Does Georgia have a culture problem?? Read and you decide

[Spurman54]

Kirby Smart, Georgia football program need to heed warning signs before it's too late

Off-the-field problems have brought down coaches and programs in college football for years. Kirby Smart needs to be careful or he could be next.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Backscrather]

Did the guy get arrested for killing that girl?

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Sooner or later something like this seems to flare up in a situation the coach cannot overcome such as Urban Meyer at Ohio State with his asst coach having abuse problems with his wife and Urban looking the other way.Cost him the Ohio State job.
There are certain lines that can't be crossed and sooner or later it will bite Kirby hard if he doesn't show he takes this stuff especially the rape stuff seriously..Ask Art Briles.

 

[Deleted11512]

Sooner or later something like this seems to flare up in a situation the coach cannot overcome such as Urban Meyer at Ohio State with his asst coach having abuse problems with his wife and Urban looking the other way.Cost him the Ohio State job.
There are certain lines that can't be crossed and sooner or later it will bite Kirby hard if he doesn't show he takes this stuff especially the rape stuff seriously..Ask Art Briles.

I agree. It was only after a guy played a role in the deaths of a teammate and staffer that we found out it's common practice at UGA for a coach to pay speeding tickets for players. Maybe that's happening all over, but you can see how this constant covering up is perpetuating an environment of ZERO accountability. This story is horrible. And if 1/2 of it is true, Kirbs is playing with fire.

 

[Prestonyte]

Georgia has always been this way. The recent traffic fatalities has shone a bright light on it and things formally under the rug have run into the light.
This is what happens when you win two NC titles!

 

[muscleknight]

As long as Kirby keeps winning it won't matter to the Dawgs.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I dunno. Every time a team is dominant, you start to hear rumors about a culture problem. You never hear about culture problems at programs that suck.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

As long as Kirby keeps winning it won't matter to the Dawgs.

At some point the firestorm gets so big you can't contain it.Nothing has come to light as of yet that would bring Kirby down,but especially if it was ever revealed that a culture of rape was condoned and or covered up as such as Baylor,I don't any coach could survive that.It would be so toxic that Kirby would likely resign.But,again nothing yet of that magnitude.

 

[Prestonyte]

I dunno. Every time a team is dominant, you start to hear rumors about a culture problem. You never hear about culture problems at programs that suck.

Are you saying that its not a problem we have? Just asking?

 

[MrCockStrong]

I'd like to have some of their culture problems. Their players were eating chicken wings on the sidelines of the National Championship game in the 3rd Quarter. Give me that culture problem every football season.

 

[athenscock3]

I live here. I rese.n’t the fact these players repeatedly endanger my family and friends with their reckless behavior. It really irrates me that this behavior is enabled and there is little to no accountability on the part of the player He walks away because an enabler comes behind him and takes care of his mess. The player learns he can go speeding again and learns nothing positive. The AJC enraged many die hards when they ran an investigative story last month detailing how bad the speeding problem had become for certain players. Will it bring Kirby down. Don’t think so.

 

[CockofEarle…]

Georgia has always been this way. The recent traffic fatalities has shone a bright light on it and things formally under the rug have run into the light.
This is what happens when you win two NC titles!

"I don't know. I sort of always liked playing them that second game because you could always count on them having two or three key players suspended." ~SOS

 

[athenscock3]

Another big article in today’s A J C. The rabid dawg fans are angry at the newspaper for scraping back the underbelly of what has gone on to protect U G A football players and keep them on the field so that can play.

 

[Surfcock]

UGA has a huge issue on its hands. I can’t get my head around 82 times the fixer was involved with the courts and a player.

I’m sorry but at any level of management when you have 82 incidents no matter how small…there is a major issue going on that should be addressed

I always enjoyed years ago under Richt , we knew 2 to 3 players would be sitting out our game. After this article makes you wonder what that number would be now days

 

[Prestonyte]

If the salesman keeps closing the big deal (National Championships) he will continue to be the salesman no matter what. If the salesman delivers what the higher ups want - all is well. Begin losing the big deal and things will change!

 

[Mic4usc]

Under Richt they routinely had guys arrested. I think the arrests have decreased but they still recruit the same kind of dudes.

 

[CockofEarle…]

Under Richt they routinely had guys arrested. I think the arrests have decreased but they still recruit the same kind of dudes.

Donnan & Goff.​

 

[RyanJordan]

Under Richt they routinely had guys arrested. I think the arrests have decreased but they still recruit the same kind of dudes.

South Carolina recruits those exact same dudes also, they just can’t get them over Georgia.

 

[8NPJ3]

Yes they do. Smart is as dirty as the come. Throw in that fat *** muschamp and it is even worse. They can try to bury it all that they want to. Eventually the chickens always come home to roost.

 

[will110]

I'd like to have some of their culture problems. Their players were eating chicken wings on the sidelines of the National Championship game in the 3rd Quarter. Give me that culture problem every football season.

If the only way to win championships is to have a program that enables (alleged) sexual abusers and dangerous behavior that ultimately leads to the death of a player and staff member, then no thanks. I don't want any part of that.

If I were UGA grad, I'd be ashamed of my alma mater.

 

[Horseshoe04]

80 cases in 7 years and they have their “ chummy legal ambassador “ present at all of them

 

[athenscock3]

This was a 20 year old female in contact with salacious texts with a 16-17 year old recruit staying at the hotel where the recruits were staying one floor down. When the 26-17 old returned to the hotel after a night out drinking in a downtown bar, he hooked up with her. Make one wonder if the enabler set up the liason. If so, shades of MPitino and Louisville. The enabler was available immediately to accompany the recruit and his parents to the police interview, where the investigating Sargent immediately stated “He loved the dawgs”. The ugly side of what some in college football have stooped to to win.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Are you saying that its not a problem we have? Just asking?

Just saying. You generally only hear about culture problems if a team is totally in the toilet or is winning titles. In the former case, the culture problems have more to do with training discipline, laziness, etc. In the latter case, the culture problems have more to do with players running rampant and breaking the law. It seems that most times you get a dominant team, you all-of-a-sudden hear fans start chirping about "culture problems" at said school.

 

[Prestonyte]

Just saying. You generally only hear about culture problems if a team is totally in the toilet or is winning titles. In the former case, the culture problems have more to do with training discipline, laziness, etc. In the latter case, the culture problems have more to do with players running rampant and breaking the law. It seems that most times you get a dominant team, you all-of-a-sudden hear fans start chirping about "culture problems" at said school.

My tongue in cheek question (you couldn't see my face as I was typing) was referring to our lack of championships and the accompanying lack of publicity regarding culture problems. But, in saying that, I do not think Beamer would tolerate a GA type culture regardless.

 

[18IsTheMan]

My tongue in cheek question (you couldn't see my face as I was typing) was referring to our lack of championships and the accompanying lack of publicity regarding culture problems. But, in saying that, I do not think Beamer would tolerate a GA type culture regardless.

I assume that was the tone of your post, but you never can really tell on here.

I'll add a disclaimer, that you never really heard much about culture problems at Bama under Saban.

 

[Big JC]

This was a 20 year old female in contact with salacious texts with a 16-17 year old recruit staying at the hotel where the recruits were staying one floor down. When the 26-17 old returned to the hotel after a night out drinking in a downtown bar, he hooked up with her. Make one wonder if the enabler set up the liason. If so, shades of MPitino and Louisville. The enabler was available immediately to accompany the recruit and his parents to the police interview, where the investigating Sargent immediately stated “He loved the dawgs”. The ugly side of what some in college football have stooped to to win.

If you read the follow up articles on other sites and the actual police report you would know the "sexual assault" was totally consensual sex, even the girl admitted as much. Also, the AJC wrote the article in such a slanted way with major details left out as to make readers believe Kirby offered and signed a kid with a sexual assault arrest on his record. The kid was never arrested or charged with any crime. As to the "enabler", I'm sure he is some staff person whose job is to make sure kids don't say stupid stuff to police and to help settle disputes. Every program has those guys, it is part of college football. They usually have some title like "Director of player personnel" or "Player Support Coordinator".

The speeding issues really aren't surprising. Give a bunch of 18 yr old boys a couple hundred thousand dollars and the first thing they are going to do is go out and buy a car. Many of them are going to buy fast cars and they are going to drive them fast. The number of non athletes who get speeding tickets would boggle the mind, expecting athletes to be any different makes no sense. The difference is; newspapers don't report on every non athlete student getting a speeding ticket or DUI or getting in a fight.

I recall Garcia being arrested something like 5 times and still playing. No one thought SOS had lost control of the program. Every football team has the same problems with players and the law and have had those problems for as long as college football has been a big thing.

 

[Big JC]

I assume that was the tone of your post, but you never can really tell on here.

I'll add a disclaimer, that you never really heard much about culture problems at Bama under Saban.

I'm pretty sure Tuscaloosa is a more westerly version of Clemson when it comes to law enforcement.

 

[athenscock3]

If you read the follow up articles on other sites and the actual police report you would know the "sexual assault" was totally consensual sex, even the girl admitted as much. Also, the AJC wrote the article in such a slanted way with major details left out as to make readers believe Kirby offered and signed a kid with a sexual assault arrest on his record. The kid was never arrested or charged with any crime. As to the "enabler", I'm sure he is some staff person whose job is to make sure kids don't say stupid stuff to police and to help settle disputes. Every program has those guys, it is part of college football. They usually have some title like "Director of player personnel" or "Player Support Coordinator".

The speeding issues really aren't surprising. Give a bunch of 18 yr old boys a couple hundred thousand dollars and the first thing they are going to do is go out and buy a car. Many of them are going to buy fast cars and they are going to drive them fast. The number of non athletes who get speeding tickets would boggle the mind, expecting athletes to be any different makes no sense. The difference is; newspapers don't report on every non athlete student getting a speeding ticket or DUI or getting in a fight.

I recall Garcia being arrested something like 5 times and still playing. No one thought SOS had lost control of the program. Every football team has the same problems with players and the law and have had those problems for as long as college football has been a big thing.

Yeah. But who set up a kid from Greensboro ,N. C. with this 20 year old woman ? Was this the kids first trip to Athens? Yes Garcia was a problem but Georgia’sproblems are pervasive and involve kids endangering the public with their reckless behavior. By the way, USC, thank God, has not had staff and a player killed by street racing at over 100 mph after a night of drinking so your culture is a bit different.

 

[KingWard]

The latest to cross my email was the lead in this piece just this morning - https://saturdayfootball.activehost...4e9b52.105&s=732585cacbeb668f0bc2fe25cb3219d2 .

I don't see how that program can escape real damage from these reports. I usually disregard news about peripheral issues, but these are too serious and too incessant not to dent the program at least somewhat, and "somewhat" could be enough to knock them off their perch, if not now, then soon.

 

[Prestonyte]

The latest to cross my email was the lead in this piece just this morning - https://saturdayfootball.activehost...4e9b52.105&s=732585cacbeb668f0bc2fe25cb3219d2 .

I don't see how that program can escape real damage from these reports. I usually disregard news about peripheral issues, but these are too serious and too incessant not to dent the program at least somewhat, and "somewhat" could be enough to knock them off their perch, if not now, then soon.

Agree. Kirby can't just ignore this if he's Smart. If they can't beat him on the field they will find other ways to take him down. He needs to take off his coaching hat and put on the PR hat for this battle!

 

[Big JC]

Another speeding ticket today. 88 in a 55 for a freshman. Giving a bunch of kids enough money to buy fast cars is a recipe for speeding tickets. I look for Kirby to make an example of this kid.

 

[Backscrather]

South Carolina recruits those exact same dudes also, they just can’t get them over Georgia.

Must be a get out of jail free card over there.

 

[Backscrather]

I'm pretty sure Tuscaloosa is a more westerly version of Clemson when it comes to law enforcement.

She ain't lying.

 

[Big JC]

She ain't lying.

I'm pretty sure it's the same way at every top program. As long as the issues don't spread to sexual assaults covered up, physical abuse of women swept under the rug or blatant academic fraud, no one is going to lose a job.

 

[RyanJordan]

This was a 20 year old female in contact with salacious texts with a 16-17 year old recruit staying at the hotel where the recruits were staying one floor down. When the 26-17 old returned to the hotel after a night out drinking in a downtown bar, he hooked up with her. Make one wonder if the enabler set up the liason. If so, shades of MPitino and Louisville. The enabler was available immediately to accompany the recruit and his parents to the police interview, where the investigating Sargent immediately stated “He loved the dawgs”. The ugly side of what some in college football have stooped to to win.

Lol. Man, you should write TV shows.

 

[RyanJordan]

Yeah. But who set up a kid from Greensboro ,N. C. with this 20 year old woman ? Was this the kids first trip to Athens? Yes Garcia was a problem but Georgia’sproblems are pervasive and involve kids endangering the public with their reckless behavior. By the way, USC, thank God, has not had staff and a player killed by street racing at over 100 mph after a night of drinking so your culture is a bit different.

“Pervasive”? Lol

You need to read some more. The testimony clearly states that the woman saw him at a game and then contacted him via DM on Instagram. She also rented her own room at the hotel he stayed in for his official. She pursued it.