ESPN backs ACC

[18IsTheMan]

ESPN broadly suggests that the GOR constitutes a trade secret and that FSU committed a felony by releasing details publicly. Is FSU going to take on ESPN? If, as believed by some on here, that entrance into the Big 10 requires AAU membership, then that leaves the SEC as FSU's only landing spot. But ESPN controls the SEC. Based on the supportive brief ESPN filed, they are not happy in the least with FSU right now.

I've said from the outset that this thing will go however ESPN wants it to go. If they want to keep the ACC intact, it'll stay intact. Are the schools who want out going to go to battle with ESPN, when ESPN controls the conference they would then want membership in?

I'm no fan of ESPN, but FSU has to feel pretty strong about their prospects to get into the Big 10 if they're willing to go down this road.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

The title of the thread and your narrative is a bit misleading. ESPN has joined the ACC in pushing to keep the documents sealed. This is the filing that was done in North Carolina. FSU has filed in Tallahassee, where the litigation would be under the Florida Sunshine State Law, as that FSU is a public university, so these laws would apply to them.
So ESPN is calling for a "potential" violation. The question to ask is why is the ACC and ESPN so determined to keep these documents sealed.
Regardless of one's opinion on this matter, it does not present a good look for both the ACC and ESPN.

 

[Deleted11512]

ESPN broadly suggests that the GOR constitutes a trade secret and that FSU committed a felony by releasing details publicly. Is FSU going to take on ESPN? If, as believed by some on here, that entrance into the Big 10 requires AAU membership, then that leaves the SEC as FSU's only landing spot. But ESPN controls the SEC. Based on the supportive brief ESPN filed, they are not happy in the least with FSU right now.

I've said from the outset that this thing will go however ESPN wants it to go. If they want to keep the ACC intact, it'll stay intact. Are the schools who want out going to go to battle with ESPN, when ESPN controls the conference they would then want membership in?

I'm no fan of ESPN, but FSU has to feel pretty strong about their prospects to get into the Big 10 if they're willing to go down this road.

Is there an article or something you saw? I'd love to read that.

 

[Deleted11512]

The title of thread and your narrative is a bit misleading. ESPN has joined the ACC in pushing to keep the documents sealed. This is the filing that was done in North Carolina. FSU has filed in Tallahassee, where the litigation would be under the Florida Sunshine State Law, as that FSU is a public university.
So ESPN is calling for a "potential" violation. The question to ask is why is the ACC and ESPN so determined to keep these documents sealed.
Regardless of one's opinion on this matter, it does not present a good look for both the ACC and ESPN.

Is ESPN's deal with the SEC or B12 public? Not trying to be contrite, honestly don't know. It's not unusual for companies to want to keep their agreements with partners private. I'm sure the SEC and B12 would love to know all the contractual details in each other's agreement. If I were ESPN I would not have wanted the world to know about the 2027 option.

 

[Greer]

Is there an article or something you saw? I'd love to read that.

I think FSU has probably played out all of the likley scenarios in a conference room behind closed doors and has anticipated this from ESPN. Imagine if this is the beginning of breaking ESPN's stranglehold on so much of sports.

 

[Deleted11512]

I think FSU has probably played out all of the likley scenarios in a conference room behind closed doors and has anticipated this from ESPN. Imagine if this is the beginning of breaking ESPN's stranglehold on so much of sports.

FSU is a speck on a gnats *** compared to the behemoth ESPN is. If they want a war with ESPN, it's going to be very, very costly and lengthy.

 

[muscleknight]

Since the ACC has public universities how do they get around FOI requests?

 

[Deleted11512]

Since the ACC has public universities how do they get around FOI requests?

Bc the ACC itself is a 501c3 corp.

 

[Rogue Cock]

ESPN broadly suggests that the GOR constitutes a trade secret and that FSU committed a felony by releasing details publicly. Is FSU going to take on ESPN? If, as believed by some on here, that entrance into the Big 10 requires AAU membership, then that leaves the SEC as FSU's only landing spot. But ESPN controls the SEC. Based on the supportive brief ESPN filed, they are not happy in the least with FSU right now.

I've said from the outset that this thing will go however ESPN wants it to go. If they want to keep the ACC intact, it'll stay intact. Are the schools who want out going to go to battle with ESPN, when ESPN controls the conference they would then want membership in?

I'm no fan of ESPN, but FSU has to feel pretty strong about their prospects to get into the Big 10 if they're willing to go down this road.

Not the GOR. ESPN is not a party to that. It's the ACC-ESPN media rights agreement.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Is ESPN's deal with the SEC or B12 public? Not trying to be contrite, honestly don't know. It's not unusual for companies to want to keep their agreements with partners private. I'm sure the SEC and B12 would love to know all the contractual details in each other's agreement. If I were ESPN I would not have wanted the world to know about the 2027 option.

No they are not....ESPN claims many of the provisions in their agreements are "trade secrets." A judge can decide otherwise or simply redact those provisions.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Is there an article or something you saw? I'd love to read that.

Its a court filing.

 

[Deleted11512]

No they are not....ESPN claims many of the provisions in their agreements are "trade secrets." A judge can decide otherwise or simply redact those provisions.

I may be off here, but I think the REAL fight is going to be with ESPN. If FSU leaves it completely devalues the TV deal, and more importantly for ESPN, it devalues the ACC network. THAT’S the golden goose. And that’s why I don’t think there’s any way ESPN is going to allow FSU or Clem to the SEC. The is now way ESPN is going to pay the SEC more after destroying the ACCN. It’s estimated that ESPN is getting over $100M/yr just from the ACCN. I believe they’re going to do whatever they can to keep FSU where they are.

 

[Rogue Cock]

......I may be off here, but I think the REAL fight is going to be with ESPN. If FSU leaves it completely devalues the TV deal, and more importantly for ESPN, it devalues the ACC network. THAT’S the golden goose. And that’s why I don’t think there’s any way ESPN is going to allow FSU or Clem to the SEC. The is now way ESPN is going to pay the SEC more after destroying the ACCN. It’s estimated that ESPN is getting over $100M/yr just from the ACCN. I believe they’re going to do whatever they can to keep FSU where they are.

I believe just the opposite. The ESPN - ACC media deal is only around a few more years and ESPN would have more money to enlarge the SEC contract and the Big 12 one also. The matchups on ESPN if FSU and Clemson joined the SEC would be greatly improved. Think about FOX Sports and the PAC.....didn't bother them one whit as the B1G simply added the most attractive PAC teams. Its a win-win for ESPN and the SEC, as well as the Big 12 which is much more stable than the ACC.

And if 4 teams immediately leave the ACC it will begin an exodus with other ACC schools and will probably end up with the ACC not having enough remaining teams to enforce the ESPN agreement. Losing FSU, Clemson, UNC and Miami would definitely start an exodus.

EDIT: ESPN didn't have a problem with Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 to the SEC despite the fact they held the TV rights to both conferences. ESPN simply wants the best matchups....period.

 

[Deleted11512]

I believe just the opposite. The ESPN - ACC media deal is only around a few more years and ESPN would have more money to enlarge the SEC contract and the Big 12 one also. The matchups on ESPN if FSU and Clemson joined the SEC would be greatly improved. Think about FOX Sports and the PAC.....didn't bother them one whit as the B1G simply added the most attractive PAC teams. It’s a win-win for ESPN and the SEC, as well as the Big 12 which is much more stable than the ACC.

The PACs media deal was over. Oregon, SoCal, and Wash announced they were leaving on the same day they were set to announce a new media deal. Savage.

Well, it’s around only for a few years if they don’t take the option. If they do, it’s 12 years. From this year forward they are getting these games at a discount. They have no financial motivation to move them or not take that option. It behooves them then to keep everything the same. I don’t think ESPN is going to get $100m/yr just from moving FSU/CLEM to the SEC. The B12 contract is up in 2031…that might be one to watch.

 

[Rogue Cock]

The PACs media deal was over. Oregon, SoCal, and Wash announced they were leaving on the same day they were set to announce a new media deal. Savage.

Well, it’s around only for a few years if they don’t take the option. If they do, it’s 12 years. From this year forward they are getting these games at a discount. They have no financial motivation to move them or not take that option. It behooves them then to keep everything the same. I don’t think ESPN is going to get $100m/yr just from moving FSU/CLEM to the SEC. The B12 contract is up in 2031…that might be one to watch.

We will see.....I still think ESPN could make a lot more money off of FSU and Clemson playing an SEC schedule rather than an ACC one. The B1G has other reasons for wanting to expand and lurig UNC and Miami....though those two schools would also have more interesting matchups in the B1G than they currently do in the ACC.

Heck, I'm just glad we are sitting safely on the sidelines and able to discuss all the permeations of this instead of having to worry about it.

 

[Deleted11512]

We will see.....I still think ESPN could make a lot more money off of FSU and Clemson playing an SEC schedule rather than an ACC one. The B1G has other reasons for wanting to expand and lurig UNC and Miami....though those two schools would also have more interesting matchups in the B1G than they currently do in the ACC.

Heck, I'm just glad we are sitting safely on the sidelines and able to discuss all the permeations of this instead of having to worry about it.

Who knows. I do think UNC and Miami will end up in the B1G.

You got that right brother! Clem fans are going to be absolutely heartbroken if they don’t end up in the sec. That’s worth them not getting in alone!!

 

[KingWard]

The B1G has other reasons for wanting to expand and luri[n]g UNC and Miami....though those two schools would also have more interesting matchups in the B1G than they currently do in the ACC.

I'd say that they would be getting far better paid for getting their @$$e$ beat by a larger number of eminent opponents.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Who knows. I do think UNC and Miami will end up in the B1G.

You got that right brother! Clem fans are going to be absolutely heartbroken if they don’t end up in the sec. That’s worth them not getting in alone!!

Love seeing them sweat....especially if FSU, UNC and Miami gets seats at the head of the table first. THAT would be an epic meltdown on tigernet.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I'd say that they would be getting far better paid for getting their @$$e$ beat by a larger number of eminent opponents.

Miami is beginning to get that Broward County pipeline up and running again. ....for a while when Shalala was President they weren't allowed to take many local players..,,they didn't like the swagger image the team had. UNC will be about like Illinois, Michigan State, etc...

 

[KingWard]

Miami is beginning to get that Broward County pipeline up and running again. ....for a while when Shalala was President they weren't allowed to take many local players..,,they didn't like the swagger image the team had. UNC will be about like Illinois, Michigan State, etc...

In the old days, what they were doing down there gave them a distinct advantage. In contemporary times, the Big Boys in the Big 10 won't be at any disadvantage to them whatsoever.

 

[Deleted11512]

In the old days, what they were doing down there gave them a distinct advantage. In contemporary times, the Big Boys in the Big 10 won't be at any disadvantage to them whatsoever.

With recruiting becoming more national, and the advent of NIL, Miami is really at a disadvantage. They also only have one direction to go to recruit while other big programs are poaching Broward.

 

[Rogue Cock]

In the old days, what they were doing down there gave them a distinct advantage. In contemporary times, the Big Boys in the Big 10 won't be at any disadvantage to them whatsoever.

True. But a lot of those local kids still want to play for "The U" and all that entails. They will be fine in the B1G and they are used to travelling.....so that won't be an issue.

 

[Rogue Cock]

With recruiting becoming more national, and the advent of NIL, Miami is really at a disadvantage. They also only have one direction to go to recruit while other big programs are poaching Broward.

Umm....Miami has a lot of notable and wealthy alumni in business, arts, music, sports. Miami is similar to SMU in potential....money is not an issue.

 

[KingWard]

Umm....Miami has a lot of notable and wealthy alumni in business, arts, music, sports. Miami is similar to SMU in potential....money is not an issue.

I think they can do some good, but in the B1G, there will be at least five programs that can meet or exceed them, and two of them are behemoths. Two more are legacy programs. The other is the Green School of the Swoosh.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I think they can do some good, but in the B1G, there will be at least five programs that can meet or exceed them, and two of them are behemoths. Two more are legacy programs. The other is the Green School of the Swoosh.

TOSU is the only B1G school that has had a good bit of success in South Florida and have since the 1980s. Though a much smaller school, UMs list of notable alumni is competitive with a lot of those schools you mention, including the prime ministers of Peru and Iceland. A lot of chief executive in the business world from NY to Cali, including the chairwoman of the XFL and one the top NFL agents, if not the top agent. Imagine Gloria Estefan and Bruce Horsby putting on an NIL concert with a guest appearance by "The Rock" and Rocky. And their list of top law graduates are partners of many of the largest firms in the country. For a "small" school, they have a ton of wealthy, famous, and powerful alumni.

Getting into Florida opens up all of Florida and South Georgia to the B1G and probably could make some inroads into Atlanta. Getting UNC obviously opens up NC, SC and VA to them.

 

[KingWard]

TOSU is the only B1G school that has had a good bit of success in South Florida and have since the 1980s. Though a much smaller school, UMs list of notable alumni is competitive with a lot of those schools you mention, including the prime ministers of Peru and Iceland. A lot of chief executive in the business world from NY to Cali, including the chairwoman of the XFL and one the top NFL agents, if not the top agent. Imagine Gloria Estefan and Bruce Horsby putting on an NIL concert with a guest appearance by "The Rock" and Rocky. And their list of top law graduates are partners of many of the largest firms in the country. For a "small" school, they have a ton of wealthy, famous, and powerful alumni.

Getting into Florida opens up all of Florida and South Georgia to the B1G and probably could make some inroads into Atlanta. Getting UNC obviously opens up NC, SC and VA to them.

Oh, the B1G is going to own the world. The SEC has had it if all of this eventuates.

 

[Deleted11512]

Umm....Miami has a lot of notable and wealthy alumni in business, arts, music, sports. Miami is similar to SMU in potential....money is not an issue.

Yeah, wasn’t saying they were disadvantaged there, but rather there are a lot of programs with big money going down there too.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Oh, the B1G is going to own the world. The SEC has had it if all of this eventuates.

The SEC will be fine, but they won't be able to completely protect their footprint unless they absorb everyone in the ACC from Virginia or North Carolina down. I am not sure how they could break into B1G territory even if they wanted to.....maybe Pitt, Syracuse?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Let me just say to any who think that Miami can't compete with big programs when it comes to money and the NIL.
This is not or going to be an issue for them.
I wil just say, this is not a personal opinion and leave it at that.

 

[Deleted11512]

Let me just say to any who think that Miami can't compete with big programs when it comes to money and the NIL.
This is not or going to be an issue for them.
I wil just say, this is not a personal opinion and leave it at that.

To be clear, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying it’s harder now than it was 20 years ago to keep kids in Broward. Obviously they can pay with anyone.

 

[KingWard]

The SEC will be fine, but they won't be able to completely protect their footprint unless they absorb everyone in the ACC from Virginia or North Carolina down. I am not sure how they could break into B1G territory even if they wanted to.....maybe Pitt, Syracuse?

The SEC doesn't want those schools. That's the dilemma, all the desirable and possibly available schools are in the southern tier.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

The SEC will be fine, but they won't be able to completely protect their footprint unless they absorb everyone in the ACC from Virginia or North Carolina down. I am not sure how they could break into B1G territory even if they wanted to.....maybe Pitt, Syracuse?

The B1G entering SEC territory is as inevitable as the sun rising tomorrow in the East.
Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville would be very attractive acquisitions for the B1G 12 as they have the built in geographic rivalry with current members Cincinnati and West Virginia.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

To be clear, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying it’s harder now than it was 20 years ago to keep kids in Broward. Obviously they can pay with anyone.

Only in the sense, that recruitment is a now a national entity unlike 20 years ago where many schools knew of the local hidden gems, and could keep those under radar.
Those days are no more. With an average class per year of 22-28 recruits, no one school can grab every single target, particularly with web sites dedicated to nothing more than recruiting, there will still be some missed opportunities, but that is a built in factor.
But make no mistake the Miami brand remains very strong in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach county.

Side note: Miami's 2024 class is ranked #3.

 

[KingWard]

Only in the sense, that recruitment is a now a national entity unlike 20 years ago where many schools knew of the local hidden gems, and could keep those under radar.
Those days are no more. With an average class per year of 22-28 recruits, no one school can grab every single target, particularly with web sites dedicated to nothing more than recruiting, there will still be some missed opportunities, but that is a built in factor.
But make no mistake the Miami brand remains very strong in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach county.

Side note: Miami's 2024 class is ranked #3.

Them Yankee schools ain't all slithered in there good, yet.

 

[Deleted11512]

Only in the sense, that recruitment is a now a national entity unlike 20 years ago where many schools knew of the local hidden gems, and could keep those under radar.
Those days are no more. With an average class per year of 22-28 recruits, no one school can grab every single target, particularly with web sites dedicated to nothing more than recruiting, there will still be some missed opportunities, but that is a built in factor.
But make no mistake the Miami brand remains very strong in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach county.

Side note: Miami's 2024 class is ranked #3.

Agree with all of that. Just saying the addition of programs like OSU being able to legally buy players isn’t helping. They’ll get players. I just don’t know if they’ll be able to consistently recruit at a high enough level to get back to where they were in the 90s. Their last 2 classes were very good though.

 

[18IsTheMan]

FSU is a speck on a gnats *** compared to the behemoth ESPN is. If they want a war with ESPN, it's going to be very, very costly and lengthy.

ESPN is valued near $30 billion. So, yeah, I'm sure they aren't too worried about a state university. Media deals is what ESPN does.