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  1. I think the Big 12 champ will get a bye over Boise State. If I’m wrong, we may see the format change as soon as next season. Boise State has no business getting 1 of 4 byes.
  2. Alabama is in with an SMU win. If Clemson wins, the debate will be Alabama vs. SMU. I think SMU wins that debate.
 

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  1. I think the Big 12 champ will get a bye over Boise State. If I’m wrong, we may see the format change as soon as next season. Boise State has no business getting 1 of 4 byes.
Nobody has any business getting the 4 byes, because the method by which they are chosen is crap. The Top 8 or 9 teams in the country are all from 2 conferences. Only 2 of them will get byes.

I do think there are going to be format changes next season.

  1. Alabama is in with an SMU win. If Clemson wins, the debate will be Alabama vs. SMU. I think SMU wins that debate.

I think Alabama not making the playoff is something that some people believe they can make happen if they speak it into existence enough times as early and often as they can. But I think it’s futile. Its just impossible for me to see a 2-loss SMU with no notable wins getting in over a 3-loss Bama with a far stronger resume….and that’s before even considering the intangibles like political pull and financial incentive of putting Bama in.
 

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I think Alabama not making the playoff is something that some people believe they can make happen if they speak it into existence enough times as early and often as they can. But I think it’s futile. Its just impossible for me to see a 2-loss SMU with no notable wins getting in over a 3-loss Bama with a far stronger resume….and that’s before even considering the intangibles like political pull and financial incentive of putting Bama in.
So you think they punish SMU that much for losing an extra game they earned? Should they ask themselves why Alabama isn’t playing today?

If you’re right, SMU should announce their whole team contracted COVID.
 
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2 loss > 3 loss. If Alabama wants an easier schedule there is no exit fee to leave the SEC. I’m sure the ACC of Big 12 would welcome them with open arms. Life’s not fair, you can’t have your cake and eat it too!
0 losses is better than 1, but that didn’t help UCF or even Florida St last year
 

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Just because we lost to some quality teams doesn’t mean we were better than our record. I get that losing to Alabama is different than losing to Alabama State but that subjective, your record is concrete. If you are not going to use the final record as the most important determining factor then you need to use some computer algorithms to come up with the top teams. When it comes to a beauty contest then Alabama going to win that every time.
 

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Just because we lost to some quality teams doesn’t mean we were better than our record. I get that losing to Alabama is different than losing to Alabama State but that subjective, your record is concrete. If you are not going to use the final record as the most important determining factor then you need to use some computer algorithms to come up with the top teams. When it comes to a beauty contest then Alabama going to win that every time.
If that’s how you feel… why not army.

1 loss.. and similar schedule compared to smu…. As smu is compared to Alabama.

if one loss is a stickler for you in deciding bt Alabama and smu…. Despite the schedules. Why isn’t the 1 loss army in over 2 loss smu.. despite the schedules.

if you want colleges to eliminate good non conference games… then reward a team that plays no one. You’ll start seeing the sec playing Jackson state every year 3 times.
 
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Surely you don’t believe this. The rankings are the rankings. In what world is the winner of a 15/16 matchup jumping the #10 team that best the #20 team?
They can do whatever the hell they want to do.

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If that’s how you feel… why not army.

1 loss.. and similar schedule compared to smu…. As smu is compared to Alabama.

if one loss is a stickler for you in deciding bt Alabama and smu…. Despite the schedules. Why isn’t the 1 loss army in over 2 loss smu.. despite the schedules.
I think Army should be in over some of the three loss or two loss teams. As a fan I’d love to see Army roll into Athens or Austin and take their best shot. Until we separate the power conferences from the also rans then all 135 D1 teams should be treated the same. They’re playing by the same rules. I’d personally rather see Alabama in the playoffs over SMU but it’s just personal preference and personal preferences and advertising dollars shouldn’t affect the rankings but they do.
 

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Am I the only person who finds the championship games anticlimactic? That seems to be the general consensus. This may be the last year.
 

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  1. I think the Big 12 champ will get a bye over Boise State. If I’m wrong, we may see the format change as soon as next season. Boise State has no business getting 1 of 4 byes.

I think Boise State (who barely lost at Oregon) is a lot better than Arizona State (who {kinda} almost lost at home to Mississippi State) and more deserving of the bye.

The best solution would be to drop the requirement that the byes have to go to conference champions and just give it to the top 4 teams regardless. Why did Notre Dame even agree to this system anyway?
 

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Am I the only person who finds the championship games anticlimactic? That seems to be the general consensus. This may be the last year.
Why would they be anticlimactic? For the first time everyone of them has something at stake. I’m not sure I’d even watch this Big 12 championship game in a 4 team playoff.
 

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Why would they be anticlimactic? For the first time everyone of them has something at stake. I’m not sure I’d even watch this Big 12 championship game in a 4 team playoff.
Like I said, I might be the only person who feels that way, but I do. I think it happened after they picked Alabama. SOS
 

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2 loss > 3 loss. If Alabama wants an easier schedule there is no exit fee to leave the SEC. I’m sure the ACC of Big 12 would welcome them with open arms. Life’s not fair, you can’t have your cake and eat it too!
Well then. 1 loss < 2 loss, too. So, I fully expect Boise State to get the #2 overall seed over UGA, if they beat Texas. I mean that’s all we’re looking at, right? Just 2 raw numbers?

Absolutely terrible argument. Literally every other collegiate sport goes far beyond just comparing loss totals to see who the best teams are, and comes up with a system to do it (whether its a formula or committee or combo of the 2). The entire existence of the CFP committee is to do the exact same thing….discern teams from each other using criteria that goes way beyond the record.
 

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So you think they punish SMU that much for losing an extra game they earned? Should they ask themselves why Alabama isn’t playing today?

If you’re right, SMU should announce their whole team contracted COVID.
It’s not a punishment to be ranked lower after losing a game. No one was weeping for Georgia last year. They knew damn well they had to win, and they didn’t.

It’s just absurd to me that anyone thinks there should be no downside risk to these conference title games….like they should just be exhibitions. If you win, you get a bye from the first round but if you lose, well, nothing bad should happen to you at all? Makes zero sense. And this year it makes even less sense because the conference title games all have teams with little to no mandate to be there based on vastly unequal schedules even within the conferences, yet they still get a free pass to the 2nd round if they win in most cases.

The way I choose to look at it is that the 6 teams in the MWC, ACC, and Big 12 title games all made the playoff. Every one of them had an opportunity to secure a place in the 12 team field by simply winning one game. 2 of 3 get a bye. What else could they ask for?
 
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Georgia is a quality win. Pitt is not.
I guess it would be qualitatively assigned and not quantifiable applied. I prefer the mathematical approach to these type of things. As another poster says it's a beauty contest of opinion based on preconceived notions based on recruiting program prestige and history. What are the records and common opponents this season and what are the win loss records of opponents etc. not just uga has a bunch of past season wins and prestige and recruiting rankings. Just on preconceived notions Pitt and uga are probably easier pick out but harder win you talk say SMU penn state Arizona state Colorado uga ole miss Alabama Boise army. What makes those programs better than one another just this season?
 

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Really? This is your argument? You pick the year that 2 teams who played in and won major conference championship games leapfrogged a team that didn’t play in such a game as an example that the title games don’t matter?
You decided what my argument was. You don't need anyone else to argue with yourself.
 
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I guess it would be qualitatively assigned and not quantifiable applied. I prefer the mathematical approach to these type of things.
It is quantifiably applied.

If I told you Team A went 9-3 against the 18th toughest schedule, and Team B went 11-2 against the 70th ranked schedule, which team would you think was better?
 

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Here’s a few quantifiable measures:
FPI - Bama #4, SmU #12
Sagarin - Bama #5, SMU #10
Massey - Bama #7, SMU #11

And these are a 1-loss SMU team. They’d move down if they lose to Clemson.
 

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You decided what my argument was. You don't need anyone else to argue with yourself.
I didn’t decide anything. You just presented yet another time that the committee behaved rationally and following a clear criteria (considering not just overall record but SOS, etc.) and yet still somehow judged it as them “doing whatever they want”.

One of the two teams that jumped TCU won the whole thing. So it’s pretty hard to argue with the methodology there.
 
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It is quantifiably applied.

If I told you Team A went 9-3 against the 18th toughest schedule, and Team B went 11-2 against the 70th ranked schedule, which team would you think was better?
I think it depends on who the losses are too are each schedule and their ranking and win loss records. Hard to penalize a team for their schedule I get that schedules are not the same but if they are considered power 4. What are the parameters used in strength kf schedule? Rankings? Win loss records? Both? Rankings can be subjective due to preseason and coaching press biases
 

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I didn’t decide anything. You just presented yet another time that the committee behaved rationally and following a clear criteria (considering not just overall record but SOS, etc.) and yet still somehow judged it as them “doing whatever they want”.

One of the two teams that jumped TCU won the whole thing. So it’s pretty hard to argue with the methodology there.
I don't agree with your summary of my viewpoint. For example, you seem to think I'm saying title games don't matter.

Again, you don't need me to make up arguments and argue against them.
 

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I think it depends on who the losses are too are each schedule and their ranking and win loss records. Hard to penalize a team for their schedule I get that schedules are not the same but if they are considered power 4. What are the parameters used in strength kf schedule? Rankings? Win loss records? Both? Rankings can be subjective due to preseason and coaching press biases
What they are considerdd means nothing. Let’s do away with the word power 4. They played the schedule they played.. and it wasn’t good.

when you play a subpar schedule, your margin for error is small. Just ask ole Miss.
 
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What they are considerdd means nothing. Let’s do away with the word power 4. They played the schedule they played.. and it wasn’t good.

when you play a subpar schedule, your margin for error is small. Just ask ole Miss.
Exactly. The term P4 is a misnomer anyway. There’s a Power 2, a Next 2, and the rest.
 

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What they are considerdd means nothing. Let’s do away with the word power 4. They played the schedule they played.. and it wasn’t good.

when you play a subpar schedule, your margin for error is small. Just ask ole Miss.
Only way to know is taking away conferences and playing a season round Robbin and that moves around country wide. In your view Texas didn't play a good schedule either. People argue Indiana didn't either but both are still good football teams that won a lot of games and teams like uga bama are not perfect and struggled against a lot of teams this year so "good" schedules are subjective. More parity than ever before in college ball
 

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Only way to know is taking away conferences and playing a season round Robbin and that moves around country wide. In your view Texas didn't play a good schedule either. People argue Indiana didn't either but both are still good football teams that won a lot of games and teams like uga bama are not perfect and struggled against a lot of teams this year so "good" schedules are subjective. More parity than ever before in college ball
Texas didn’t play a great schedule. But it’s still ranked 30 spots higher than SMU’s.
 

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Only way to know is taking away conferences and playing a season round Robbin and that moves around country wide. In your view Texas didn't play a good schedule either. People argue Indiana didn't either but both are still good football teams that won a lot of games and teams like uga bama are not perfect and struggled against a lot of teams this year so "good" schedules are subjective. More parity than ever before in college ball
a 3 loss Texas us out.. a 2 loss Indiana is out. Their schedules allowed them less margin for error than a Alabama or Georgia did
 

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Georgia is a quality win. Pitt is not.
It took uga 8 ots to beat Georgia tech this year and lost to an ole miss team who lost to Kentucky Florida and lsu. None of those teams are good. Also lost to bama who lost to Tennessee Vandy struggled against a usf team well into the third quarter. The sec is proving it aint what it used to be. Do yall not recall that Michigan made bama their beotch last year in the playoff? Uga is not what they were. All of them have lost to like 6-6 team or got close to it the weaker sec teams like us also got boat races so that doesn't help either.
 

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It took uga 8 ots to beat Georgia tech this year and lost to an ole miss team who lost to Kentucky Florida and lsu. None of those teams are good. Also lost to bama who lost to Tennessee Vandy struggled against a usf team well into the third quarter. The sec is proving it aint what it used to be. Do yall not recall that Michigan made bama their beotch last year in the playoff? Uga is not what they were. All of them have lost to like 6-6 team or got close to it the weaker sec teams like us also got boat races so that doesn't help either.
You can’t be serious.. the sec is showing it’s not what it was?

the sec use to be Alabama.. then it was Alabama and Georgia… the sec is deep and has 3-4 teams that could legitimately win a national title.

their are acc teams paying big money to buy out of future games against the sec….

the sec is as good as it’s ever been… and worlds better than the acc, big 12 thought about being.
 

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I don't agree with your summary of my viewpoint. For example, you seem to think I'm saying title games don't matter.

Again, you don't need me to make up arguments and argue against them.
Well then please expand on the purpose of you posting the 2014 rankings for the final 2 weeks with the caption “they’re going to do whatever they want”.

Because they generally have “wanted” the best teams to play for the national title. In that sense, they are going to do what they want, because that’s their job and entire purpose for their existence.
 

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2 loss > 3 loss. If Alabama wants an easier schedule there is no exit fee to leave the SEC. I’m sure the ACC of Big 12 would welcome them with open arms. Life’s not fair, you can’t have your cake and eat it too!
This takes the title for the most laughably basic post of the week.

A world where SOS and other competition metrics are ignored when selecting playoff teams is a world where college football loses even more interest.

Army should be a lock for the CFP, using your logic.
 

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I think Alabama not making the playoff is something that some people believe they can make happen if they speak it into existence enough times as early and often as they can. But I think it’s futile. Its just impossible for me to see a 2-loss SMU with no notable wins getting in over a 3-loss Bama with a far stronger resume….and that’s before even considering the intangibles like political pull and financial incentive of putting Bama in.
Why do you think you were so confident/wrong on this?
 
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Why do you think you were so confident/wrong on this?

Hell, I guess just wishful thinking. I thought they were interested in selecting the best teams, and ranking them in some type of sensible fashion after all the games were done. Both things that they have done in the past. Those were both bad assumptions to make, apparently.
 

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I think Alabama not making the playoff is something that some people believe they can make happen if they speak it into existence enough times as early and often as they can. But I think it’s futile. Its just impossible for me to see a 2-loss SMU with no notable wins getting in over a 3-loss Bama with a far stronger resume….and that’s before even considering the intangibles like political pull and financial incentive of putting Bama in.
Well….
 
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