To me, this says all the comments were about physical style of play, and Dawn chose to make it about race.
Dawn goes after the media in postgame presser
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To me, this says all the comments were about physical style of play, and Dawn chose to make it about race.
Exactly, and twitter is great if you need to find something to be angry about and only have 5 minutes.
If anything I think the team should embrace opponents complaint our hard physical play. Instead of running around looking like you are sucking on a lemon(Dawn)… Turn it up a notch.
Not a good presser. We got beat. Deal with it professionally, drop the sour grapes.
Exactly, a basketball team being called bullies isn't the same as a bully in elementary school, if it's a men's bb team, it's a badge of honor. It just means you are big, tough and physical. Once again Dawn goes into her social justice mode, completely unwarranted, and stirs up the racial/victim issue. Personally, I'm sick of it, from her and all the divisive people. But Dawn is a representative of USC, not just a representative of the blacks at USC, not just a representative of her basketball players, but a representative of everybody that attends USC and every alumni, like myself. As far as name-calling by the media or anybody for that matter, if you have evidence and want to stir that pot, name the names, otherwise, stop with the unsubstantiated claims; do you think there wasn't any name-calling of the basically all-white Iowa team by blacks, I heard a lot of it on social media and I assure you the national media had a few "white cracker" and "redneck" comments, or worse, and I hope they did, I would laugh at it. It's unbelievable how easily people get their feelings hurt, so thin-skinned. It's time for Dawn to stop dividing the fans and stirring the pot, the BYU issues you wrongly took offense to (and never apologized for) should not have happened and there are many other instances where you have chosen to be a social justice warrior and made divisive statements. If you want to be a divider and a social justice warrior, quit coaching and go protest in the streets, go run for office, whatever, but please stop with the nonsense, you are embarrassing many alumni and students, black and white.
I love Dawn but we were outplayed and outcoached. Boston needed to get the ball much more but I guess they were collapsing on her. It drove me crazy to see all of the layups they got - way too many. I`m not complaining even though I sound like it. Great season just hurting for our team. We will be back for sure. Hopefully we won`t have to play the female Steph Curry anymore. I doubt if anyone could have done a whole lot. I hope they beat LSU.
Nobody called any of our players monkeys.
Funny how folks who barely follow womens basketball outside of our team, seem to know what those who cover womens basketball across the country have said. For those of us who follow the womens basketball media other than South Carolina, Dawn's comments were not knew and not the first time we heard this description of our team. The monkeys comments came out prior to January and were debated across many women's basketball spaces on twitter, podcasts etc. Dawn even mentioned it on her call in show two months ago while we were undefeated. The inmates comment came out prior to conference season. This is not just a response to the loss, but for us here at the final four, she was referring to a conversation at a social during the wbca convention of sports writers that was in turn brought back to her by some of the media that objected to that type of depiction of the team just because they were big, athletice squad that prides itself on defense. The girls have heard the comments also and have mentioned them in earlier postgame press conferences after games this year. If you only follow the team after a soundbite, then you would have the assumptions that all of this is a reaction to the game. The big reason it came out is because she loves her girls and the way they were officiated seemed to reflect that because they are such they should be watched carefully, and if they are receivinng rough treatment, it is okay. Caitlyn Clark is the best and Dawn recognizes that, and there are things we could have done better and easily won the game like not shoot 4-20 from three, or miss 4 free throws and lose by 4pts, but her comments went way beyond being mad about the loss. If you "really" follow womens bball, then you would see the number of national media that echoed and supported her stance about the names and depiction of her team and also coaches white and black that we have played who also advocated what she said as the truth. A number of these coaches played us this year. So before you dismiss this account just because you do not like her forthrightness, do your research.
Detroit Bad Boys loved their moniker...and embraced it.
I would love to play Iowa again next year. I heard one commentator say that we would beat them 9 out of 10 times. Even Clark herself said "I bet they wish this was a 7 game series." We just did not make the adjustments that we needed to after halftime and it cost us the win. I am certain we would have a different game plan in a rematch.
Dawn Staley looked shell-shocked in last nights game. She had no coaching response to what Iowa was doing last night. She was badly out coached. She can attract excellent talent but can't coach herself out of a paper bag. Lisa Bluder's comment about being in a bar fight was an analogy, a metaphor if you will---thugs and monkeys were not mentioned! Dawn Staley is a racist pig. Jussie Staley/ Dawn Smollett either one is the perfect nickname for her.
"The monkeys comments came out prior to January and were debated across many women's basketball spaces on twitter, podcasts etc. Dawn even mentioned it on her call in show two months ago while we were undefeated." Sharris
Although I can not argue that this comment was not discussed, my counter-argument is simple. "Show me the Post". Show me who posted such a comment that is still part of the national sports media. Until then, such a claim has as much merit as blaming a certain red head with the known outcome of a certain blond person down south near the coast. Just lots of rumors on social media but no real evidence to support such a claim. But as with all rumors, people start repeating opinions as facts. Plus...How hard can it be? Show me the post and its author. And please skip the "Well, someone said they overheard someone say..." nonsense. Either put names and their quotes to the story or stop bringing it up as if it were factual.
Although I can not argue that this comment was not discussed, my counter-argument is simple. "Show me the Post". Show me who posted such a comment that is still part of the national sports media. Until then, such a claim has as much merit as blaming a certain red head with the known outcome of a certain blond person down south near the coast. Just lots of rumors on social media but no real evidence to support such a claim. But as with all rumors, people start repeating opinions as facts. Plus...How hard can it be? Show me the post and its author. And please skip the "Well, someone said they overheard someone say..." nonsense. Either put names and their quotes to the story or stop bringing it up as if it were factual.
As mentioned by others, this follows the BYU story at start of season. No proof.....
If someone in the media or social media called a bunch of black basketball players monkeys, it would be an enormously MAJOR story. Recall when that guy called that one team nappy headed hoes? This would that x10,000.
Those who say they follow and know all, or Dawn herself, need to name them and show proof and take real action or drop the vague inferences!
I was considering your opinion until you started with the name calling. That reduced your argument to not worth considering. Adults should be able to discuss varying opinions without resorting to name calling.
Probably not the most apropos phrase to use…..especially after your initial warning.
And lots of celebration when you lose. ESPN has been unbearable since Friday night.
and still has yet to apologize to the BYU students or university
Out of curiosity, I searched on "monkey" and "monkeys", and found no such conversation on this board.
One would think of there was such a huge story this past January, someone here would have mentioned it.
I'd also point out that Dawn making the claim a couple months ago isn't really corroboration for Dawn making the claim again now.
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Do your own research. It has been on twitter, etc... Some of this have been discussed in podcast. If you claim, you did not find anything on Monkeys, did you not find anything on thugs, inmate comments or barfight. Dont be selective
with your research. This has been a narrative that have been discussed even by our local media and questioned during media sessions. It is not her job to name them either, becasue you do not ask these same media folks to name their sources. Question for all of you that seem to think you know soooo much about womens basketball. If these comments were so inflammatory and not true, then why have not the media that covers womens basketball, "The next", wwb hoops, David Seigel, M.A Voepel, Alex Phillapou, etc.... lashed back out to her as being a liar because we know when they have the pen and the truth, they light coaches up. None of that has happened, and many NCAA coaches (white and Black) and some media who have put their name to thier comment article have supported her statement. I will wait for your informed explanation.
I have been to the women's final four for the past two decades, and it also host the wbca convention, so I am telling you what I know not what i am reacting to from just commenting on one interview or soundbite. The reason this is not getting rebuttal from the collective women's media is because they know of the truth and would rather not have to explain or defend the indefensible. Let me give you an example, that does not include South Carolina. A big deal was made of some of the antics that the South Florida shooters did in our earlier game during the tournament. There was also a lot of adjectives like brash talker, confidence and flare to describe Caitlyn Clark if you watch the ends of her games. Unlike "Angel Reese", she was never called "ghetto" If you want to go there I will, but Dawn knows exactly what she was saying, and as one that won a lawsuit for someone making false allegations, she was not fabricating what has been said about her team and what happened at that social down here in Dallas.
"Do your own research" generally translates to "I can't find any link, so I'll try to deflect".
The barfight comments were already mentioned in this thread, as were the bully comments. I said then, and I still believe those are comments about physical play, and there was no reason to try and make them about race.
I'm not sure you put much thought into this "informed" line of reasoning. To contradict her, and since she named no names, the media would have to argue a person didn't say something, without even knowing who that person is. Do you understand how that's an impossible task?
Throw in the massive amount of media that supported her, rather than calling out her BYU stance, and I question how many people are willing to question a black woman (or just her in particular) relating to race issues.
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Exactly, why continue to drag this on in the shadows without naming names? Make your case and move it forward. Or is it just something she wants to linger forever in the background?
Pretty sure this "new member" is a troll/racist.....
I vote it's the "linger" option. Makes for a great rallying cry/victim card any time you need to pull it out. And it requires zero proof, and has no expiration date.
As for the actual "monkeys" comment, it seems pretty obvious there is no link, as it was not made publicly, if it was made at all. For all the "informed" talk, the only verifiable comments were some lame convict joke and "thug" talk by FANS on Twitter, not the national media. They used non racial terms like "bar fight" and "not real basketball".
Someone asked about our physical brand of play, and Dawn made a fumbling attempt to turn it into a race comment. End of story.
Nothing has been presented to demonstrate otherwise!
Jordan got hammered to the floor every time he went up for a shot. When they lost their playoff series to the Pistons 4-3, he called his trainer immediately, and told him he would see him the next day in the weight room. Jordan implored every Bulls player to do the same. They decided then and there that they had had enough, and the following year, they were going to dish out some punishment of their own. Jordan packed on about 25 lbs of muscle before the next season. That’s when the running of the Bulls began.