Doty back to QB?

[TexasGamecockFan]

Beamer tried to get another transfer scholarship QB, but we only got a preferred walk-on. To me right now Doty looks like at least our 2nd best QB. Doty is the highest ranked QB recruit on the roster, and higher ranked as a recruit than many of the transfer options that turned us down. Doty was a 4* with 4 SEC, 4 ACC, and 15 total major college offers at QB. As an SEC starter and back-up, Doty has a 60% completion percentage but only slightly more TD's than Interceptions.

I think if there is competition at QB it will be between Doty and Sellers? Reno might be ready next year, IMO. I think Doty runs a 4.8 40. If so, there is no real option in the NFL as a receiver. I feel with the current options the team needs Doty as a QB and is likely to be the a back-up and part-time receiver.

 

[Creek Snake]

Qb is a real concern for me.Though I’m extremely hopeful Sellars turns out to be the real deal, you never know and with his running style I fear he won’t make a full season without injury so having a competent backup is crucial.Maybe the transfer window after spring ball might bring an experienced viable option.

 

[Deleted11512]

Pretty sure they're still working on landing one. If we don't get one currently in the portal, there will be more hitting the portal after spring camp.

EDIT: Just saw a welcome home tweet from Beamer. A lot speculation that it's Robby Ashford. I'm good with that one. Dual threat guy with SEC experience to back up Sellers.

 

[Viennacock]

We need Dak back. He has to have at least one more year left in him.

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

We need Dak back. He has to have at least one more year left in him.

Moving DAK to RB seems so foolish in hindsight. He never looked like a RB to me - but was good as a QB and good as a receiver! What a waste of his senior season! Someone had to be fired for that debacle. They put all the effort into getting DIggs and didn't have enough RB depth when DIggs went elsewhere - eerily familiar to the current situation at QB.

 

[Creek Snake]

Pretty sure they're still working on landing one. If we don't get one currently in the portal, there will be more hitting the portal after spring camp.

EDIT: Just saw a welcome home tweet from Beamer. A lot speculation that it's Robby Ashford. I'm good with that one. Dual threat guy with SEC experience to back up Sellers.

That would be good

 

[Viennacock]

Moving DAK to RB seems so foolish in hindsight. He never looked like a RB to me - but was good as a QB and good as a receiver! What a waste of his senior season! Someone had to be fired for that debacle. They put all the effort into getting DIggs and didn't have enough RB depth when DIggs went elsewhere - eerily familiar to the current situation at QB.

The troubling part was that it took the coaches 3-4 games to determine that he wasn't our best back. Even if Mario didn't emerge, Dak should have been on the backend of the dept chart.

 

[Cluster Cock]

Beamer tried to get another transfer scholarship QB, but we only got a preferred walk-on. To me right now Doty looks like at least our 2nd best QB. Doty is the highest ranked QB recruit on the roster, and higher ranked as a recruit than many of the transfer options that turned us down. Doty was a 4* with 4 SEC, 4 ACC, and 15 total major college offers at QB. As an SEC starter and back-up, Doty has a 60% completion percentage but only slightly more TD's than Interceptions.

I think if there is competition at QB it will be between Doty and Sellers? Reno might be ready next year, IMO. I think Doty runs a 4.8 40. If so, there is no real option in the NFL as a receiver. I feel with the current options the team needs Doty as a QB and is likely to be the a back-up and part-time receiver.

According to Rivals, Luke runs a 4.5. Lanorris a 4.56

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

The troubling part was that it took the coaches 3-4 games to determine that he wasn't our best back. Even if Mario didn't emerge, Dak should have been on the backend of the dept chart.

I agree. In my fan group every single one of us thought Anderson was the guy after the first couple of carries and it took Hardesty way too many games to figure it out.

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

According to Rivals, Luke runs a 4.5. Lanorris a 4.56

I hope for their sake they are that fast but other sites don't have them that quick.

 

[Deleted11512]

Ueah

I hope for their sake they are that fast but other sites don't have them that quick.

Yeah, I don’t think Luke is a 4.5 guy. He has good straight line speed, but Lannoris is much more agile.

 

[18IsTheMan]

not worried about QB.

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

not worried about QB.

I do feel better after the Beville kid is signed as preferred walk-on from Oklahoma and Pitt. Beville could be similar to Zeb Nolan. I am sure he could come in and play at a high level and win games with 5 years of Power 5 football experience. But I think Doty is under appreciated as a QB and is either realistically 1 or 2 skill-wise. Gamecocks should be improved in 2024, with QB depth the main question mark.

 

[Deleted11512]

I do feel better after the Beville kid is signed as preferred walk-on from Oklahoma and Pitt. Beville could be similar to Zeb Nolan. I am sure he could come in and play at a high level and win games with 5 years of Power 5 football experience. But I think Doty is under appreciated as a QB and is either realistically 1 or 2 skill-wise. Gamecocks should be improved in 2024, with QB depth the main question mark.

I'll feel even better if we get Ashford. I think Doty's value to this team lies in the WR room. We have very little experience returning, and need options. We can't keep bouncing guys around like we have Luke and DK. I do agree that Luke would probably be a better backup option than Ashford or Beville. But I think you'd rather Luke just focus on developing at one position.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'll feel even better if we get Ashford. I think Doty's value to this team lies in the WR room. We have very little experience returning, and need options. We can't keep bouncing guys around like we have Luke and DK. I do agree that Luke would probably be a better backup option than Ashford or Beville. But I think you'd rather Luke just focus on developing at one position.

If Doty adds value as a WR, that's a damning indictment of our WR room.

He's obviously not SEC starting QB material, but I think he's a good game manager type option if Sellers were to go down.

Great guy and Gamecock and all that, but he's kinda Joyner 2.0.

 

[Deleted11512]

If Doty adds value as a WR, that's a damning indictment of our WR room.

He's obviously not SEC starting QB material, but I think he's a good game manager type option if Sellers were to go down.

Great guy and Gamecock and all that, but he's kinda Joyner 2.0.

It is what it is. We've got nothing returning. We're much better off trying to improve him as a WR incase the newcomers don't work out. At the very least, he's experienced.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It is what it is. We've got nothing returning. We're much better off trying to improve him as a WR incase the newcomers don't work out. At the very least, he's experienced.

we allegedly added some good WR in the portal.

 

[Deleted11512]

we allegedly added some good WR in the portal.

I think we did, but we need to be prepared if we didn't.

 

[92Pony]

If Doty adds value as a WR, that's a damning indictment of our WR room.

He's obviously not SEC starting QB material, but I think he's a good game manager type option if Sellers were to go down.

Great guy and Gamecock and all that, but he's kinda Joyner 2.0.

And looking back, I think we screwed both Joyner and him over. Hindsight is 20/20, but dang. For their best interest, both of those guys should have gone elsewhere early-on. I mean, I'm glad they didn't, as they've been great Gamecocks, and fantastic teammates! But, I get the feeling of what-could-have-been for them both. Hopefully they don't look at their time here and feel that way. I would understand if they did though.

 

[18IsTheMan]

And looking back, I think we screwed both Joyner and him over. Hindsight is 20/20, but dang. For their best interest, both of those guys should have gone elsewhere early-on. I mean, I'm glad they didn't, as they've been great Gamecocks, and fantastic teammates! But, I get the feeling of what-could-have-been for them both. Hopefully they don't look at their time here and feel that way. I would understand if they did though.

Only thing I can think is they'd rather ride it out on an SEC team than drop down to some lower G5 school. Or maybe they are just Gamecock fans and being on the team is a dream. Otherwise, I have to think if they felt they had a chance to play more or start at a decent school, they'd have taken it.

 

[Creek Snake]

not worried about QB.

So with a Qb who tries to run through people which increases his likelihood of injury,you’re not concerned with have to play the schedule in front of Carolina with a group of guys none of which have thus far shown the ability to play winning Sec football(I include Sellars here).apparently I’m missing something here.I wish I had your faith.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So with a Qb who tries to run through people which increases his likelihood of injury,you’re not concerned with have to play the schedule in front of Carolina with a group of guys none of which have thus far shown the ability to play winning Sec football(I include Sellars here).apparently I’m missing something here.I wish I had your faith.

Hard to follow what you're saying. I guess you're saying we should be concerned given Sellers dual-threat nature and likely increased injury risk?

That's always the risk with dual threat guys if they don't trust their arm or protection. They tend to get happy feet and take off running before they should. We'll have to see about Sellers. We have a handful of garbage snaps to judge him against, but he strikes me as a mature kid. He'll make mistakes. If he can trust his arm and trust our protection (which we have to hope will be at least somewhat improved), I think he'll be fine.

If he goes down, I think Doty can be a good game manager-type QB. I would not put the game on his arm.

 

[Deleted11512]

So with a Qb who tries to run through people which increases his likelihood of injury,you’re not concerned with have to play the schedule in front of Carolina with a group of guys none of which have thus far shown the ability to play winning Sec football(I include Sellars here).apparently I’m missing something here.I wish I had your faith.

I'm not "worried", per se. 99% of college football teams would be F'd if they lost QB1. I'd feel better if we had a player with experience behind him. Anyone expecting us to land a starting caliber QB in the portal is just waiting to be disappointed.

Ole Miss is in the same scenario. Dart takes a lot of hits. If he goes down, they have no experience behind...just a freshman and RS freshman. Bringing in a 3* HS QB, and nothing in the portal.

 

[Rodemi]

I agree. In my fan group every single one of us thought Anderson was the guy after the first couple of carries and it took Hardesty way too many games to figure it out.

Agree but Beamer should have forced the move that anyone paying attention was aware needed to happen.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm not "worried", per se. 99% of college football teams would be F'd if they lost QB1. I'd feel better if we had a player with experience behind him. Anyone expecting us to land a starting caliber QB in the portal is just waiting to be disappointed.

Ole Miss is in the same scenario. Dart takes a lot of hits. If he goes down, they have no experience behind...just a freshman and RS freshman. Bringing in a 3* HS QB, and nothing in the portal.

Reasonable take. Some our fans seem worried that we don't have a ready-made starter behind Sellers. That's not reality in today's college football.

In the "old days'" it wasn't uncommon to keep 2 QBs who were relatively equally capable of starting.

 

[Creek Snake]

I’m not even looking for a starter quality backup.A guy like Ashford or somebody of his ilk would make me feel better.He’s almost a single threat as a qb with limited passing skill but at least he’s taken meaningful snaps.Then again Doty might be an equal option to Ashford.It will all play out.I pray Sellars turns out to be all we hope he is.
If I was Beamer I’d be nervous risking his job on the Qb room in its entirety.And if Sellars gets hurt early and the Gamecocks go 3-9 they’ll be after his head.

 

[kidrobinski]

Agree but Beamer should have forced the move that anyone paying attention was aware needed to happen.

I don't think it was a case of Hardesty or Beamer 'figuring it out', it was more of an extended 'honor' opportunity for Joyner to figure it out. A chance for the light to come on that likely wouldn't be given to anyone else.

QB - we're not going to get another Rattler, nor as was pointed out do the vast majority of schools have a 2 that can be effective if 1 goes down. The offense will be designed around the starter based on his strengths, and the 2 will likely not have those same attributes or a weapon effective enough to have unseated #1 to start with (see Doty). The Auburn guy is an above average get for us in that regard; that's as good as we're going to get.

Sellers - hunters can tell when a given dog will hunt regardless of elements and area. Guitar players can tell when a guy's got skills regardless of band or song. Sellers can hunt, and Sellers got skills.

 

[Rodemi]

Joyner is an excellent football player. But clearly not a running back.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Joyner is an excellent football player. But clearly not a running back.

Or a QB or a WR...what does that leave?

 

[Rodemi]

red zone QB

 

[18IsTheMan]

red zone QB

Not sure being a red zone only QB makes you an excellent football player

 

[Rodemi]

Not sure being a red zone only QB makes you an excellent football player

 

[Rodemi]

The coaches played him at the wrong position He was also a good receiver but had no burst coming out of the backfield Not a great player for sure, but made a lot of plays when used correctly

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

In my opinion a lot of our supposed quarterback problems through the years can be traced to poor offensive line play and receivers who can't get separation. I think Doty and others would look a whole lot better behind Alabama or Michigan's line. Rattler worked miracles behind a line that gave him little time. Hopefully, line play is improved and receivers get enough separation to reduce interceptions. We look much better on paper on the offensive line anyway after the portal and recruiting additions. WR is hard to judge but hopefully 3 of those dozen or so scholarship receivers have the speed and route running skills to get separation.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The coaches played him at the wrong position He was also a good receiver but had no burst coming out of the backfield Not a great player for sure, but made a lot of plays when used correctly

At what position could have been a starter here?

 

[Rodemi]

He was better than you think 2 years ago he was the bowl mvp vs UNC playing QB Again , no way is he a running back Bad coaching decision which was obvious in game one

 

[18IsTheMan]

He was better than you think 2 years ago he was the bowl mvp vs UNC playing QB Again , no way is he a running back Bad coaching decision which was obvious in game one

That was one game we schemed for and caught UNC off guard. There was a reason we went and got a QB from the portal after that.

 

[gamecox4982]

If Doty is QB2 we better hope Sellers doesn’t get hurt.

 

[Benjdan]

You can’t win big without exceptional QB play. Hopefully Sellers is that. If not or he is injured then all is lost. Luke isn’t an exceptional QB.

 

[vacock]

And looking back, I think we screwed both Joyner and him over. Hindsight is 20/20, but dang. For their best interest, both of those guys should have gone elsewhere early-on. I mean, I'm glad they didn't, as they've been great Gamecocks, and fantastic teammates! But, I get the feeling of what-could-have-been for them both. Hopefully they don't look at their time here and feel that way. I would understand if they did though.

I think it was more than sports that kept them here. Degree? Family? Wife/girlfriend?