Croom

[DoggyDawg]

After listening to all of the coaches at media day, I have come to a conclusion...

I would not trade our coach for any in the conference. This might sound crazy to some of you guys I know, and I will welcome comments.

This is the short version of my case:
He is a winner, he is classy, and he provides our student athletes with opportunities to excel on the field and off.

 

[DoggyDawg]

After listening to all of the coaches at media day, I have come to a conclusion...

I would not trade our coach for any in the conference. This might sound crazy to some of you guys I know, and I will welcome comments.

This is the short version of my case:
He is a winner, he is classy, and he provides our student athletes with opportunities to excel on the field and off.

 

[Duane Chapman]

"classy"- rule violation but nonetheless true

"provides our student athletes with opportunities to excel on the field and off" -agreed

"winner"- overall, as a head coach (17 wins in four years) the jury is still out on that one. Personally, I believe he will eventually become a consistent winner and be considered a great coach, but neither are certain to happen.

 

[Fletch Fletcher]

It's amazing what one winning season can do to people's perception of reality. I would trade Croom in a heartbeat for the vast majority of the other coaches in the SEC.

 

[patdog]

or had an undefeated season in the SEC. And half the coaches in the league have done one or the other.

 

[Stansfield]

Croom is a great guy, a motivator, and seems to be filled with integrity, but you still cannot technically call him a winner. He still has a losing record over the past 4 years at State. Let's not get delusional about the guy. Even if he won all of his games this season, he would still have a losing career record as the HC at State. Let's hope he gets closer to .500 this season.

 

[birdZdawg]

Richt, Tubberville, Spurrier, Meyer. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

The jury is still out if Croom is a winner or not.

I think the guy has great intentions of making his players successful on the field and off. But, his players' arrest records have not been a real good indicator of his success off the field. And I really do want that for my coach -- the whole doing it the right way, building character, etc. And winning. It's clear to me that Croom has intentions of doing all of that, which puts him ahead of some coaches that don't even have any intentions on the character end of things. However, you can't say clearly he has been successful yet at any of that.</p>

 

[Dog in the Know]

I will welcome his replacment with open arms.

 

[Todd4State]

it's Woody McCorvey, of course.

I think ALL of the coaches at MSU just learned a lesson about choosing their successor, though.</p>

 

[DowntownDawg]

...save Brooks, Johnson, and Petrino (only because of the length of stay factor). Nutt is a push. Everybody else I would swap him for easily.

 

[OEMDawg]

Winner...ummm no Classy? VERY overused and overrated term that gets thrown around way too much in regard to coaches How exactly did you gleam knowledge from a bunch of rah rah speeches that Croom gives "student athletes" more of a chance to succeed than any other coach in the SEC. Nice examples of being a homer but you didn't provide anything of substance to distinguish Croom from any of his colleagues. Like it was already mentioned I can think of 5-7 SEC coaches that I would trade Croom for in a heartbeat

 

[AccountingDawg]

Anybody else think it's kinda funny that Cromm has totaled [17] wins in 4 seasons... Just saying...

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

He's totally changed the dynamic in Alabama, in a way not even Pat Dye nor Shug Jordan ever did- now, AUBURN is the flagship school over there. He's going for 7 in a row and I see him running Nick Saban out of the State of Alabama with his tail between his legs.

He won using Crazy Glue and string at OM, he won with powerhouse teams at Auburn.</p>

 

[Coach34]

1 winning season and the man's a genius...good grief...

I'd take all of them over Crooms except... well...no, i'd take all of them...even Johnson

 

[rebel law]

I would not trade our coach for any in the conference.

That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. So you are telling me that if you are Greg Byrne and Tubberville, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Saban, or Miles call you up and tell you they want to come to Starkville, you would tell them thanks but no thanks. You can't be %!%#+%# serious.

 

[DerHntr]

I know he must be feeling the heat so he sends this crap over here to even the playing field. The influx of this type of homerific ******** is getting out of hand.

 

[bonedaddy401]

After listening to all of the coaches at media day, I have come to a conclusion...

I would not trade our coach for any in the conference. This might sound crazy to some of you guys I know, and I will welcome comments.

This is the short version of my case:
He is a winner, he is classy, and he provides our student athletes with opportunities to excel on the field and off.

Your crazy. Mark R, Urban M, Les M, and Tubby would be the ones I would take. I'll pass on Steve S and Saban.</p>

 

[War Machine Dawg]

I'd take virtually every coach in the conference over Croom. I like him too, but Tubby, Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Meyer, Richt, Nutt, Petrino, and Johnson are all better coaches at this point. I wouldn't take Brooks or Fulmer, but that's about it. 9 of 11. And Brooks is a push for me. Croom is good, but to say I wouldn't rather have any of the others is ridiculous. And the only reason I say Fulmer is that his teams have underachieved like hell at UT. They should be much, much better but have sucked *** the last few years. He's done, but I keep hoping UT is too dumb to realize it and make a move to hire a coach who can take the talent the attract and win with it.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

DoggyDawg wrote

I would not trade our coach for any in the conference.

God make it stop.
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[saddawg]

I would trade for the other 2 in this state

 

[onewoof]

if you want a sumbitch that wins at all costs

or an outstanding man that wins them all with integrity

so far i have never found a head coach that could do both well

 

[BillBrasky10]

Id rather have Croom than Nutt and Saben. All day

 

[saddawg]

Unreal

 

[Coach34]

Id rather have Croom than Nutt and Saben. All day

</p>Nutt has been to Atlanta multiple times...and Saban is one of the best defensive minds in football...and you would rather have Crooms? All because our defense won games for us last year? Really?

 

[ArrowDawg]

.....doesn't matter, and that we can make an offensive scheme work that sometimes doesn't work for college teams with 10x the talent.

As for being a "winner," in what capacity are you referring to? In life? Yeah, I'd agree with that. As a head football coach? That's highly debatable with just one good season in four years. Let's see what happens this year before making a judgment on that.

As of right now, there's definitely another coach or two in the SEC who I'd rather have, but that we can't afford. If Croom continues to win, then he may change my mind about that.

 

[RebelRichman.nafoom]

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[HammerOfTheDogs]

nm</p>

 

[HD6]

having a similar discussion before leaving Gene's Page about Kevin Fant. Everyone kept saying "he's a winner". I still don't get that.

 

[patdog]

There are plenty of posters with hard-ons for Fant on this board too. I don't get it either.

 

[Todd4State]

it's because he showed some potential to be pretty good when he was a So. When he was healthy and not suffering from shell shock from getting sacked 78 times a season, he had a pretty strong arm and was pretty mobile until JWS dubmass QB sneak in one of the Troy debacles.

Also, he was the QB who beat Eli in 2001 and quite frankly had the better game that day, and for a lot of the woolier fans that gets some major love.

He did have the misfortune of playing for two of the shittiest MSU teams that I have ever seen in my life, including no o-line, crappy receivers who couldn't catch anything, the Dontae Walker express running game, and the Arizona Western version of the JLD defense in 02-03. And to be fair to Fant he was one of the few guys that was trying. Plus, many of his INT's were because he was trying to make a play to get something going, but of course, those rarely went our way.

Then he had to put up with the tire gate BS on top it all off.

The ironic thing to me is I think he would have been really good in Croom's WCO.

But despite all of that, I do agree that you can not call him a winner, whether that was in or out of his control. Maybe you could call him a tragic hero of sorts, but not a winner.</p>

 

[bootydawg]

I mean I agree he is a shining example of class but not sure one sound season is enough to make him the best in the conference. He is one of the top but there are a couple better. Maybe he would be better as an administrator if we found a better coach.

 

[dogfan96]

with a broken leg (sarcasm off)

 

[RebelBruiser]

I mean I agree he is a shining example of class but not sure one sound season is enough to make him the best in the conference. He is one of the top but there
are a couple better. Maybe he would be better as an administrator if we found a better coach.

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I don't even think you can say that yet. If he wins an SEC title at MSU in the coming years, then you might can put him up with some of the best in the league, but not now. This league is stacked with great coaches. To even be considered in the top half (which Croom isn't by most objective standards) is a great honor.

Coaches with national titles:
Meyer
Saban
Fulmer
Spurrier
Miles

Coaches with SEC titles:
Meyer
Saban
Fulmer
Spurrier
Miles
Richt
Tubberville

You might get some argument from people saying Fulmer is no longer one of the best in the league, but you'd be hard pressed to put Croom in front of any others from that group except for Fulmer, and even that would be a stretch.

That's before even discussing Nutt who made two trips to the SEC title game and Petrino who took Louisville to a BCS bowl.

Even Rich Brooks took a basketball school to two straight bowl games. Croom inherited a tough situation, but you'd be hard pressed to even put him in the top half of the SEC based on what we've seen so far. For that matter, based purely on what we've seen, you'd probably have to put him on equal footing with Rich Brooks. Brooks inherited a similar situation at UK, and took UK to bowl games in his 4rd and 5th seasons. Croom is one season behind, but he's basically on the exact same path so far.

 

[bootydawg]

It is easy to recruit in a town as incredible as starkville so Croom's talent should flood in better than what brooks could pull into lexington.

 

[DoggyDawg]

As I predicted, many of you do not agree with me...that's fine.

I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't trade him for anyone. I will not argue with the fact that other coaches have more accomplishments, but almost all of them have been around longer than Croom and inherited better programs. We are on the way to the top where we belong.

 

[DawgDays12]

I'm under the assumption thatDoggyDawg is clearly just a fan that believes in his school/team....I've had issues with Croom so i can't be as generous in my verbal selection as previously stated....I think he's doing better and we can just hope it continues....I personally think Croom would be better at a Community College such as Holmes or Northwest but we've got what we got and we have to support him