Depth Chart - unofficial per BWI

[blion72]

looking at the depth chart for OL

RT - Caedan Wallace and backup is Ibrahim Traore who is a 3rd year player. at the other OT spot Jimmy Christ is shown as the backup

LG - Landon Tengwall and backup JB Nelson

when Landon Tengwall came out the moved Hunter Nourzad in, so looks like 3 way OG rotation.

when Caedan Wallace went out they put in Effner, who doesn't even show on the depth chart. Was Traore at the game?

 

[s1uggo72]

looking at the depth chart for OL

RT - Caedan Wallace and backup is Ibrahim Traore who is a 3rd year player. at the other OT spot Jimmy Christ is shown as the backup

LG - Landon Tengwall and backup JB Nelson

when Landon Tengwall came out the moved Hunter Nourzad in, so looks like 3 way OG rotation.

when Caedan Wallace went out they put in Effner, who doesn't even show on the depth chart. Was Traore at the game?

Effner should be the starter this week

 

[LB99]

looking at the depth chart for OL

RT - Caedan Wallace and backup is Ibrahim Traore who is a 3rd year player. at the other OT spot Jimmy Christ is shown as the backup

LG - Landon Tengwall and backup JB Nelson

when Landon Tengwall came out the moved Hunter Nourzad in, so looks like 3 way OG rotation.

when Caedan Wallace went out they put in Effner, who doesn't even show on the depth chart. Was Traore at the game?

It’s all coach speak. Take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[Iionscott]

looking at the depth chart for OL

RT - Caedan Wallace and backup is Ibrahim Traore who is a 3rd year player. at the other OT spot Jimmy Christ is shown as the backup

LG - Landon Tengwall and backup JB Nelson

when Landon Tengwall came out the moved Hunter Nourzad in, so looks like 3 way OG rotation.

when Caedan Wallace went out they put in Effner, who doesn't even show on the depth chart. Was Traore at the game?

Trader did not even make trip so he is not very close to being a backup. Nelson did not make trip either

 

[J.E.B]

It’s a three man rotation at guard (Wormley, Tengwall, and Nourzad) and at tackle Fashnu has LT locked down with Wallace and Effner rotating at RT. Scruggs is the C but hope to see Dawkins, too. Not sure yet on the 4th G and T.

 

[LB99]

It’s a three man rotation at guard (Wormley, Tengwall, and Nourzad) and at tackle Fashnu has LT locked down with Wallace and Effner rotating at RT. Scruggs is the C but hope to see Dawkins, too. Not sure yet on the 4th G and T.

I can’t help but wonder if all the rotating the last few years has also hindered the OL development? I would just like to see them pick the best 5 guys and go with it. Wallace has given them enough to see at RT. Effner should be the starter there. Wallace doesn’t appear to have the tools to be a T. Move him to G and/or backup RT.

 

[Bones80]

I can’t help but wonder if all the rotating the last few years has also hindered the OL development? I would just like to see them pick the best 5 guys and go with it. Wallace has given them enough to see at RT. Effner should be the starter there. Wallace doesn’t appear to have the tools to be a T. Move him to G and/or backup RT.

Understand, but then one of them goes down and you're playing a guy with no experience. Additionally, the DL is running fresh bodies out there every other play. Do we expect OL to be fresh the entire game with no subs? These guys are not known for their endurance. I also think in this day of portaling, you sit a guy who is capable of subbing in and you lose him to another team. I think this is what led CJF to say he plans on playing a lot more players this year. Use them while you have them.

 

[blion72]

I can’t help but wonder if all the rotating the last few years has also hindered the OL development? I would just like to see them pick the best 5 guys and go with it. Wallace has given them enough to see at RT. Effner should be the starter there. Wallace doesn’t appear to have the tools to be a T. Move him to G and/or backup RT.

I thought that Effner actually played RT last year in a few games but did not handle it well but maybe better than Wallace on pass blocking. in a best 5, Tengwall is probably better at RT than anyone else, and maybe Wallace is actually a guard. Probably too late for that type of play - would have needed to do that in spring.

some of the OL who look like they are not going to play and in 3rd year = Traore and GIA maybe could help where we have a major size problem at 1-T DT. only have PJ there and then a bunch of 3-T bodies backing him up. Purdue was able to get some push and running lanes on us, and they are a passing team.

 

[BobPSU92]

looking at the depth chart for OL

RT - Caedan Wallace and backup is Ibrahim Traore who is a 3rd year player. at the other OT spot Jimmy Christ is shown as the backup

LG - Landon Tengwall and backup JB Nelson

when Landon Tengwall came out the moved Hunter Nourzad in, so looks like 3 way OG rotation.

when Caedan Wallace went out they put in Effner, who doesn't even show on the depth chart. Was Traore at the game?

Christ has something to prove to the non-believers.

 

[Electric Lion]

I thought that Effner actually played RT last year in a few games but did not handle it well but maybe better than Wallace on pass blocking. in a best 5, Tengwall is probably better at RT than anyone else, and maybe Wallace is actually a guard. Probably too late for that type of play - would have needed to do that in spring.

some of the OL who look like they are not going to play and in 3rd year = Traore and GIA maybe could help where we have a major size problem at 1-T DT. only have PJ there and then a bunch of 3-T bodies backing him up. Purdue was able to get some push and running lanes on us, and they are a passing team.

Effner's pass blocking was really very good. He kept his feet and wasn't pushed back much. More importantly, he didn't let anyone go around him. If it were me I would give him the start this week, see if he can get even better against a lesser team, and give him some confidence heading into Auburn. The way the starter at RT played, that would not give me a lot of comfort against Auburn.

 

[LB99]

Understand, but then one of them goes down and you're playing a guy with no experience. Additionally, the DL is running fresh bodies out there every other play. Do we expect OL to be fresh the entire game with no subs? These guys are not known for their endurance. I also think in this day of portaling, you sit a guy who is capable of subbing in and you lose him to another team. I think this is what led CJF to say he plans on playing a lot more players this year. Use them while you have them.

Well, maybe so, but back when PSU had respectable OL results, the top 5 guys were starters and they played the entire game unless they were underperforming or hurt. Are the top teams rotating OL players? Honest question because I have no idea? You hear all the time about it taking time for an offensive line to “gel”. How are you supposed to gel when it is a rotation at certain positions and you aren’t completely certain of the tendencies of the guy lining up next to you from series to series? Quite frankly , I don’t care about kids getting their feelings hurt and portaling. It’s big boy football and there’s a lot at stake for the team, coaches, school, etc. There’s a ton of money involved and now with NIL, it’s a job. Worrying that someone is going to get their feelings hurt isn’t going to help the team in it’s entirety. If that kid is convinced he is good enough to sub in then he is probably convinced he can start too. Which means he is hitting the portal regardless. Hit the portal for his replacement and call it even.

 

[LB99]

I thought that Effner actually played RT last year in a few games but did not handle it well but maybe better than Wallace on pass blocking. in a best 5, Tengwall is probably better at RT than anyone else, and maybe Wallace is actually a guard. Probably too late for that type of play - would have needed to do that in spring.

some of the OL who look like they are not going to play and in 3rd year = Traore and GIA maybe could help where we have a major size problem at 1-T DT. only have PJ there and then a bunch of 3-T bodies backing him up. Purdue was able to get some push and running lanes on us, and they are a passing team.

This is actually the root of my frustration. If, as you say, Tengwell is more suited at RT, then why is he at LG when you have someone else rotating with him. That doesn’t make any sense and it seems like Franklin and Co are overthinking it again. Just play the best 5 guys at their positions and let them develop. PSU isn’t under sanctions. We don’t have DTs playing OL. There is no need for this constant shuffling.

 

[s1uggo72]

Well, maybe so, but back when PSU had respectable OL results, the top 5 guys were starters and they played the entire game unless they were underperforming or hurt. Are the top teams rotating OL players? Honest question because I have no idea? You hear all the time about it taking time for an offensive line to “gel”. How are you supposed to gel when it is a rotation at certain positions and you aren’t completely certain of the tendencies of the guy lining up next to you from series to series? Quite frankly , I don’t care about kids getting their feelings hurt and portaling. It’s big boy football and there’s a lot at stake for the team, coaches, school, etc. There’s a ton of money involved and now with NIL, it’s a job. Worrying that someone is going to get their feelings hurt isn’t going to help the team in it’s entirety. If that kid is convinced he is good enough to sub in then he is probably convinced he can start too. Which means he is hitting the portal regardless. Hit the portal for his replacement and call it even.

First off the top 5 guys at PSU didn’t play the whole game many times, they rotated They had top lines many times in the 80,s and rotated them in a lot. Watch some old tape on you tube
You have to 3 to play 2 or 2 for 1 ( g/t, c)
If they can play you have to rotate them

 

[s1uggo72]

This is actually the root of my frustration. If, as you say, Tengwell is more suited at RT, then why is he at LG when you have someone else rotating with him. That doesn’t make any sense and it seems like Franklin and Co are overthinking it again. Just play the best 5 guys at their positions and let them develop. PSU isn’t under sanctions. We don’t have DTs playing OL. There is no need for this constant shuffling.

He may be suited for RT but he may be better suited for LG. We don’t know we aren’t at practice
That said I think Effner played better at RT then Wallace

 

[LB99]

He may be suited for RT but he may be better suited for LG. We don’t know we aren’t at practice
That said I think Effner played better at RT then Wallace

Effner payed much better at RT. RT has been a liability since the beginning of last season. Actually, it was a liability for the last few seasons. I was responding to someone saying he is a RT.

 

[LB99]

First off the top 5 guys at PSU didn’t play the whole game many times, they rotated They had top lines many times in the 80,s and rotated them in a lot. Watch some old tape on you tube
You have to 3 to play 2 or 2 for 1 ( g/t, c)
If they can play you have to rotate them

I don’t remember constant rotations of OL players in the 80’s and 90’s. Maybe they did it and I didn’t pay as close attention to the OL as I do now because the OL is a major issue now. I have a bunch of games DVR’d. I will pay more attention when I watch them now. Is this a common occurrence at Bama, UGA, OSU, or Clemson? Again, I end up watching more of their skill players so don’t notice it happening?

 

[Bones80]

Well, maybe so, but back when PSU had respectable OL results, the top 5 guys were starters and they played the entire game unless they were underperforming or hurt. Are the top teams rotating OL players? Honest question because I have no idea? You hear all the time about it taking time for an offensive line to “gel”. How are you supposed to gel when it is a rotation at certain positions and you aren’t completely certain of the tendencies of the guy lining up next to you from series to series? Quite frankly , I don’t care about kids getting their feelings hurt and portaling. It’s big boy football and there’s a lot at stake for the team, coaches, school, etc. There’s a ton of money involved and now with NIL, it’s a job. Worrying that someone is going to get their feelings hurt isn’t going to help the team in it’s entirety. If that kid is convinced he is good enough to sub in then he is probably convinced he can start too. Which means he is hitting the portal regardless. Hit the portal for his replacement and call it even.

It’s not like they are substituting wholesale. They are playing 7 guys for 5 positions. Most teams play 6-7 guys. Some more, some less. I think the set up offensively impacts the run game more than substituting a guy here and there. Most really good running teams have the QB under center and not standing alongside the rb.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Well, maybe so, but back when PSU had respectable OL results, the top 5 guys were starters and they played the entire game unless they were underperforming or hurt. Are the top teams rotating OL players? Honest question because I have no idea? You hear all the time about it taking time for an offensive line to “gel”. How are you supposed to gel when it is a rotation at certain positions and you aren’t completely certain of the tendencies of the guy lining up next to you from series to series? Quite frankly , I don’t care about kids getting their feelings hurt and portaling. It’s big boy football and there’s a lot at stake for the team, coaches, school, etc. There’s a ton of money involved and now with NIL, it’s a job. Worrying that someone is going to get their feelings hurt isn’t going to help the team in it’s entirety. If that kid is convinced he is good enough to sub in then he is probably convinced he can start too. Which means he is hitting the portal regardless. Hit the portal for his replacement and call it even.

Spot on. OL play is predicated on cohesion. Pick the best 5 guys and let them get used to playing together.

 

[Bvillebaron]

It’s not like they are substituting wholesale. They are playing 7 guys for 5 positions. Most teams play 6-7 guys. Some more, some less. I think the set up offensively impacts the run game more than substituting a guy here and there. Most really good running teams have the QB under center and not standing alongside the rb.

Very few teams play with the QB under center and that includes teams that run the ball like OSU.

 

[marshall23]

Christ has something to prove to the non-believers.

This place is crawling with agnostics.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

It’s not like they are substituting wholesale. They are playing 7 guys for 5 positions. Most teams play 6-7 guys. Some more, some less. I think the set up offensively impacts the run game more than substituting a guy here and there. Most really good running teams have the QB under center and not standing alongside the rb.

 

[LB99]

Very few teams play with the QB under center and that includes teams that run the ball like OSU.

Correct. I also watched Oklahoma over the last several years and it appeared they ran a very similar offense to PSU and the run game and OL play was pretty strong.

 

[Bones80]

Correct. I also watched Oklahoma over the last several years and it appeared they ran a very similar offense to PSU and the run game and OL play was pretty strong.

Oklahoma plays in the no defense league. They didn’t run very well in the CFP. In the BIG, think Wisconsin and Michigan. OSU has been criticized lately for not being able to run the ball. Saturday was the first time in a long time, they relied on running the ball. Helps to have a 5 star running back as well. I expect ours to improve our running game.

 

[GregInPitt]

Oklahoma plays in the no defense league. They didn’t run very well in the CFP. In the BIG, think Wisconsin and Michigan. OSU has been criticized lately for not being able to run the ball. Saturday was the first time in a long time, they relied on running the ball. Helps to have a 5 star running back as well. I expect ours to improve our running game.

So far it hasn't helped PSU's running game......

 

[Bones80]

So far it hasn't helped PSU's running game......

Limited data points so far. Hopefully he gets some Carrie’s this week

 

[LB99]

Oklahoma plays in the no defense league. They didn’t run very well in the CFP. In the BIG, think Wisconsin and Michigan. OSU has been criticized lately for not being able to run the ball. Saturday was the first time in a long time, they relied on running the ball. Helps to have a 5 star running back as well. I expect ours to improve our running game.

How many CFP games have Wisconsin and Michigan won with that running game?

 

[LB99]

Oklahoma plays in the no defense league. They didn’t run very well in the CFP. In the BIG, think Wisconsin and Michigan. OSU has been criticized lately for not being able to run the ball. Saturday was the first time in a long time, they relied on running the ball. Helps to have a 5 star running back as well. I expect ours to improve our running game.

OSU had 1 season that the running game wasn’t quite to their normal. However, prior to that, their offensive set with Justin Fields and Dobbins was shotgun with RB next to him. Same for years with a very highly successful run game.

 

[Bones80]

How many CFP games have Wisconsin and Michigan won with that running game?

Never said their teams were great. Just that they are successful at running the ball. Problem with a run first team is when the other team gets ahead by a few points, it’s tough to catch up. Look at most years under Joe. Much better running game than passing game (with a couple of exceptions). I remember people complaining that all we did was run up the gut. I’m just saying that offensive scheme impacts running success. CJF focuses on a splash passing game. I believe that limits the ability to consistently have a good running game.

 

[LB99]

Never said their teams were great. Just that they are successful at running the ball. Problem with a run first team is when the other team gets ahead by a few points, it’s tough to catch up. Look at most years under Joe. Much better running game than passing game (with a couple of exceptions). I remember people complaining that all we did was run up the gut. I’m just saying that offensive scheme impacts running success. CJF focuses on a splash passing game. I believe that limits the ability to consistently have a good running game.

I get what you are saying, but you referenced Oklahoma and their run game in the CFP, so my counterpoint was Wisconsin and Michigan run game in CFP.

 

[Bones80]

OSU had 1 season that the running game wasn’t quite to their normal. However, prior to that, their offensive set with Justin Fields and Dobbins was shotgun with RB next to him. Same for years with a very highly successful run game.

OSU has been a pass focused offense for the last 5-8 years. Being extremely successful at passing can open up opportunities to run successfully if you’ve got superior talent all over the field. Sadly the bucknuts have out recruited Penn State regularly over the same time frame.

 

[Bones80]

I get what you are saying, but you referenced Oklahoma and their run game in the CFP, so my counterpoint was Wisconsin and Michigan run game in CFP.

That was in response to comment that Oklahoma had success running from shotgun. My point was that the league they play in is not known for defense. Once they got to the CFP and played teams who had a defense, they were not very successful at running the ball.

 

[LB99]

OSU has been a pass focused offense for the last 5-8 years. Being extremely successful at passing can open up opportunities to run successfully if you’ve got superior talent all over the field. Sadly the bucknuts have out recruited Penn State regularly over the same time frame.

But your original point was that the OSU run game wasn’t as effective recently because of where they line up the RB next to the QB, no? That was the intent of the previous comments on my end. Oklahoma (and OSU) run similar offenses as PSU and both have a much more effective run game than PSU.

 

[LB99]

That was in response to comment that Oklahoma had success running from shotgun. My point was that the league they play in is not known for defense. Once they got to the CFP and played teams who had a defense, they were not very successful at running the ball.

OSU has a lot of shiny trophies while running from the shotgun. I don’t think you need a fullback and 2 TE sets to have an effective run game. I think you need a competent OL and good play calling at opportune times.

 

[Bones80]

But your original point was that the OSU run game wasn’t as effective recently because of where they line up the RB next to the QB, no? That was the intent of the previous comments on my end. Oklahoma (and OSU) run similar offenses as PSU and both have a much more effective run game than PSU.

We seem to be talking past each other. PSU is not as effective running the ball as some other programs who run from a similar scheme. There are several reasons for this (bad line play, Clifford holding the ball too long before handing it off, running backs jittering in the backfield instead of blasting through the hole). But my point is, the scheme of having a rb standing next to the qb is not as run effective as one with the rb lined up behind the qb who is under center. I believe that’s one reason many NFL teams have the qb under center frequently.

 

[blion72]

OSU had 1 season that the running game wasn’t quite to their normal. However, prior to that, their offensive set with Justin Fields and Dobbins was shotgun with RB next to him. Same for years with a very highly successful run game.

I think the alignment with tOSU also used the QB as an effective run threat. So you have Fields as a run threat along with 5^ Dobbins. If the QB is not a run threat, and holds the ball run game is handicapped. Sean Clifford may be running less this year. Announcers in Purdue game were talking about Penn State not having an I alignment. would hurt the run game.

 

[LB99]

I think the alignment with tOSU also used the QB as an effective run threat. So you have Fields as a run threat along with 5^ Dobbins. If the QB is not a run threat, and holds the ball run game is handicapped. Sean Clifford may be running less this year. Announcers in Purdue game were talking about Penn State not having an I alignment. would hurt the run game.

Agree. Clifford needs to run to make the offense more effective. That’s why Trace was perfect for the offense at the time. Allar should have ran for the first in his series, but he will learn when to and not to run.