They can always steal their way up.
As someone who did quite a bit of business in China I couldn’t agree more. The Chinese are going to lie , cheat , and steal every chance they get, if you don’t catch them then you’re a bad businessman and it’s your own fault. I did some business in Pakistan too, totally different business environment but just as bad in its own way.
Stealing ideas is engrained in the CCP culture. Make no mistake about it even though only 10% of the population is CCP that is who owns the businesses and are also able to send their kids to college.
Correct. Lying and stealing are viewed as virtues in Chinese culture. It is encouraged and expected.
Exactly. Who needs to work to innovate when you can just wait for others to innovate and then steal it.
That's sounds awful. I'm thankful we do things differently here.
I can remember doing trade shows and there would be Chinese guys with huge telephoto lenses on cameras taking pictures of our booths and products from a 100 yards away. They would watch you from a distance and wait for you to get busy and distracted with a customer and then they would slip up behind you and steal any paperwork laying around the booth. It was almost funny.
They aren't known for innovation, but they are known for stealing IP and reappropriating it at scale to enrich themselves to our detriment. I'm sure as soon as we dump billions into AI, annex Canada, Greenland and Mexico, we will be on track to greatness. Thank goodness we are working on all the things that most Americans are worried about***
They don't have any concept of ownership or proprietary rights regarding IP or design.
When I took a business trip to China, my company would not let me take my laptop and required me to take a burner phone instead of my normal cell phone.
Fred, you went to China and they were afraid of the Chinese stealing steak cooking secrets?***
Damn, girl. Is there anything posted that you don’t try and steer towards a TDS statement? Did he sleep with your wife?
I think you could admit that doing it and having it ingrained and celebrated in your culture are too different things but I could be wrong.
Like the difference between a run of the mill serial killer and Charles Manson.
About the ingrained part?
My initial comment on this topic was in response to the observation that lying and stealing are seen as virtues in China.
Are you saying that they literally don’t? That wouldn’t be shocking to me. The practical benefits of granting property rights in IP makes doing so, but I would also be surprised if there weren’t cultures who thought the idea of owning ideas is somewhat ridiculous and would have no moral qualms about stealing IP or violating patents.
Wow, that's a dark perspective of American business culture. I just don't see anything close to that. Maybe I've just been lucky to not experience that in my career or maybe it's the hundreds of hours of ethics and see something say something training that companies I've worked for required of all employees to take. Perhaps it's the mostly positive experiences I've had with customers, executive leaders, employees, HR, legal and compliance so I could be biased......hey maybe it's just my lived truth***
Cultural norms are different in many countries and yes stealing IP or violating patents is a CCP state driven cultural norm mainly born out of necessity.
I have some family involved in manufacturing.. when the Chinese see a new product on the market they simply acquire one and figure out how to make it. There is never any thought such as… “hey, this IP belongs to someone else.”
I do not think the US norms are equal China's norms.
I think so too. Even if they're being truthful, their claim is they found a faster way to process the model by having multiple models instead of 1 huge one. I think the stock market is overreacting. This just means generative AI would be less expensive to operate for everyone. But I still think it's a troll job.
There is nothing in their history post CCP that supports them being able to pull this off. I could be wrong but I'm calling BS.
Correct. I worked for a company whose biggest revenue source was an IP. This IP was then licensed out to other companies. They in turn would manufacture products with our IP used within the product. The kicker was most of our partners' goods were produced in China. We had lawyers on call to help us wrangle all the infringements. It was a 24/7, 365 job.
Their entire existence depends on keeping the 90% of their population at bay. They fear their own population more than they fear us.
Just peruse eBay and you’ll see evidence of this. What’s worse is that eBay AND Amazon couldn’t care less. They love that money too much.
