Toggle sidebar

College FB in general....

ThinnyJ

ThinnyJ

Member
Sep 16, 2023
179
142
43
Is it possible to just allow players to be drafted into the NFL straight out of high school....

With the ultra-elite ones, they might go get that cash if they can...

Now make the rest of them sign over their rights to NIL to the school upon signing LOI for the time they're there. Maybe sign for a certain amount of cash that can be capped by the NCAA. And by signing, not only do you sign your NIL rights over, but you sign to only receive a check at the end of the year after competing as expected (Not opting out).

I'm not legal, but can this happen? I don't know what stupid stuff our judicial system has caused.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BogeyCock
92Pony

92Pony

Joined Jan 18, 2011
Jan 20, 2022
2,466
6,509
113
ThinnyJ said:
Is it possible to just allow players to be drafted into the NFL straight out of high school....

With the ultra-elite ones, they might go get that cash if they can...

Now make the rest of them sign over their rights to NIL to the school upon signing LOI for the time they're there. Maybe sign for a certain amount of cash that can be capped by the NCAA. And by signing, not only do you sign your NIL rights over, but you sign to only receive a check at the end of the year after competing as expected (Not opting out).

I'm not legal, but can this happen? I don't know what stupid stuff our judicial system has caused.
Click to expand...
Your last paragraph kinda covers it. Anything sensible will be squelched by a lawsuit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BogeyCock
S

Swifty

New member
Jan 21, 2022
94
64
8
Gamecock Jacque said:
Seems like something the Supreme Court would be against should anyone decide to take it on.
Click to expand...
Age descrimination only applies to those 40+ years old. I don't think the SC would uphold any case against the NFL's rule, especially a conservative leaning SC.
 
G

Gamecock Jacque

Joined Dec 20, 2020
Jan 30, 2022
4,174
4,254
113
Swifty said:
Age descrimination only applies to those 40+ years old. I don't think the SC would uphold any case against the NFL's rule, especially a conservative leaning SC.
Click to expand...
We're talking about adult citizens (high school graduates) being denied working in their chosen fields. Based on previous rulings I'd bet on the court ruling it goes against The Constitution.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cybercock and Lurker123
ThinnyJ

ThinnyJ

Member
Sep 16, 2023
179
142
43
Then for those who know law.... What will it take to get college football out of the mess we are in?
 
J

Johnny She Said

Active member
Feb 4, 2022
247
268
63
Its hard find a silver lining. hopefully maybe this stuff will settle on its own with schools, businesses, boosters, etc tightening up their money with better performance based, pay -after play contracts. Maybe the ncaa can somehow limit the number of transfers. The realization of there being free agent college players continues to be a disenchantment.
 
Harvard Gamecock

Harvard Gamecock

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2022
2,211
2,071
113
ThinnyJ said:
Then for those who know law.... What will it take to get college football out of the mess we are in?
Click to expand...
When you reach the top of the stairs, your answer will present itself

 
I

Irvin Snibbley

Active member
Mar 24, 2022
417
294
63
Gamecock Jacque said:
That was definitely a different SC than the one we have today. We'll see.
Click to expand...
The 3 yr rule was collectively bargained by NFL and NFL Players Association.Because of this the 3 yr rule is allowed by the courts.Thats why some think that making college athletes emplyeees and collectively bargain is the only way to control things.I think there are many unintended consequences for both sides if they go this.
 
G

gamecock stock

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2022
2,572
2,296
113
IPOC said:
As soon as the cash was allowed the total demise of college football was ignited.
Click to expand...
What most don't realize, the Supreme Court ruling 3 1/2 years ago for NIL, was unanimous. That means conservative and liberal justices voted for it, I believe they erred, resulting in ruining the greatest collegiate sport around.

What I don't understand is if there's a cap on how much can be paid for NFL player salaries, why is there not a cap on NIL? I suspect that schools in richer states are calling the shots. Unlimited NIL is to their advantage. I don't believe it's a coincidence that there has been talk of increasing the number of scholarship players on a team. That too would be to the advantage of the traditional powers.

And why not have recruits sign 4 -year contracts? Are not players in the NFL subject to contracts? If a school screwed up in their evaluation of a high school prospect, well, then that's too bad. Both parties are stuck with each other, unless both parties agreed to end the contract.

There are things that could be done to improve the system. Those things would have been done by now and probably pass legal muster. But, I suspect that there are schools benefitting who like the way things are today. That's a shame because college sports has become semi-pro.

When you have players who can opt out of playing in bowls, something is badly wrong with collegiate sports. A contract could prevent such ridiculousness. Of course, I'm in the camp that there not be any bowls. If you don't make the playoffs, then your season should be over.
 
D

Dabo's Weenie

Member
Nov 30, 2024
210
224
43
gamecock stock said:
What most don't realize, the Supreme Court ruling 3 1/2 years ago for NIL, was unanimous. That means conservative and liberal justices voted for it, I believe they erred, resulting in ruining the greatest collegiate sport around.

What I don't understand is if there's a cap on how much can be paid for NFL player salaries, why is there not a cap on NIL? I suspect that schools in richer states are calling the shots. Unlimited NIL is to their advantage. I don't believe it's a coincidence that there has been talk of increasing the number of scholarship players on a team. That too would be to the advantage of the traditional powers.

And why not have recruits sign 4 -year contracts? Are not players in the NFL subject to contracts? If a school screwed up in their evaluation of a high school prospect, well, then that's too bad. Both parties are stuck with each other, unless both parties agreed to end the contract.

There are things that could be done to improve the system. Those things would have been done by now and probably pass legal muster. But, I suspect that there are schools benefitting who like the way things are today. That's a shame because college sports has become semi-pro.

When you have players who can opt out of playing in bowls, something is badly wrong with collegiate sports. A contract could prevent such ridiculousness. Of course, I'm in the camp that there not be any bowls. If you don't make the playoffs, then your season should be over.
Click to expand...

I won't pretend to be an expert on the matter and there are good articles out there that explain the details, but the NCAA and NFL player situations are entirely different and these are the basics as I understand them from what I've digested -

The NCAA can't put caps on NIL because the money doesn't come from its member institutions and the players aren't employees of the schools, it comes from outside sources (similar to endorsement deals by pros). The NFL puts limits on player contract totals (salary caps) with NFL teams but has no authority to limit how much money a player can be paid from outside sources, such as shoe companies, etc. This is where the SC has said you can't limit college players income from outside sources. The only way to have a situation similar to the NFL is to have an organization similar to the NFL - collective bargaining/unionization.

Hope that helps some.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lurker123
T

TeeCock

Member
Jan 21, 2022
255
162
43
gamecock stock said:
What most don't realize, the Supreme Court ruling 3 1/2 years ago for NIL, was unanimous. That means conservative and liberal justices voted for it, I believe they erred, resulting in ruining the greatest collegiate sport around.

What I don't understand is if there's a cap on how much can be paid for NFL player salaries, why is there not a cap on NIL? I suspect that schools in richer states are calling the shots. Unlimited NIL is to their advantage. I don't believe it's a coincidence that there has been talk of increasing the number of scholarship players on a team. That too would be to the advantage of the traditional powers.

And why not have recruits sign 4 -year contracts? Are not players in the NFL subject to contracts? If a school screwed up in their evaluation of a high school prospect, well, then that's too bad. Both parties are stuck with each other, unless both parties agreed to end the contract.

There are things that could be done to improve the system. Those things would have been done by now and probably pass legal muster. But, I suspect that there are schools benefitting who like the way things are today. That's a shame because college sports has become semi-pro.

When you have players who can opt out of playing in bowls, something is badly wrong with collegiate sports. A contract could prevent such ridiculousness. Of course, I'm in the camp that there not be any bowls. If you don't make the playoffs, then your season should be over.
Click to expand...
Increasing number of scholarship players would go back to time when Bryant and Bama were getting 100-110 players so another team couldn't sign them
 
  • Like
Reactions: gamecock stock
S

Swifty

New member
Jan 21, 2022
94
64
8
Gamecock Jacque said:
We're talking about adult citizens (high school graduates) being denied working in their chosen fields. Based on previous rulings I'd bet on the court ruling it goes against The Constitution.
Click to expand...
There are no grounds on which to make a case, though. NFL is a private organization that has requirements that are probably a part of their CBA with the NFLPA. The constitution isn't being violated. Heck, to be POTUS, one is required to be at least 35 years old. That's in the constitution.
 
C

Cackmandu

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2022
855
621
93
TeeCock said:
Increasing number of scholarship players would go back to time when Bryant and Bama were getting 100-110 players so another team couldn't sign them
Click to expand...
Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same type thing, any salary cap could easily be thwarted by the old system, under the table.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom