminate the 1 time free transfer, and force all transfers to sit out a year. There would be no way to fight the rule in court, due to #1.
  6. This would not eliminate the right of a player to obtain NIL value personally, but it would be for their value. How many players have true NIL value. Who is worth more for an ad - an NFL future HOF QB or a 5* QB who is in their senior year of HS?

Not saying any of the above will happen, but adding a Czar and a large staff with them, ain't going to be any different than the current situation - except cost more $$$$.
 

Countrylion

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discussion on ESPNU group talking about the need for a CFB "Czar" to stop the "chaos". They bounce around between NIL, the NCAA "dropping the ball" and the transfer portal. Then they say we cannot "put the "toothpaste back in the tube", and say we need the "Czar" to "fix" it all. it was kind of circular.

at no point did they define what "chaos" meant, so what exactly are we fixing. What is the chaos and who wants it fixed?

They implied a "Czar" would be able to manage this and settle it down, and quickly point out the NCAA cannot do this. Either the NCAA is too busy governing D3 swimming or has other priorities, and is not "staffed" to manage whatever it is that is going to be fixed. I assume that means that a Czar would be staffed (and funded by somebody like the NCAA is funded), and given the "authority" to fix (command and rule with absolute authority) - but wait the NCAA tried to just enforce the rules that all the schools agreed to, and lost one case at SCOTUS based on anti-trust. So how would the Czar be able to be any more effective? this just looks like another expensive bureaucracy that would get nothing done.

If you think chaos is that NIL is being warped and roster management is now a major problem, then it is pretty simple.

  1. You want the US Congress to act - give the NCAA absolute anti-trust immunity. That eliminates all lawsuits brought for anti-trust. That makes the NCAA investigator and executioner.
  2. NCAA can enforce the rules that there is no pay to play. You can have NIL, but not for play, and cannot use NIL to recruit a player. A player in HS who nobody knows and has never heard of has $0 NIL value to the market - i.e. what would State Farm or Dr Pepper pay for that person to do ads. There are legal tests that could be established.
  3. Due to #2, no relationship between an advertiser and a player can be associated with the school.
  4. A "collective" would have to only function like a sports management agency and get players advertising deals after they were in school playing = and recognized for NIL value.
  5. The NCAA could eliminate the 1 time free transfer, and force all transfers to sit out a year. There would be no way to fight the rule in court, due to #1.
  6. This would not eliminate the right of a player to obtain NIL value personally, but it would be for their value. How many players have true NIL value. Who is worth more for an ad - an NFL future HOF QB or a 5* QB who is in their senior year of HS?

Not saying any of the above will happen, but adding a Czar and a large staff with them, ain't going to be any different than the current situation - except cost more $$$$.
So you are a fan of the current NCAA oversight? Meanwhile UF offers some high school kid $13m then backs out. Pay for play and breaking recruit communication rules with boosters all in one. Oh then nothing happens. What a joke.
 
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GrimReaper

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discussion on ESPNU group talking about the need for a CFB "Czar" to stop the "chaos". They bounce around between NIL, the NCAA "dropping the ball" and the transfer portal. Then they say we cannot "put the "toothpaste back in the tube", and say we need the "Czar" to "fix" it all. it was kind of circular.

at no point did they define what "chaos" meant, so what exactly are we fixing. What is the chaos and who wants it fixed?

They implied a "Czar" would be able to manage this and settle it down, and quickly point out the NCAA cannot do this. Either the NCAA is too busy governing D3 swimming or has other priorities, and is not "staffed" to manage whatever it is that is going to be fixed. I assume that means that a Czar would be staffed (and funded by somebody like the NCAA is funded), and given the "authority" to fix (command and rule with absolute authority) - but wait the NCAA tried to just enforce the rules that all the schools agreed to, and lost one case at SCOTUS based on anti-trust. So how would the Czar be able to be any more effective? this just looks like another expensive bureaucracy that would get nothing done.

If you think chaos is that NIL is being warped and roster management is now a major problem, then it is pretty simple.

  1. You want the US Congress to act - give the NCAA absolute anti-trust immunity. That eliminates all lawsuits brought for anti-trust. That makes the NCAA investigator and executioner.
  2. NCAA can enforce the rules that there is no pay to play. You can have NIL, but not for play, and cannot use NIL to recruit a player. A player in HS who nobody knows and has never heard of has $0 NIL value to the market - i.e. what would State Farm or Dr Pepper pay for that person to do ads. There are legal tests that could be established.
  3. Due to #2, no relationship between an advertiser and a player can be associated with the school.
  4. A "collective" would have to only function like a sports management agency and get players advertising deals after they were in school playing = and recognized for NIL value.
  5. The NCAA could eliminate the 1 time free transfer, and force all transfers to sit out a year. There would be no way to fight the rule in court, due to #1.
  6. This would not eliminate the right of a player to obtain NIL value personally, but it would be for their value. How many players have true NIL value. Who is worth more for an ad - an NFL future HOF QB or a 5* QB who is in their senior year of HS?

Not saying any of the above will happen, but adding a Czar and a large staff with them, ain't going to be any different than the current situation - except cost more $$$$.
NCAA, or whatever organization governs college football, is not going to get anti-trust immunity without allowing players to collectively bargain.
 

Catch1lion

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NCAA first crackdown on NIL. 😂 NCAA will not penalize the athlete for NIL infractions . Maybe if you’re hot you get less of team penalty




 
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discussion on ESPNU group talking about the need for a CFB "Czar" to stop the "chaos". They bounce around between NIL, the NCAA "dropping the ball" and the transfer portal. Then they say we cannot "put the "toothpaste back in the tube", and say we need the "Czar" to "fix" it all. it was kind of circular.

at no point did they define what "chaos" meant, so what exactly are we fixing. What is the chaos and who wants it fixed?

They implied a "Czar" would be able to manage this and settle it down, and quickly point out the NCAA cannot do this. Either the NCAA is too busy governing D3 swimming or has other priorities, and is not "staffed" to manage whatever it is that is going to be fixed. I assume that means that a Czar would be staffed (and funded by somebody like the NCAA is funded), and given the "authority" to fix (command and rule with absolute authority) - but wait the NCAA tried to just enforce the rules that all the schools agreed to, and lost one case at SCOTUS based on anti-trust. So how would the Czar be able to be any more effective? this just looks like another expensive bureaucracy that would get nothing done.

If you think chaos is that NIL is being warped and roster management is now a major problem, then it is pretty simple.

  1. You want the US Congress to act - give the NCAA absolute anti-trust immunity. That eliminates all lawsuits brought for anti-trust. That makes the NCAA investigator and executioner.
  2. NCAA can enforce the rules that there is no pay to play. You can have NIL, but not for play, and cannot use NIL to recruit a player. A player in HS who nobody knows and has never heard of has $0 NIL value to the market - i.e. what would State Farm or Dr Pepper pay for that person to do ads. There are legal tests that could be established.
  3. Due to #2, no relationship between an advertiser and a player can be associated with the school.
  4. A "collective" would have to only function like a sports management agency and get players advertising deals after they were in school playing = and recognized for NIL value.
  5. The NCAA could eliminate the 1 time free transfer, and force all transfers to sit out a year. There would be no way to fight the rule in court, due to #1.
  6. This would not eliminate the right of a player to obtain NIL value personally, but it would be for their value. How many players have true NIL value. Who is worth more for an ad - an NFL future HOF QB or a 5* QB who is in their senior year of HS?

Not saying any of the above will happen, but adding a Czar and a large staff with them, ain't going to be any different than the current situation - except cost more $$$$.
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He'll bring an able enforcement staff.
 
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