Disappointed that Aaron Brooks lost, but I think he wins in Detroit

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Amine is always a tough out. He can grind. I was surprised that AB didn't seem very committed to riding Amine. he 0:27 going into the third and only rode for 6 seconds.
 

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I suspect that if Aaron had won yesterday, Amine might have had an excellent chance of beating him at Nationals. Consistently beating an opponent, even narrowly, isn't likely to bring out the best in a competitor. However, losing a tight match recently provides a challenge that Brooks is likely to accept. I expect him to beat Amine in two weeks.
 
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He could drop to #3 after that loss. Which could mean Amine or Hidley in the semis and then the other in the final. That would be a really a high hill to climb.
 

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I would go with Carter and Dean just based on their weight classes. Carter will most likely get Hidley or Lewis who have losses to each other. No idea who Dean will get, but no one undefeated. RBY has an undefeated Fix looking for revenge. No sure bets !
 

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Think of a really good wrestler. Now think of a really good PSU wrestler. I'm not talking Jason Nolf or Bo Nickal but like a Morgan Macintosh or Matt Brown. For the most part I wouldn't 'worry' whoever they had to wrestle or when they were going to meet them, you still have to beat the guy front of you. Aaron is every bit as good as any of those guys and I'm confident in him showing up and ready to wrestle! I like our guys and I like our chances in 12 days.
 
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Of course, and maybe not a reflection on our guys but more a reflection of their competition.
 

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Did anyone else think he seemed tired in the third? It seemed like he came out a little fast. If that's the case, he'll definitely manage the next match better.
Yes, the takedowns late in the third and SV seemed to be more AB being tired as opposed to some tactic to change tactics (left leg vs right).
 

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He could drop to #3 after that loss. Which could mean Amine or Hidley in the semis and then the other in the final. That would be a really a high hill to climb.
Both Hidlay and Keckeisen have looked good all season and both looked great in their respective conference finals. I think all four are very close to each other, much closer than many think. It will be interesting how the four of them will be seeded.
 

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I bet Aaron is such a competitor that he ups his games and wins at nationals!
I’ve been a regular in Rec Hall since the late 60’s. Season tic holder since early 90’s. I’ve seen the panoply of PSU stars and Aaron is right up there. Not the electricity of DT, Bo, or Nolf. Not an invincible power like Zain. What Aaron has is incredible positioning and a smooth patience. Hell yeah … he will learn from Sundays loss and come back even better. By the time he is finished he will be compared to Ruth, Taylor, Bo, and Nolf.
 

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Yes, the takedowns late in the third and SV seemed to be more AB being tired as opposed to some tactic to change tactics (left leg vs right).
A couple things about that match I noticed. Aaron was pushing the pace for most of the match, which would account for his being tired in the third. I believe Amine had a strategy of locking fingers to slow down the pace. Here is what the Rulebook says about interlocking fingers: Interlocking fingers shall be penalized when it occurs beyond a reasonable time as determined by the referee. Interlocking fingers with the opponent in the neutral position is a stalemate for the first offense. Subsequent offenses of interlocking fingers in the neutral position shall be called stalling. I think the official should have awarded a penalty point to whomever he felt was interlocking fingers the most. This would have cleaned up the match and opened things up a bit. Amine may have been playing possum about how tired he was in the match. Amine deserved the stall call he received and could have been hit once more. The stalling call against Aaron was horrible. It was that lazy "situational" stall call some officials just throw out there late in the third period. Even though Aaron was very tired at the time he was called for stalling, it seemed to mess with him mentally also. Aaron's escape to take it to overtime took it all out of him. I did not have a good feeling that Aaron would pull it out in SV. Amine absolutely deserved the win, and wrestled a smart strategic match. They are very close in talent, but I favor Aaron in a rematch.
 

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good stuff here. I agree that Amine was well prepared versus Aaron and in my opinion he did appear beat by the end of two. Great mental jousting if that's what it really was. I saw elsewhere in the last day or so, comments about the 'Kevin Jackson' effect. The first meeting between PSU and MI, I thought, what does this guy Jackson bring to the table? Not much. The MI guys were in my opinion, out coached and got out wrestled, no fire, out of shape, boring. However, during the Big 10 tournament they were a different group of guys.
We are all looking forward to the NCAA's because our coaches will be reviewing film, tweaking the miscues and holes in the guys' games and coaching to peak on just the right weekend. And I DO believe PSU is going to win it all. But I am also beginning to wonder if the KJ effect might be happening at the same time.
 

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Agreed. I thought AB was the least likely of any of our number 1 seeds to lose. I’ve been telling everyone who’d listen that he’s going to win an Olympic gold medal someday.
Yep, in order of level of confidence in winning B1G - 1st place, 1. Gable Steveson, 2. Aaron Brooks, etc.
 
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good stuff here. I agree that Amine was well prepared versus Aaron and in my opinion he did appear beat by the end of two. Great mental jousting if that's what it really was. I saw elsewhere in the last day or so, comments about the 'Kevin Jackson' effect. The first meeting between PSU and MI, I thought, what does this guy Jackson bring to the table? Not much. The MI guys were in my opinion, out coached and got out wrestled, no fire, out of shape, boring. However, during the Big 10 tournament they were a different group of guys.
We are all looking forward to the NCAA's because our coaches will be reviewing film, tweaking the miscues and holes in the guys' games and coaching to peak on just the right weekend. And I DO believe PSU is going to win it all. But I am also beginning to wonder if the KJ effect might be happening at the same time.
Addendum: Just don’t let KJ set the alarm clock for weigh ins and UofM should be fine.
 
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Obviously, Aaron was disappointed when he lost, but he looked Amine in the eye and shook his hand like a man. I can't stand it when these guys give a half-hearted handshake while looking the other way. I think it says a lot about him.
Agreed. You can tell Amine respects Brooks as well. As an aside, I gained some respect for Austin DeSanto with the way he conducted himself Sunday at the end of another tough one with RBY.
 

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Did anyone else think he seemed tired in the third? It seemed like he came out a little fast. If that's the case, he'll definitely manage the next match better.
I think he was. There was a lot of effort being expended throughout the match. Amine is 25 and probably still in Olympic shape and may have been a little more ready for the pace of this one.
 

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good stuff here. I agree that Amine was well prepared versus Aaron and in my opinion he did appear beat by the end of two. Great mental jousting if that's what it really was. I saw elsewhere in the last day or so, comments about the 'Kevin Jackson' effect. The first meeting between PSU and MI, I thought, what does this guy Jackson bring to the table? Not much. The MI guys were in my opinion, out coached and got out wrestled, no fire, out of shape, boring. However, during the Big 10 tournament they were a different group of guys.
We are all looking forward to the NCAA's because our coaches will be reviewing film, tweaking the miscues and holes in the guys' games and coaching to peak on just the right weekend. And I DO believe PSU is going to win it all. But I am also beginning to wonder if the KJ effect might be happening at the same time.
No amount of KJ effect is gonna help all the holes in their lineup next year.
 
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I’ve been a regular in Rec Hall since the late 60’s. Season tic holder since early 90’s. I’ve seen the panoply of PSU stars and Aaron is right up there. Not the electricity of DT, Bo, or Nolf. Not an invincible power like Zain. What Aaron has is incredible positioning and a smooth patience. Hell yeah … he will learn from Sundays loss and come back even better. By the time he is finished he will be compared to Ruth, Taylor, Bo, and Nolf.
Agree that AB is every bit as good as our PSU greats but the PSU greats separated themselves from the competition so much that it kind of gets cloudy. AB has some really stout competition in his class even though he's the best - but Amine is really close.
 

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I believe Amine had a strategy of locking fingers to slow down the pace. Here is what the Rulebook says about interlocking fingers: Interlocking fingers shall be penalized when it occurs beyond a reasonable time as determined by the referee. Interlocking fingers with the opponent in the neutral position is a stalemate for the first offense. Subsequent offenses of interlocking fingers in the neutral position shall be called stalling. I think the official should have awarded a penalty point to whomever he felt was interlocking fingers the most. This would have cleaned up the match and opened things up a bit.

That's not how it works. The majority of the time the interlocking fingers aren't caused by wrestler A grabbing the fingers of his opponent. It's usually wrestler B trying to clear his wrist and wrestler A ending up having fingers when he responds (or clear the hand when on bottom), or wrestler A reaching out for a wrist, elbow, etc., and ending up with fingers. The ref verbally tells them to release the fingers, and some times that happens. More often, the release doesn't happen quickly enough (even if one wrestler is trying to get out of the situation), so that's when you stop the action and tell them to avoid interlocking fingers.

The stalling call against Aaron was horrible. It was that lazy "situational" stall call some officials just throw out there late in the third period.

Horrible??? That's not even close to being accurate. Amine looked exhausted after some of the stalemates called in the 3rd period. However, the stall call was made because Amine had taken 3 or 4 shots in the 3rd period, and AB did not shoot during that timeframe. When one wrestler shoots 3 times and the opponent does nothing, the refs are taught to start evaluating the situation for stalling. It's not a simple 3 shots to zero immediately warrants a stall call; you have to evaluate the entire situation. About 5 sec. before the stall call against AB, I said to my wife that AB better shoot or he'll get hit for stalling. Every ref has a different timeframe for calling stalling, but from this ref's perspective, that was a justified call against AB.
 

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That's not how it works. The majority of the time the interlocking fingers aren't caused by wrestler A grabbing the fingers of his opponent. It's usually wrestler B trying to clear his wrist and wrestler A ending up having fingers when he responds (or clear the hand when on bottom), or wrestler A reaching out for a wrist, elbow, etc., and ending up with fingers. The ref verbally tells them to release the fingers, and some times that happens. More often, the release doesn't happen quickly enough (even if one wrestler is trying to get out of the situation), so that's when you stop the action and tell them to avoid interlocking fingers.



Horrible??? That's not even close to being accurate. Amine looked exhausted after some of the stalemates called in the 3rd period. However, the stall call was made because Amine had taken 3 or 4 shots in the 3rd period, and AB did not shoot during that timeframe. When one wrestler shoots 3 times and the opponent does nothing, the refs are taught to start evaluating the situation for stalling. It's not a simple 3 shots to zero immediately warrants a stall call; you have to evaluate the entire situation. About 5 sec. before the stall call against AB, I said to my wife that AB better shoot or he'll get hit for stalling. Every ref has a different timeframe for calling stalling, but from this ref's perspective, that was a justified call against AB.
Tom, with your commitment to this board...You're married..?!?
 
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