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From where we were starting the Auburn series to where we very likely may end up is unexplainable.
If this plays out as not hosting a regional, losing in a regional how can it be justified in keeping the HC?
IMO injuries are not the reason for this potential ending to this season.
 

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From where we were starting the Auburn series to where we very likely may end up is unexplainable.
If this plays out as not hosting a regional, losing in a regional how can it be justified in keeping the HC?
IMO injuries are not the reason for this potential ending to this season.
He should be gone if we don’t make Omaha this year. It’s been waaay too long, and he’s had ample time to do it and has failed. It’s ridiculous.
 

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From where we were starting the Auburn series to where we very likely may end up is unexplainable.
If this plays out as not hosting a regional, losing in a regional how can it be justified in keeping the HC?
IMO injuries are not the reason for this potential ending to this season.
Blaming injuries for losses is for losers. I get that. But losing 3/4 of the infield along with Hall, Sanders and Jerzembeck has been abnormally brutal. Don't know of any team that could absorb those kind of losses and not be negatively impacted to a great degree....
 

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It has been a mystifying collapse for sure. Stunning.

We were playing with such swag and confidence. Now we look totally inept.
 
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Blaming injuries for losses is for losers. I get that. But losing 3/4 of the infield along with Hall, Sanders and Jerzembeck has been abnormally brutal. Don't know of any team that could absorb those kind of losses and not be negatively impacted to a great degree....
He either can’t field a good team or he can’t field a healthy team. Same story every year. He needs to go if he can’t figure it out. We used to say win anyway. And Sanders had one good game all year…not a big loss.
 

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There’s no other explanation than coaching. The early season success can be attributed to everything clicking at once. Once the injuries occurred it was Kingston’s job to push the right buttons to, at the very least, keep the wheels from falling off. He failed miserably. Every single button he’s pushed has been wrong.
 

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I'm not one to play both sides of the fence. I give Kingston credit for all of it, both the early season success and the late season collapse.
 
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There’s no other explanation than coaching. The early season success can be attributed to everything clicking at once. Once the injuries occurred it was Kingston’s job to push the right buttons to, at the very least, keep the wheels from falling off. He failed miserably. Every single button he’s pushed has been wrong.
Someone switched the keys on the buttons he was pushing!
 
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From where we were starting the Auburn series to where we very likely may end up is unexplainable.
If this plays out as not hosting a regional, losing in a regional how can it be justified in keeping the HC?
IMO injuries are not the reason for this potential ending to this season.
Kingston shouldn't be going anywhere after this year. Here's why:
1) Team is talented. Injuries hurt, but they sort of over-achieved for a while when injuries hit. Pitching has faltered most of the last 3 weeks, other than Arkansas series. If you want to blame pitching coach, OK. Fact of the matter is, Sanders not pitching up to snuff and Hall getting injured, really hurt.
2) I don't see that Kingston did anything specifically to blow all of these games. At some point, the players have to produce. They have to hit with runners on base and make plays in the field. They did that for the first 2/3 of the season and have not been doing it as much lately, so to me, it's on the players to get their heads out of their rear ends. That being said, sometimes teams peak early and hit a lull. That's where we are.
3) BIGGEST REASON: There is a lot of talent on this team that will be back next year. If you change coaches, a lot of them may leave to go to rival SEC or other schools with coaches that recruited them and thus you are starting over and you're n the dump. That's not what we need at this point. We currently have a team with lots of talent and potential.

It's funny... when the team was hitting well early in the year, people wanted to only give credit to Monte Lee. Now that they're not hitting, it's Kingston's fault.
 

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Right now, I'm blaming Parker for the sorry state of the pitching staff. Have to coach up and prepare your mid-week starters, and even relievers with potential as starters, to be ready to fill in as weekend starters for the situation we are in now. Don't see anyone physically or mentally prepped for that role. Jones and Becker are likely to fill the role but preparation early in the season was lacking and its showing. I know Hall and Sanders were counted on heavily but preparation in advance is key.
 

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Right now, I'm blaming Parker for the sorry state of the pitching staff. Have to coach up and prepare your mid-week starters, and even relievers with potential as starters, to be ready to fill in as weekend starters for the situation we are in now. Don't see anyone physically or mentally prepped for that role. Jones and Becker are likely to fill the role but preparation early in the season was lacking and its showing. I know Hall and Sanders were counted on heavily but preparation in advance is key.
I agree. What ever happened to "win anyway". It's turned into "well, we had injuries, OK!!".
 

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Kingston shouldn't be going anywhere after this year. Here's why:
1) Team is talented. Injuries hurt, but they sort of over-achieved for a while when injuries hit. Pitching has faltered most of the last 3 weeks, other than Arkansas series. If you want to blame pitching coach, OK. Fact of the matter is, Sanders not pitching up to snuff and Hall getting injured, really hurt.
2) I don't see that Kingston did anything specifically to blow all of these games. At some point, the players have to produce. They have to hit with runners on base and make plays in the field. They did that for the first 2/3 of the season and have not been doing it as much lately, so to me, it's on the players to get their heads out of their rear ends. That being said, sometimes teams peak early and hit a lull. That's where we are.
3) BIGGEST REASON: There is a lot of talent on this team that will be back next year. If you change coaches, a lot of them may leave to go to rival SEC or other schools with coaches that recruited them and thus you are starting over and you're n the dump. That's not what we need at this point. We currently have a team with lots of talent and potential.

It's funny... when the team was hitting well early in the year, people wanted to only give credit to Monte Lee. Now that they're not hitting, it's Kingston's fault.
Reason 3. It would be the AD job to get a coach that the majority of players would stay here and play. Some may leave, that's the breaks. Some may come in, that's good.
As for your hitting thoughts, I think the players aren't executing under pressure. I don't blame either coach for that.
 

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I keep watching. Every game, every inning. The past month has been bad. I look on wondering if I'm having a nightmare.
 
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Kingston shouldn't be going anywhere after this year. Here's why:
1) Team is talented. Injuries hurt, but they sort of over-achieved for a while when injuries hit. Pitching has faltered most of the last 3 weeks, other than Arkansas series. If you want to blame pitching coach, OK. Fact of the matter is, Sanders not pitching up to snuff and Hall getting injured, really hurt.
2) I don't see that Kingston did anything specifically to blow all of these games. At some point, the players have to produce. They have to hit with runners on base and make plays in the field. They did that for the first 2/3 of the season and have not been doing it as much lately, so to me, it's on the players to get their heads out of their rear ends. That being said, sometimes teams peak early and hit a lull. That's where we are.
3) BIGGEST REASON: There is a lot of talent on this team that will be back next year. If you change coaches, a lot of them may leave to go to rival SEC or other schools with coaches that recruited them and thus you are starting over and you're n the dump. That's not what we need at this point. We currently have a team with lots of talent and potential.

It's funny... when the team was hitting well early in the year, people wanted to only give credit to Monte Lee. Now that they're not hitting, it's Kingston's fault.
Those are all fine points. This program spent 4 decades as one of the top programs in the country. We should hold the HC accountable to those standards. I don't care what the reasons are....King can't overcome them. So what we're saying is, we have to wait until he has a roster loaded with MLB talent that stays 100% healthy the whole year to judge him. That's ludicrous. He should be judged on his results just as Holbrook was. Crazy thing is, Holbrook has something King doesn't...he was the AHC for a CWS winning team.

Holbrook (5 years): Hosted 3 regionals, went to 2 supers, won the East once.
Kingston (5 years not including COVID year, including this year): Hosted 1 regional, went to one super. 0 divisional/conf titles. Even if we host and get to a super, he's done less than Holbrook did to get fired.

That's great that Kingston has a talented team. He's proving he can't do anything with it. I guess we could turn it around and get hot again. But I'm not expecting that. We hired a career .500 coach and expected him to take us back to the promised land. He is what he is.
 

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I know Ray is going to have a reason to delay making a change but, assuming a decision is made do so, who would be your choice?
 

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I know Ray is going to have a reason to delay making a change but, assuming a decision is made do so, who would be your choice?
Someone who has knowledge of pitching and offense philosophy of moving runners over. I think we have an assistant who can handle the hitting philosophy, ML.
My personal choice would be Mark Calvi. He seemed to handle our pitching well in the past.
However, I don't have knowledge of everyone who might be available.
 

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I know Ray is going to have a reason to delay making a change but, assuming a decision is made do so, who would be your choice?
No idea. But lets stay away from guys that have had a flat career, stay away from guys that have hovered around .500. Give me Landon Powell before you hire another Kingston.
 

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Kingston shouldn't be going anywhere after this year. Here's why:
1) Team is talented. Injuries hurt, but they sort of over-achieved for a while when injuries hit. Pitching has faltered most of the last 3 weeks, other than Arkansas series. If you want to blame pitching coach, OK. Fact of the matter is, Sanders not pitching up to snuff and Hall getting injured, really hurt.
2) I don't see that Kingston did anything specifically to blow all of these games. At some point, the players have to produce. They have to hit with runners on base and make plays in the field. They did that for the first 2/3 of the season and have not been doing it as much lately, so to me, it's on the players to get their heads out of their rear ends. That being said, sometimes teams peak early and hit a lull. That's where we are.
3) BIGGEST REASON: There is a lot of talent on this team that will be back next year. If you change coaches, a lot of them may leave to go to rival SEC or other schools with coaches that recruited them and thus you are starting over and you're n the dump. That's not what we need at this point. We currently have a team with lots of talent and potential.

It's funny... when the team was hitting well early in the year, people wanted to only give credit to Monte Lee. Now that they're not hitting, it's Kingston's fault.
Those are all fine points. This program spent 4 decades as one of the top programs in the country. We should hold the HC accountable to those standards. I don't care what the reasons are....King can't overcome them. So what we're saying is, we have to wait until he has a roster loaded with MLB talent that stays 100% healthy the whole year to judge him. That's ludicrous. He should be judged on his results just as Holbrook was. Crazy thing is, Holbrook has something King doesn't...he was the AHC for a CWS winning team.

Holbrook (5 years): Hosted 3 regionals, went to 2 supers, won the East once.
Kingston (5 years not including COVID year, including this year): Hosted 1 regional, went to one super. 0 divisional/conf titles. Even if we host and get to a super, he's done less than Holbrook did to get fired.

That's great that Kingston has a talented team. He's proving he can't do anything with it. I guess we could turn it around and get hot again. But I'm not expecting that. We hired a career .500 coach and expected him to take us back to the promised land. He is what he is.

Two solid posts. I can agree with a lot in both!!
 

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only 1 answer IMO....Landon Powell
I could get on board with that. He clearly knows how to coach. He's getting good talent to go to Tigerville, SC, where you can't have alcohol on campus, can't have a girl in your room, have to go to chapel, etc...Just an all around good dude too.
 
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Those are all fine points. This program spent 4 decades as one of the top programs in the country. We should hold the HC accountable to those standards. I don't care what the reasons are....King can't overcome them. So what we're saying is, we have to wait until he has a roster loaded with MLB talent that stays 100% healthy the whole year to judge him. That's ludicrous. He should be judged on his results just as Holbrook was. Crazy thing is, Holbrook has something King doesn't...he was the AHC for a CWS winning team.

Holbrook (5 years): Hosted 3 regionals, went to 2 supers, won the East once.
Kingston (5 years not including COVID year, including this year): Hosted 1 regional, went to one super. 0 divisional/conf titles. Even if we host and get to a super, he's done less than Holbrook did to get fired.

That's great that Kingston has a talented team. He's proving he can't do anything with it. I guess we could turn it around and get hot again. But I'm not expecting that. We hired a career .500 coach and expected him to take us back to the promised land. He is what he is.
Agree... USC has a great baseball past, but now more teams, especially in the SEC give a crap about baseball now and are building new stadiums etc. Shoot, look at the SEC in the last few years... Florida and Vandy won the CWS,,,, 2 years ago Miss. St. won the CWS... last year Ole Miss won the CWS and they won't even make the SEC Tournament this year!
My point is, we have a lot of fans who think that just because we had a great run (2010-2012) that it should always be like. In college baseball with limited scholarships and now NIL and the portal, it's harder and harder to get there. Kingston brought in a lot of talent.... they may have overachieved early this year, but if you told me at beginning of the year that after a losing season last year we'd be in this position today, I'd say sign me up!
 
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Reason 3. It would be the AD job to get a coach that the majority of players would stay here and play. Some may leave, that's the breaks. Some may come in, that's good.
As for your hitting thoughts, I think the players aren't executing under pressure. I don't blame either coach for that.
Easier said than done in this day and age. Not likely. New coach generally means a rebuild and lot of kids would want to transfer where they can win right away.

We will see what happens. If they win the series this weekend, they're back to hosting and all is right with the world. Anything can happen after that.
 

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Landon Powell would be my choice!
congrats to N Greenville on their Regional win the other night....hit a 3 run HR in the bottom of the 9th to win 6-5....dude that hit it now has the All-Time Career Homerun Record in Div. 2 with 76...hats off to him....good job coach
 

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Agree... USC has a great baseball past, but now more teams, especially in the SEC give a crap about baseball now and are building new stadiums etc. Shoot, look at the SEC in the last few years... Florida and Vandy won the CWS,,,, 2 years ago Miss. St. won the CWS... last year Ole Miss won the CWS and they won't even make the SEC Tournament this year!
My point is, we have a lot of fans who think that just because we had a great run (2010-2012) that it should always be like. In college baseball with limited scholarships and now NIL and the portal, it's harder and harder to get there. Kingston brought in a lot of talent.... they may have overachieved early this year, but if you told me at beginning of the year that after a losing season last year we'd be in this position today, I'd say sign me up!
I get that. The SEC has always been a powerhouse though. Are there one or two teams that have stepped up, sure. But we're usually not playing those teams in the NCAAT. I'm not saying we have win 50 regular season games. But we should be in Omaha at least once in 5 years. We should be in the NCAAT every year. We should host a regional 4 out of 5 years, and host a super 2 of 5. What's happened to our program is sickening.

It's waaay more than 2010-2012. Go back to Richardson in the 70s-80s. The 90s weren't great, but 2000-2012 we were elite.

Your last sentence kind of makes my point. We're at a point in our program where we're coming off of a losing season in year 5, and happy to be barely hanging on to a regional...after not being to Omaha in a decade. We should expect more. I'm hopeful we turn it around and make a run to Omaha. It's more likely to not happen just based off of King's career and how this team is losing games.
 

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Sweep UT, host a regional, win the regional and all will be forgotten.
 

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Sweep UT, host a regional, win the regional and all will be forgotten.
Would love for that to happen but its a big ask based on our performance the past few weeks and the status of our pitching staff. Hitting could snap out of it starting today but pitching is not in the position to do the same, unless a Michael Roth type comes out of nowhere.
 

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Sweep UT, host a regional, win the regional and all will be forgotten.
That won't change my opinion that he should be fired if we don't make it to Omaha. I don't care what the preseason expectations were. He's responsible for those lowered expectations.
 
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I get that. The SEC has always been a powerhouse though. Are there one or two teams that have stepped up, sure. But we're usually not playing those teams in the NCAAT. I'm not saying we have win 50 regular season games. But we should be in Omaha at least once in 5 years. We should be in the NCAAT every year. We should host a regional 4 out of 5 years, and host a super 2 of 5. What's happened to our program is sickening.

It's waaay more than 2010-2012. Go back to Richardson in the 70s-80s. The 90s weren't great, but 2000-2012 we were elite.

Your last sentence kind of makes my point. We're at a point in our program where we're coming off of a losing season in year 5, and happy to be barely hanging on to a regional...after not being to Omaha in a decade. We should expect more. I'm hopeful we turn it around and make a run to Omaha. It's more likely to not happen just based off of King's career and how this team is losing games.
I wouldn't even hold the coach to an "Omaha or else" standard. The postseason is too much of a crapshoot, anything can happen. But the standard needs to be regional hosts every year, competing for SEC championships every year. If you do that, the tournament will take care of itself.
 

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I wouldn't even hold the coach to an "Omaha or else" standard. The postseason is too much of a crapshoot, anything can happen. But the standard needs to be regional hosts every year, competing for SEC championships every year. If you do that, the tournament will take care of itself.
I would agree for someone that's hosting every year and competing for Championships. Kingston is not doing that.
 
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I would agree for someone that's hosting every year and competing for Championships. Kingston is not doing that.
For sure. I wasn't trying to say Kingston should be retained, he's clearly not met the standard Carolina baseball should require. He's not even met the standard of his predecessor.
 

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For sure. I wasn't trying to say Kingston should be retained, he's clearly not met the standard Carolina baseball should require. He's not even met the standard of his predecessor.
Yep. Makes you appreciate Tanner's 16 years even more. He took over a program coming off of 3 straight conf losing seasons. Won the East 6 times, 4 SEC Championships, 14 NCAAT appearances, hosted 9 regionals, hosted 6 supers, 6 CWS appearances, 2 runner ups, 2 championships. He had 5 50 win seasons. That's how far we've fallen. :(
 
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