Ellis Johnson Interview

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Great interview, insight, history and recruiting players to Carolina

Not sure how to link the interview but that’s the title on YouTube…..well worth a listen

Inside The Gamecocks The Show | Ellis Johnson Interview | Power Hour Mike Morgan | Gamecock Football​

 

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As a Southern Miss and Carolina alumn, I got screwed twice by that move.

Man, I was sick at that move. I really didn't understand it. He was 61, coaching one of the top defensive units in college football, in his home state, in the SEC no less. I just couldn't see the allure of going from that to coaching in Hattiesburg, MS. Don't know if things here after 2013 would have turned out any different had he stayed, but, I can't imagined his leaving helped things at all.
 

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Man, I was sick at that move. I really didn't understand it. He was 61, coaching one of the top defensive units in college football, in his home state, in the SEC no less. I just couldn't see the allure of going from that to coaching in Hattiesburg, MS. Don't know if things here after 2013 would have turned out any different had he stayed, but, I can't imagined his leaving helped things at all.
Why did Holtz, Gruden, Mack Brown leave their easy gigs to go back to coach?

They go because they want to see if they can make a change. Put their stamp on it. Might be something as simple they love to coach.
$$$ helps also.

Look up Sparky Woods. Check out all of the places that guys been. Most people probably would have quit years ago.
 
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Man, I was sick at that move. I really didn't understand it. He was 61, coaching one of the top defensive units in college football, in his home state, in the SEC no less. I just couldn't see the allure of going from that to coaching in Hattiesburg, MS. Don't know if things here after 2013 would have turned out any different had he stayed, but, I can't imagined his leaving helped things at all.
Well, it was certainly an inflection point for Southern Miss. Before his arrival, they had 18 straight winning seasons and went 12-2 with Larry Fedora the year before. He single-handedly blew up that program, going 0-12 and digging a hole from which they still haven't completely recovered, in my opinion. Is there another coach in history who had a 24-game reversal of fortune from one season to the next?
 

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Why did Holtz, Gruden, Mack Brown leave their easy gigs to go back to coach?

They go because they want to see if they can make a change. Put their stamp on it. Might be something as simple they love to coach.
$$$ helps also.

Look up Sparky Woods. Check out all of the places that guys been. Most people probably would have quit years ago.

Hotlz, Gruden and Brown are not comparable. Ellis didn't come out of retirement or some tv job to go to get back into coaching.

Couldn't have been money. Ellis was making $700,000/yr here as DC. His contract at Southern Miss, for head coach, was only for $740,000/yr. That's not job-hopping money.

Of course, I understand the draw for him at his age was to get one last shot at proving he could be a head coach. Southern Miss was coming off something like 18 straight winning seasons, so it probably seemed like a soft landing spot for him. He didn't have to do any heavy lifting to build anything. Go in, just keep things going for a few years and then retire. All he had to do was not wreck a good thing. As it is, they had one of the worst turnarounds ever, going from 12-2 to 0-12.

But, again, going from coaching at what was then a top 10 program that seemed like it was on the verge of contending for a title to making a financially lateral move to coach in Hattiesburg, Mississippi? Maybe if you were in your 30s or 40s and rising up the coaching ranks it would have made sense. But for a guy in his 60s, who already had 2 bad stints as a head coach, it didn't make sense.

It also made zero sense from Southern Miss' perspective. Why would you entrust an 18 year streak of winning seasons to a 61 year old with a career 17-28 record?

It was, all around, a move that made absolutely no sense for both parties. And, of course, the results showed that it made no sense.

But, he was fantastic here as DC. Only wish he would have stayed.
 
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Well, it was certainly an inflection point for Southern Miss. Before his arrival, they had 18 straight winning seasons and went 12-2 with Larry Fedora the year before. He single-handedly blew up that program, going 0-12 and digging a hole from which they still haven't completely recovered, in my opinion. Is there another coach in history who had a 24-game reversal of fortune from one season to the next?

Yep, beat me to it. I noted in the post right after yours, it had to be one of the worst turnarounds ever. And, you're right. They had 18 straight winning seasons and had been to bowls in 14 of the previous 15 seasons. In the 12 seasons since hiring Ellis, they have had 6 losing seasons. And, the hopes for that season under Ellis were high because they were returning a lot of talent from that 12-2 team. So it's like Ellis had to rebuild or anything.

I really can't imagine why they would have turned over a very successful program to a 61 year old coach with a 17-28 career record.
 

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I have to think with the continuity, our D would have not had the drop-off under Ellis that it did from '13-'14. I know there were other issues with talent and recruiting but we were hair's breadth from being a 9-10-win team in that 2014 season, if not for our hopeless D.

What might have been?
 

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Yep, beat me to it. I noted in the post right after yours, it had to be one of the worst turnarounds ever. And, you're right. They had 18 straight winning seasons and had been to bowls in 14 of the previous 15 seasons.

This confused me. I think you mistyped in the first response, because you said losing seasons. No biggie, I think we get what you meant.
 

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For whatever the reasons were, not keeping our staff intact really hurt us. It’s one of the reasons Clemson was so successful imo - the coaches stayed for the most part. Also, whenever they left here it always seemed to be a disappointment at who Spurrier replaced them with. Ellis should have stayed for himself and us but we may never know the whole story.
 

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Y'all have a lot more favorable memories about that 'bend but dont break' defense than I do. Thankfully Spurrier was one of the best offensive guys in the country.
 

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I agree with what he said about recruiting now for us. Get 5 difference making players, keep them and in 4 years you have 20. We don’t have the Nil $ or record to compete with the big boys now, unless we catch lightning in a bottle.
 

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Y'all have a lot more favorable memories about that 'bend but dont break' defense than I do. Thankfully Spurrier was one of the best offensive guys in the country.
I would trade the entire contents of my scrotum for any one of the defenses Ellis fielded over any we’ve had in recent memory.
 

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Very enjoyable interview. This man knows stuff - a lot of stuff. But that boy on the bottom right talks too much before he asks a question. Well, on further review, much as I like Mike as a play-by-play man, he talks too much also while setting up a question.
 
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Those guys do a great job, the whole network has filled in the gaps in my sportstalk listening during the day and they are very informative, I guess if you had to talk Gamecock sports 3 hours a day every day you might find yourself rambling a bit. The other shows on the network are very good as well, Coach Holbrook has a show called Chin Music, he's a pretty good interviewer and just had Coach Elliot, which was fun! JC Shurburtt and Mike Morgan have more of a general sports talk show and Pat DiMarco and Stephen Garcia are coming out with their own podcast, that should be unfiltered fun. Word is Coach Spurrier will be one of their first guests.
 

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I would trade the entire contents of my scrotum for any one of the defenses Ellis fielded over any we’ve had in recent memory.
I will agree he had better players. Whether or not that was a reflection of Ellis or Spurrier is debatable.
 
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I will agree he had better players. Whether or not that was a reflection of Ellis or Spurrier is debatable.

Reminds me of those fans who try to explain why Connor Shaw really wasn't that good as a QB.
 

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I will agree he had better players. Whether or not that was a reflection of Ellis or Spurrier is debatable.
I do agree with you, though, that Ellis had better players because he had a better eye for talent, which is a major part of coaching. His eye for talent put together a very good defensive unit. His on-field coaching produced results we'd drool over today.
 
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Well, it was certainly an inflection point for Southern Miss. Before his arrival, they had 18 straight winning seasons and went 12-2 with Larry Fedora the year before. He single-handedly blew up that program, going 0-12 and digging a hole from which they still haven't completely recovered, in my opinion. Is there another coach in history who had a 24-game reversal of fortune from one season to the next?
No, but Brad Scott almost got us there. 😂
 

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It also made zero sense from Southern Miss' perspective. Why would you entrust an 18 year streak of winning seasons to a 61 year old with a career 17-28 record?
Don't get me started on the athletic department decision makers at Southern Miss. That's a long diatribe that nobody in this forum cares anything about.

Recent example. They just proudly announced that USM and the MHSAA have entered into a partnership for the 2024 high school state championship games to be played in Hattiesburg December 5-7. Except that the Sun-Belt championship game is played on December 7th and the division winner with the best record hosts the game. So, it's mid-August and I guess the USM athletic department is already officially throwing in the towel on hosting that game.
 

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Very enjoyable interview. This man knows stuff - a lot of stuff. But that boy on the bottom right talks too much before he asks a question. Well, on further review, much as I like Mike as a play-by-play man, he talks too much also while setting up a question.
I've noticed that technique has become a trend on the 24 cable news networks, too. I don't know if the interviewer is trying to prove how much he knows or is trying to lead the interviewee to the answer he wants. Either way, I find it annoying.
 

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I've noticed that technique has become a trend on the 24 cable news networks, too. I don't know if the interviewer is trying to prove how much he knows or is trying to lead the interviewee to the answer he wants. Either way, I find it annoying.
They don't prepare their questions. They blather on until they think of something to ask. It's beyond annoying and basically wastes the guest.
 
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