CFP Rankings

[Deleted11512]

What a joke. How you can have FSU in there over UW is ludicrous. FSU has 2 ranked wins…LSU on a neutral site and Duke. UW beat Oregon, Utah, and SoCal.

It appears the committee is giving FSU a ton of credit for beating LSU but not the same credit to Bama for doing the same. UT shouldn’t be above Bama. That game was forever ago. Since then, UT looks average and Bama looks elite again. They’ve figured out how to run that O through Millroe and it looks scary.

 

[KingWard]

Another way to look at it is that the CFP committee doesn't regard the Pac 12 - ranked teams and otherwise - to be as formidable as the pollsters do.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I guess the simple math is that Bama lost to Texas so until Texas loses again, they will be ranked in front of Bama. On the other hand, Texas' lone loss is to OU who has since lost to an unranked Kansas and Oklahoma State. That loss looks worse for Texas than it did a month ago. But then Alabama lost to Texas who lost to OU who lost to unraked Kansas. Alabama is probably the better team at the moment, but I don't really see how the committee can justify them jumping Texas, unless Texas loses or has some underwhelming performances and Alabama dominates.

As far as UW not being in over FSU, you probably have the politics of the Pac 12 situation involved. If they beat Oregon State this week, that'll be their 3rd consecutive win in a row over a ranked team while FSU plays North Alabama. That could provide the opportunity for them to jump FSU.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

What a joke. How you can have FSU in there over UW is ludicrous. FSU has 2 ranked wins…LSU on a neutral site and Duke. UW beat Oregon, Utah, and SoCal.

It appears the committee is giving FSU a ton of credit for beating LSU but not the same credit to Bama for doing the same. UT shouldn’t be above Bama. That game was forever ago. Since then, UT looks average and Bama looks elite again. They’ve figured out how to run that O through Millroe and it looks scary.

Because it’s not only about the dang eye test as it shouldn’t be.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I guess the simple math is that Bama lost to Texas so until Texas loses again, they will be ranked in front of Bama. On the other hand, Texas' lone loss is to OU who has since lost to an unranked Kansas and Oklahoma State. That loss looks worse for Texas than it did a month ago.

As far as UW not being in over FSU, you probably have the politics of the Pac 12 situation involved. If they beat Oregon State this week, that'll be their 3rd consecutive win in a row over a ranked team while FSU plays North Alabama. That could provide the opportunity for them to jump FSU.

Highly doubt it. Tried to tell y’all yesterday an undefeated FSU is not getting left out. Fsu will also (if they win out) beat a top 10 ranked Louisville in the account championship.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Highly doubt it. Tried to tell y’all yesterday an undefeated FSU is not getting left out. Fsu will also (if they win out) beat a top 10 ranked Louisville in the account championship.

I don't disagree. But seeing how the committee jumped UGA based on their impressive win over Ole Miss, if UW can win impressively over Oregon State, I could see it. I wouldn't predict that happening, but I could see it. The committee wants FSU. They don't want a team from a dying conference.

 

[FootballLVR]

Florida State wins out and is in. Michigan will lose to Ohio State. Ohio State is in. Washington wins out and is in. The only problem I can see is if Alabama somehow beats Georgia to win the SEC championship. At that point Alabama and Georgia are likely in. Then somebody gets left out. I'm thinking Washington gets left out, especially if Florida State puts on a show against Louisville. Fun time of the year.

 

[Deleted11512]

Highly doubt it. Tried to tell y’all yesterday an undefeated FSU is not getting left out. Fsu will also (if they win out) beat a top 10 ranked Louisville in the account championship.

UW jumps them if they beat #11 OSU this week. If they beat Oregon for a 2nd time in the P12 CG they're in over an undefeated FSU.

P12 is a much better conference than the ACC.

 

[Deleted11512]

Florida State wins out and is in. Michigan will lose to Ohio State. Ohio State is in. Washington wins out and is in. The only problem I can see is if Alabama somehow beats Georgia to win the SEC championship. At that point Alabama and Georgia are likely in. Then somebody gets left out. I'm thinking Washington gets left out, especially if Florida State puts on a show against Louisville. Fun time of the year.

There's no way an undefeated UW team is left out. If they do, it's just ANOTHER justification for expansion.

 

[Deleted11512]

Because it’s not only about the dang eye test as it shouldn’t be.

Hate to break it to you but the eye test is whole premise of rankings. It's the foundation. Otherwise we'd have a system like the NFL with no rankings, everything is done on record alone. Eye test is the ONLY reason UGA is #1.

I don't think it's relevant that UT beat Bama 2 months ago. If they played today, Bama would beat them by 17 points. Bama was still struggling to find their O early in the season. They've figured it out and running through the SEC like a hot knife through butter. UT is limping through a weak B12. The goal is to get rank the best teams top to bottom. It's hard to watch both of them play right now and NOT think Bama is the better team.

 

[KingWard]

I guess the simple math is that Bama lost to Texas so until Texas loses again, they will be ranked in front of Bama. On the other hand, Texas' lone loss is to OU who has since lost to an unranked Kansas and Oklahoma State. That loss looks worse for Texas than it did a month ago. But then Alabama lost to Texas who lost to OU who lost to unraked Kansas. Alabama is probably the better team at the moment, but I don't really see how the committee can justify them jumping Texas, unless Texas loses or has some underwhelming performances and Alabama dominates.

As far as UW not being in over FSU, you probably have the politics of the Pac 12 situation involved. If they beat Oregon State this week, that'll be their 3rd consecutive win in a row over a ranked team while FSU plays North Alabama. That could provide the opportunity for them to jump FSU.

Alabama has come alive and is much improved since the opening of the season. The defense has gotten more sound and Milroe (sp) has become a premier quarterback. I mean, he's BALLING! He's as good right now as the kid at LSU. Alabama has a real shot at the CFP now, I believe.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Alabama has come alive and is much improved since the opening of the season. The defense has gotten more sound and Milroe (sp) has become a premier quarterback. I mean, he's BALLING! He's as good right now as the kid at LSU. Alabama has a real shot at the CFP now, I believe.

I don't disagree with any of that. But I just don't see the committee jumping Bama over Texas unless Texas loses or has an ugly game. They put a lot of weight into that head-to-head matchup, even if Bama clearly appears to be the better team now.

The Big 12 is pretty weak in terms of who can challenge Texas. They likely will face off against Oklahoma State in the title game and probably win that. They've been winning close ones lately though, so who knows?

 

[Deleted11512]

Alabama has come alive and is much improved since the opening of the season. The defense has gotten more sound and Milroe (sp) has become a premier quarterback. I mean, he's BALLING! He's as good right now as the kid at LSU. Alabama has a real shot at the CFP now, I believe.

I agree. They should be 6 right now. The ONLY thing Oregon has done is beaten Utah. The shine on CO has rubbed off. Oregon has no other Ws. I'm sorry, but you have to beat someone.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don't disagree with any of that. But I just don't see the committee jumping Bama over Texas unless Texas loses or has an ugly game. They put a lot of weight into that head-to-head matchup, even if Bama clearly appears to be the better team now.

The fallacy of the whole system. For this team, we're going to apply the eye test (Oregon), for that team we're going to use their record (Bama).

 

[18IsTheMan]

I agree. They should be 6 right now. The ONLY thing Oregon has done is beaten Utah. The shine on CO has rubbed off. Oregon has no other Ws. I'm sorry, but you have to beat someone.

Oregon or Washington will knock the other one out in the Pac 12 title game.

I just don't see Texas losing.

As it is, Bama getting in necessitates them beating UGA and that's far from a guarantee. If they beat UGA, they're in, regardless. No way a 1-loss SECCG winner is left out.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Florida State wins out and is in. Michigan will lose to Ohio State. Ohio State is in. Washington wins out and is in. The only problem I can see is if Alabama somehow beats Georgia to win the SEC championship. At that point Alabama and Georgia are likely in. Then somebody gets left out. I'm thinking Washington gets left out, especially if Florida State puts on a show against Louisville. Fun time of the year.

In that case I don’t think you see 2 from the sec. Georgia will be out. Just don’t see how you leave out an undefeated FSU for a one loss non champion sec team.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Hate to break it to you but the eye test is whole premise of rankings. It's the foundation. Otherwise we'd have a system like the NFL with no rankings, everything is done on record alone. Eye test is the ONLY reason UGA is #1.

I don't think it's relevant that UT beat Bama 2 months ago. If they played today, Bama would beat them by 17 points. Bama was still struggling to find their O early in the season. They've figured it out and running through the SEC like a hot knife through butter. UT is limping through a weak B12. The goal is to get rank the best teams top to bottom. It's hard to watch both of them play right now and NOT think Bama is the better team.

No I hate to break it to you. The CFP has many criteria they follow. Eye test only behind one.

 

[18IsTheMan]

In that case I don’t think you see 2 from the sec. Georgia will be out.

The perception of the SEC being down has shifted a bit now that we have 3 teams in the CFP top 10 and 6 in the top 20, leading all conferences.. That perception was largely based on Bama's early loss to Texas and their sloppy win over USF, but they've reversed course in a big way since then. I do think they'll try to avoid 2 SEC teams in though. They want parity, even if it's fabricated (see TCU).

 

[Yard_Pimps]

The perception of the SEC being down has shifted a bit now that we have 3 teams in the CFP top 10 and 6 in the top 20, leading all conferences.. That perception was largely based on Bama's early loss to Texas and their sloppy win over USF, but they've reversed course in a big way since then. I do think they'll try to avoid 2 SEC teams in though. They want parity, even if it's fabricated (see TCU).

I guess my question is why do people think a one loss Georgia team without a conference championship is better than an fsu team that’s undefeated and is a champion. The eye test is not the only measure. At some point your *** has to win.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I guess my question is why do people think a one loss Georgia team without a conference championship is better than an fsu team that’s undefeated and is a champion. The eye test is not the only measure. At some point your *** has to win.

Oh, well, no. If FSU wins out, they are in. No question about that.

It doesn't always matter who the better team is. Alabama was a better team than TCU last year, but they couldn't let a 2-loss Bama in.

But, hey, when we have expansion, there will be debates about 3-loss teams.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Oh, well, no. If FSU wins out, they are in. No question about that.

It doesn't always matter who the better team is. Alabama was a better team than TCU last year, but they couldn't let a 2-loss Bama in.

But, hey, when we have expansion, there will be debates about 3-loss teams.

I would rather take the debates out. Let it be conference champions and come up with an algorithm to rank the rest. So a combination of winning to get in and bcs computer. I hate the human aspect of picking.

 

[Tusi21!!]

******* Iowa

 

[18IsTheMan]

I would rather take the debates out. Let it be conference champions and come up with an algorithm to rank the rest. So a combination of winning to get in and bcs computer. I hate the human aspect of picking.

No way. Debates are half the fun. Why does everyone want to do away with what makes college football unique? I'd go back to the old days when you just took whoever happened to be the top 2 teams and went with it. Everyone else just moaned and groaned about getting screwed over for the next 30 years. The whole "should they be in/shouldn't they be in/how'd they get in/how'd they get left out" is part of college football.

Same with instant replay. I'd much rather have the human element and the angst over a blown call leading to years of "we got screwed" than instant replay.

I don't understand the "We love college football. Now let's change everything about it" mindset.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

No way. Debates are half the fun. Why does everyone want to do away with what makes college football unique? I'd go back to the old days when you just took whoever happened to be the top 2 teams and went with it. Everyone else just moaned and groaned about getting screwed over for the next 30 years. The whole "should they be in/shouldn't they be in/how'd they get in/how'd they get left out" is part of college football.

We can agree to disagree. I would rather a teams fate not be predicated on the opinion of a human.

 

[Deleted11512]

No I hate to break it to you. The CFP has many criteria they follow. Eye test only behind one.

There is only 1 reason UGA is #1, and it's the eye test.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We can agree to disagree. I would rather a teams fate not be predicated on the opinion of a human.

haha, well, it IS just a sport. Nobody's destiny is being determined. Sometimes the talking heads treat this like it's all so important, as if some great injustice was done because a team was left out of the playoffs. I don't know why so much thought and effort is put into it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

There is only 1 reason UGA is #1, and it's the eye test.

I wouldn't say that's the only reason. A huge part is their recent history. Given the way they've won the past 2 seasons, I think they're the best team until proven otherwise. They certainly get the benefit of the doubt from being 39-1 in their last 40 games and winning 27 straight games.

But they did just beat Missouri (current #9 in the CFP) and absolutely annihilated Ole Miss (the current #13 in the CFP).

It'll be interesting to see what happens with that UT game this weekend. At UT. UGA's only played 2 road games this year: Auburn and Vandy. And both games were somewhat competitive (relatively speaking for Vandy).

 

[Deleted11512]

We can agree to disagree. I would rather a teams fate not be predicated on the opinion of a human.

The expanded playoff will solve a lot of that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The expanded playoff will solve a lot of that.

haha, no it won't. Did the NCAAT field expanding from 32 to 64 solve a lot of the debating? Not even close.

The BCS was supposed to end debating. It only shifted which teams we were debating about.

The CFP was supposed to end debating. It only shifted which teams we were debating about.

Now they tell us that expanding the CFP will end the debating.

There's as much debating now as there was pre-BCS.

Expansion has actually only increased the debating instead of doing anything to curb it. When it was pre-BCS you had the #3 and maybe #4 teams griping about being left out. Now you have teams with 2 losses and teams ranked 5th and 6th and so on griping about deserving a shot.

When the bar is lowered, you only expand the number of teams who believe they deserve to be above the bar.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

There is only 1 reason UGA is #1, and it's the eye test.

We can agree to disagree

 

[Yard_Pimps]

haha, well, it IS just a sport. Nobody's destiny is being determined. Sometimes the talking heads treat this like it's all so important, as if some great injustice was done because a team was left out of the playoffs. I don't know why so much thought and effort is put into it.

Tell that to the players who busted their butts to be left out by a human opinion.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Tell that to the players who busted their butts to be left out by a human opinion.

But, again, it's a game. It's entertainment.

 

[Big JC]

There is only 1 reason UGA is #1, and it's the eye test.

They did beat two ranked teams in back to back weeks and haven't lost a game since December of 2021. Those things have to count for something.

The whole CFP is nothing more than a show put on by ESPN. The rankings are designed to maximize the viewing audience, not to insure that the best team wins the championship. Generally, the best team does win but that was also the case with the old BCS format. The problem with the BCS was that ESPN and tv in general only had one game to really hype. With the current CFP format, they have three games to hype and sell ad time for. When they expand to 12, which is ludicrous, they will have 11 games to hype and sell ad time for.

 

[18IsTheMan]

They did beat two ranked teams in back to back weeks and haven't lost a game since December of 2021. Those things have to count for something.

The whole CFP is nothing more than a show put on by ESPN. The rankings are designed to maximize the viewing audience, not to insure that the best team wins the championship. Generally, the best team does win but that was also the case with the old BCS format. The problem with the BCS was that ESPN and tv in general only had one game to really hype. With the current CFP format, they have three games to hype and sell ad time for. When they expand to 12, which is ludicrous, they will have 11 games to hype and sell ad time for.

Right. The whole thing is only about money.

Only a fool believes any of it has to do with parity, fairness or the best team winning. Those are not even really considerations. Even pre-BCS, the overwhelming majority of the time, the best team did win. CFP is about one thing and one thing only: money. Nobody can or should believe otherwise.

It's a concession to the whiners while at the same time increasing revenue.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

But, again, it's a game. It's entertainment.

To you but it’s much more to the players.

 

[18IsTheMan]

To you but it’s much more to the players.

But without all the me's there's no game.

No fans. No money. No game.

 

[Big JC]

haha, no it won't. Did the NCAAT field expanding from 32 to 64 solve a lot of the debating? Not even close.

The BCS was supposed to end debating. It only shifted which teams we were debating about.

The CFP was supposed to end debating. It only shifted which teams we were debating about.

Now they tell us that expanding the CFP will end the debating.

There's as much debating now as there was pre-BCS.

Expansion has actually only increased the debating instead of doing anything to curb it. When it was pre-BCS you had the #3 and maybe #4 teams griping about being left out. Now you have teams with 2 losses and teams ranked 5th and 6th and so on griping about deserving a shot.

When the bar is lowered, you only expand the number of teams who believe they deserve to be above the bar.

Pre BCS really was a pretty terrible system. There were many years, because of bowl conference tie ins, that the #1 team would end up playing a greatly overmatched #8 or so team and #2 would be in another bowl playing #6. The BCS at least aimed at getting a 1 vs 2 matchup for the championship. It wasn't perfect but it was usually pretty correct in its matchup.

Expansion of the CFP is going to be terrible. There are going to be rematches of games where the first game winner absolutely destroyed the team they have to play again. The new debate will become focused on teams ranked 13-15 and why they weren't selected. This will lead to expansion to 16 teams and things will get even worse.

If I were put in charge; I'd say there needs to be 8 12 team conferences that make up the top level of college football. Each conference champion would play in a three round playoff and the national champion would be the winner of the final game. The regular season would be reduced to 11 games and each team would have to play 10 conference games and could not play any team from a lower division. Conferences could decide their champion however they wanted to, they could have a championship game, select the highest ranked team, have a vote by ADs, whatever they wanted to do.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Pre BCS really was a pretty terrible system. There were many years, because of bowl conference tie ins, that the #1 team would end up playing a greatly overmatched #8 or so team and #2 would be in another bowl playing #6.

Even so, the great majority of the time, the best team did end up being crowned champion. It's a small % of years you can really debate it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Expansion of the CFP is going to be terrible. There are going to be rematches of games where the first game winner absolutely destroyed the team they have to play again. The new debate will become focused on teams ranked 13-15 and why they weren't selected. This will lead to expansion to 16 teams and things will get even worse.

I agree with this. As I said above, when you lower the ball all you do is increase the number of teams who think they belong above the bar. It's a fairly small number of teams who can argue they should be in the top 4. It's a MUCH larger number of teams who can argue they belong in a 12=team CFP. It just goes without saying.

 

[Big JC]

To you but it’s much more to the players.

To the players, college football falls into one of two things. Either the player loves playing football and plays because he loves the game or it is about auditioning for a chance at the NFL.

Take away the fans and the money, really just the money, and college football looks a lot like high school football. The only reason the money is there is because of the entertainment value.