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Backer hasn't even been that big of a sheep lately. Quit riding the coat tails of **** that you've heard about in the past. You're trying too hard.
 

DowntownDawg

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....I hope one day I can be just like you. Constantly going apeshit over nothing, polling the board about whether or not you should go to the SEC tournament (that's such a great topic, thanks for putting it out there), and holding down both the "worst poster on the board" title and the "Sixpack resident manic depressive" simultaneously. Impressive.
 
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...but you're just more of a crybaby.

Commence with your next lame "Meds! You're bipolar!" retort.</p>
 

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You must have a different definition of what a top program is. When I think of a top 10 program, I think of one that, you know, wins. To say we are a top 10 program after missing the conference tournament 3 out of the last 5 years is beyond asinine. We haven't been top 10 since the 1980's. Like somebody said, we are program with top 10 potential, but it's been a long time since that potential has been realized. Maybe the new coach will change that.
 

DowntownDawg

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Who's in your top 10, then? Be sure to make room for Louisville and UC-Irvine.

This statement is right there with your "we'll hit .330 as a team" blanket statement: completely sheepish and horribly wrong.
 

Bulldog Backer

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I have attempted to be as positive, but objective, as I can without being damaging to our university. If being positive in the face of negativism is being a sheep, then "Baaaaaah!"

As for the baseball team's position right now among programs across the country, we are NOT among the top 10, plain and simple. Anyone who believes otherwise, needs to look at our record the last 10 years. Sure, we made the College World Series a couple of times, but generally we have been pretty mediocre. I don't correlate mediocrity with "Top 10" anything. McMahon had a better winning percentage record than Polk's last tour, despite being fired.
 

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.I have attempted to be as positive, but objective, as I can without being damaging to our university. If being positive in the face of negativism is being a sheep, then "Baaaaaah!"
Do you think anybody on this or any other message board "damages" the university by what they post?

Why not just be realistic? You are actually being realistic about the baseball program, just apply it to everything. It's not that hard.

McMahon had a better winning percentage record than Polk's last tour, despite being fired.
State didn't fire McMahon. Are you talking about his run at Florida?
 

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MSU is not even a top 25 program. During the Patty Mac and Ron Polk II eras, the best record we've had is 42 wins overall (twice by each coach) and 17 SEC wins (2 by Patty, 1 by Polkie).

Here's a little bonus trivia:

Names the SEC teams, since the divisional split in 1992, who have neither won a East/West division title or an SEC overall title?
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Answer: Mississippi State. The ONLY team in the SEC to have never won a division or SEC title in the last 16 years.

1989 seems like a lifetime ago.....
 

Bulldog Backer

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This is my true and honest feelings. You can agree with them, or disagree with them. I know for a fact that we have lost recruits by things people say on internet message boards. Quentin Groves was one. He was coming to State but thought we would be on serious probation due to all the internet rumors. Does that help or hurt MSU? Well, you might say, we didn't really need thin skinned players representing us. Maybe they would have left when hard times hit? I'd rather have them, however, than give them to LSU, Alabama, Auburn or Ole Miss.

Think back to the vicious internet rumors which were spread by ColReb in his "commentaries," the rumors of XenaReb, JediReb, ARay and their viciousness and claims of NCAA violations, when none of any real magnitude really occurred. We got 3 years probation and lost scholarships. Over what? Even the NCAA report said that they initiated the investigation due largely to information which came from internet message boards. We even had some of our own people believing their drivel and repeating it. The NCAA placed us on probation partly because of the preponderance of internet rumors that we cheated. It is in their report as such. The rumors were given credence by newspaper writers who wrote things after reading them on the internet...untrue things. The rumors were rife for 3 years, before we even got probation. The Ole Miss disinformation cadre kept claiming we would get the "death penalty." One writer, who was caught plagiarizing material, and was recently fired from the Mobile Press Register, was one of their conduits to legitimizing the rumors. He is back with ColReb.

Do you think that no one reads and really pays attention to what you post other than frequent posters here? What do you think it says to recruits who know little about us when they read what our own people are saying about our coaching staff on the internet? What does it do to the confidence of our own players, people like Michael Henig when people said vicious things about him? Saying vicious things about players, recruits, and coaches on the internet is like booing people. Do you think recruits will sign with us, when there is nothing but a chorus of boos from our own fans?

I have just as much, sometimes more concern, about some of the issues surfaced here on this board, but I don't call coaches or players stupid. I don't call them childish names. I can be concerned about our offense, and how productive it will be, but I won't call a coach a 17ing idiot. I try to use good judgment about what to write about and what not. I can write my honest feelings, but I don't have to be an a**hole about it, nor demeaning of someone's character.

I really like this board. I read things here that are deleted on Gene's Page in a heartbeat. Things that happen often get printed here first. The humor is sophomoric at times, but really funny at others. I like looking at the pictures of girls too, even though some would say I am too old for that kind of thing. I think my 31 year old girlfriend would disagree!
 

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I do agree that people in the media read these boards. It's very obvious that Ellis does for the Tupelo paper. Apparently Byrne reads it as well- which I think is good, because the AD can use MB's like a suggestion box in a way. So, I do agree that what we say might have a slight impact on what happens. The fact that we are even having at least a pseudo coaching search- I say that because if we hire Raffo I won't believe that we really did one, is at least in small part because of what fans have said.

I disagree at least a little about the recruits. We may have had some recruits run off by what is said on a MB, but honestly, if that's the case, they probably don't need to be playing D-I anything, anywhere. Right or wrong, this is how our society is. So, I guess running off recruits that can't handle the heat probably is a good thing for us in the long run. I'm just saying that a guy like Henig won't be throwing any INT's for us next year. Whether that's because if us, I kind of doubt it, though. I also think it's good that athletes know what is expected out of them from us- and I don't think asking someone to do their vey best and play hard is over the line. I also don't think wanting to win is over the line either.

But, I will commend you. I do think that you have done a pretty good job of being an objective poster here and not a homer, so +1 for your Internet cred from me. Hell, even Anakin Skywalker eventually saw the light and turned to the Dark Side.</p>
 

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How is any of that any different from you claiming that Khayat was hiding our letter from the NCAA in his desk drawers? I agree with you that the NCAA investigation of MSU ultimately turned up nothing of substance and it appeared that Johanni-whatever was on a witch hunt. I'm not saying it is fair at all but surely MSU knew when they hired Jackie that the NCAA would constantly be on his ***. It will be no different for Neuheisel at UCLA. Everytime another coach complains about him, the NCAA will take it a bit more serious than they do others. It's not fair but that's the way it is.</p>
 

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and objective, unless your objectivity leads you to a positive conclusion. The problem is that your objectivity should lead you to a negative conclusion sometimes as well.
 
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Blame Ole Miss all you want, but the truth is USM started your investigation with the Willie Evans (?) deal.....shortly after they investigated the Buckles/Espy/Spencer to Ole Miss deal.

The truth is also that they were sick of Jackie pulling the same **** everywhere he went.

You can believe it or not. I don't care, but it's the truth. The internet didn't have anything to do with it. It all started with USM reporting you on the recruit from Southeast Mississippi....(I wanna say Evans, but I can't remember for sure right now).
 

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Porkchop said:
and objective, unless your objectivity leads you to a positive conclusion. The problem is that your objectivity should lead you to a negative conclusion sometimes as well.

...a. Our football offense has been pathetic ever since Croom got here. There is either something wrong with the scheme, or something wrong with the execution. I don't buy that we just don't have the athletes to implement it, and if not, we should have built an offense around what they <span style="font-weight: bold;">could</span> execute.</p>

...b. Tommy Raffo has been a poor to mediocre hitting coach, and mediocre evaluator of talent. Our players' slugging percentage has been among the worst in the SEC since he arrived, and don't blame The Dude's size. We have had plenty of baseball players hit more than 20 HR's per season prior to his arrival.</p>

...c. Rick Stansbury is an excellent recruiter, but doesn't take maximum advantage of the capabilities of his players. He is a very good defensive coach, but his half court offenses stand around too much. That is design and execution, not deficits in talent.
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Damn I thought you said Khayat was responsible.

...did I ever say Khayat was responsible for our probation. The NCAA Report itself, mentions them following up on internet rumors.
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Did that make them a top 15 program in 2004?

Hell no.

One year does not, and cannot, make an entire program, unless the said program WINS the NC.</p>
 

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become a BCS game? The CWS would be the equivalent of a BCS game, and I would say one of the top New Year's Day Bowls is like going to a SR.

Personally I think it should be, but that's a whole different thread.
 
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