Dartmouth men's hoops team votes to unionize

[onewoof]

Dartmouth men's hoops team votes to unionize

Dartmouth men's hoops team votes to unionize

HANOVER, N.H. (AP) — The Dartmouth men's basketball team voted to unionize Tuesday in an unprecedented step toward forming the first labor union for college athletes and another attack on the NCAA's deteriorating amateur business model.In an election supervised by the National Labor Relations...

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[Bulldog Bruce]

Interesting. Who is the employer? Is it each individual school, or conference, or NCAA? Who do they negotiate with for collective bargaining? Is it going to be one union or multiple unions because of differing issues for each group of players?

For example the NFLPA, NBAPA and MLBPA are totally different groups and couldn't possibly negotiate as one group.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Interesting. Who is the employer? Is it each individual school, or conference, or NCAA? Who do they negotiate with for collective bargaining? Is it going to be one union or multiple unions because of differing issues for each group of players?

For example the NFLPA, NBAPA and MLBPA are totally different groups and couldn't possibly negotiate as one group.

Dang Bruce, your logical questions are really killing the vibe.
I wonder if Dartmouth basketball loses money, do the players get a paycheck?

 

[Villagedawg]

Interesting. Who is the employer? Is it each individual school, or conference, or NCAA? Who do they negotiate with for collective bargaining? Is it going to be one union or multiple unions because of differing issues for each group of players?

For example the NFLPA, NBAPA and MLBPA are totally different groups and couldn't possibly negotiate as one group.

According to the article, they are employees of the school and joined local service workers union.

 

[Seinfeld]

On one hand, I don’t see this working out anywhere close to the way that the Dartmouth players are hoping, but I’m also glad this is happening so that we can finally catch of glimpse of how this is going to play out.

If I had to guess, they’ll spend months in court trying to let a judge figure out answers to all the questions that Bruce raised. Then, there will be some sort of collective bargaining session between the two parties. During that session, the employer will bargain that the unionized workers can either accept payment that is the equivalent to what they’re already receiving or else the school can shut down its men’s basketball program

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

Well, since they are 1-12 in the might Ivy League conference and 5-21 overall, what are they going to get paid? about $1.25/game? Or with that record should they be paying the school?

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

On one hand, I don’t see this working out anywhere close to the way that the Dartmouth players are hoping, but I’m also glad this is happening so that we can finally catch of glimpse of how this is going to play out.

If I had to guess, they’ll spend months in court trying to let a judge figure out answers to all the questions that Bruce raised. Then, there will be some sort of collective bargaining session between the two parties. During that session, the employer will bargain that the unionized workers can either accept payment that is the equivalent to what they’re already receiving or else the school can shut down its men’s basketball program

This is most likely what happens. A "company" has to be making money for them to even consider negotiating with a work force. I don't think Dartmouth Basketball is a large money making entity.

The other part in this particular instance, if they do earn some money due to a march madness share I am pretty sure that money is used to give the other student-athletes in the non-revenue sports opportunities. So those will probably have to go away if they discontinue Basketball.

If you want this to work as a union organizer you need to get all the SEC and Big 10 football players to vote for union representation.

 

[dorndawg]

Interesting. Who is the employer? Is it each individual school, or conference, or NCAA? Who do they negotiate with for collective bargaining? Is it going to be one union or multiple unions because of differing issues for each group of players?

For example the NFLPA, NBAPA and MLBPA are totally different groups and couldn't possibly negotiate as one group.

These are all good questions, and I'm sure there's plenty more. Luckily, nobody gives a solitary 17 about Dartmouth basketball, so it's convenient to have a test sample to see what works & what doesn't.

I'm generally pro-union, it's gotta make sense for everyone involved though.

 

[L4Dawg]

Well, since they are 1-12 in the might Ivy League conference and 5-21 overall, what are they going to get paid? about $1.25/game? Or with that record should they be paying the school?

Sounds like they should be fired with cause.

 

[57stratdawg]

Student athletes are going to end up being employees of universities. It’s hard to imagine some other structure surviving in court.

 

[onewoof]

Student athletes are going to end up being employees of universities. It’s hard to imagine some other structure surviving in court.

the are brand ambassadors and football generates millions of brand value in the SEC. Looking at you Georgia and Bama....

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

On one hand, I don’t see this working out anywhere close to the way that the Dartmouth players are hoping, but I’m also glad this is happening so that we can finally catch of glimpse of how this is going to play out.

If I had to guess, they’ll spend months in court trying to let a judge figure out answers to all the questions that Bruce raised. Then, there will be some sort of collective bargaining session between the two parties. During that session, the employer will bargain that the unionized workers can either accept payment that is the equivalent to what they’re already receiving or else the school can shut down its men’s basketball program

 

[Seinfeld]

This is most likely what happens. A "company" has to be making money for them to even consider negotiating with a work force. I don't think Dartmouth Basketball is a large money making entity.

The other part in this particular instance, if they do earn some money due to a march madness share I am pretty sure that money is used to give the other student-athletes in the non-revenue sports opportunities. So those will probably have to go away if they discontinue Basketball.

If you want this to work as a union organizer you need to get all the SEC and Big 10 football players to vote for union representation.

Right, and this is also where people tend to learn that there's a big difference between bringing in revenue and turning a profit. It's going to get complicated with Dartmouth being a private school and the way that essentially every school in the country treats its teams as departments that take part in revenue/expense sharing with all other sports within the AD. Not to mention the fact that I'm sure that Dartmouth has a multi-billion dollar endowment. However, I just don't see any way that a private school team that is losing most games and that is most likely bringing in virtually nothing for the AD as a whole is going to bargain their way to lucrative new deals. I think they're going to be asked if they want to have a men's team or not, and the bargaining will be a short discussion

 

[Choctaw Dawg]

They also only receive academic scholarships and not athletic scholarships at an ivy league school. I guess it makes more sense from the ivy league standpoint.

 

[Dawgbite]

For me college sports is on its deathbed. In three years I’ve gone from club level season ticket holder in multiple sports for 20 plus years to not even joining the BDC. Yeah I know I’m the problem but I’m not giving my hard earned money to support near dead system that has no hope. I’ll be a State fan until the day I die, I’ll go to an occasional game for the entertainment value, but I don’t think I’ll ever be financially invested again.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

4 Year and out employee, NIL, Transfer Portal, GO for IT.
(but the Union makes $)

 

[patdog]

For me college sports is on its deathbed. In three years I’ve gone from club level season ticket holder in multiple sports for 20 plus years to not even joining the BDC. Yeah I know I’m the problem but I’m not giving my hard earned money to support near dead system that has no hope. I’ll be a State fan until the day I die, I’ll go to an occasional game for the entertainment value, but I don’t think I’ll ever be financially invested again.

I switched my donations from BDC to Bulldog Initiative. At least they’ll do a little good there.