Explorers find WWII Navy destroyer, deepest wreck discovered

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MANILA, Philippines (AP) — A U.S. Navy destroyer that engaged a superior Japanese fleet in the largest sea battle of World War II in the Philippines has become the deepest wreck to be discovered, according to explorers.

The USS Samuel B. Roberts, popularly known as the “Sammy B," was identified on Wednesday broken into two pieces on a slope at a depth of 6,985 meters (22,916 feet).

That puts it 426 meters (1,400 feet) deeper than the USS Johnson, the previous deepest wreck discovered last year in the Philippine Sea also by American explorer Victor Vescovo, founder of Dallas-based Caladan Oceanic Expeditions. He announced the latest find together with U.K.-based EYOS Expeditions.

“It was an extraordinary honor to locate this incredibly famous ship, and by doing so have the chance to retell her story of heroism and duty to those who may not know of the ship and her crew’s sacrifice," Vescovo, a former Navy commander, said in a statement.


The Sammy B. took part in the Battle off Samar, the final phase of the Battle of Leyte Gulf in October 1944, in which the Imperial Japanese Navy suffered its biggest loss of ships and failed to dislodge the U.S. forces from Leyte, which they invaded earlier as part of the liberation of the Philippines.

According to some records, the destroyer disabled a Japanese heavy cruiser with a torpedo and significantly damaged another. After having spent virtually all its ammunition, she was critically hit by the lead battleship Yamato and sank. Of a 224-man crew, 89 died and 120 were saved, including the captain, Lt. Cmdr. Robert W. Copeland.

According to Samuel J. Cox, a retired admiral and naval historian, Copeland stated there was “no higher honor” then to have led the men who displayed such incredible courage going into battle against overwhelming odds, from which survival could not be expected.

“This site is a hallowed war grave, and serves to remind all Americans of the great cost born by previous generations for the freedom we take for granted today,” Cox said in a statement.

The explorers said that up until the discovery, the historical records of where the wreck lay were not very accurate. The search involved the use of the deepest side-scan sonar ever installed and operated on a submersible, well beyond the standard commercial limitations of 6,000 meters (19,685 feet), EYOS said.


Note- The Roberts was actually not a destroyer but a destroyer escort- a smaller, less well armed type than a destroyer. Still, she took on a substantial enemy fleet of much larger and powerful enemy ships.
 

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These were just kids and a couple of young adults who willingly went into harm's way. Most of the sailors were under 20. A couple of the senior petty officers and junior officers were in their 20's. Maybe four or five guys were in their 30's. I'm sure they were all scared as hell, but they did their jobs.
 

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These were just kids and a couple of young adults who willingly went into harm's way. Most of the sailors were under 20. A couple of the senior petty officers and junior officers were in their 20's. Maybe four or five guys were in their 30's. I'm sure they were all scared as hell, but they did their jobs.
Admiral Halsey screwed up royally to put them into the position they were in. He took a far more powerful surface battle fleet off on a wild goose chase. Had those ships been present, they could have wiped the Japanese force out completely.
 

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Admiral Halsey screwed up royally to put them into the position they were in. He took a far more powerful surface battle fleet off on a wild goose chase. Had those ships been present, they could have wiped the Japanese force out completely.

“Halsey acted stupidly.”
 
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Admiral Halsey screwed up royally to put them into the position they were in. He took a far more powerful surface battle fleet off on a wild goose chase. Had those ships been present, they could have wiped the Japanese force out completely.

True. Halsey was aggressive and his aggressiveness saved Guadalcanal from being a disaster similar to Bataan. It is said that when it was time to be aggressive, Halsey was aggressive and when it came time to be cautious, Halsey was aggressive.

Then there were the typhoon FUBARs. Several ships lost, over 800 men killed/lost and many planes lost. Those were the real Divine Winds.

The real culprit at Leyte was the fractured chain of command. That's on FDR and the Joint Chiefs.

 

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Admiral Halsey screwed up royally to put them into the position they were in. He took a far more powerful surface battle fleet off on a wild goose chase. Had those ships been present, they could have wiped the Japanese force out completely.
Didn't the Japanese center force wait until Halsey went after the carrier feign to the north? It was a perfect executed plan by the IJN and god only knows what happens if center force pushed through the screening ships and got to the Jeep carriers

Last stand of the tin can soldiers is a must read...
 

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Didn't the Japanese center force wait until Halsey went after the carrier feign to the north? It was a perfect executed plan by the IJN and god only knows what happens if center force pushed through the screening ships and got to the Jeep carriers

Last stand of the tin can soldiers is a must read...
The Last Stand of the Tin Can SAILORS is definitely a must read. (FIFY)

Considering how badly the IJN was completely and hopelessly outgunned, and had fewer capital ships left than the US had carriers, it was a miracle on the level of Midway in reverse. However, even if the IJN succeeded, and our loss of life would've been significant, by that point Japan had absolutely zero chance of seizing any initiative, much less reversing the tide of war. There was a bit of irony that the feint barely worked, as the only force the IJN wanted to be seen was the absolute last to be discovered. And that was due to the discovery of the other forces that weren't supposed to be discovered until after Ozawa's northern force of carriers (with hardly any aircraft aboard) was spotted. Plenty of errors were made all across the sea in those fateful days. Thus is war.

And while there were significant chain of command issues, fault here still squarely resides on the shoulders of Halsey. While you can understand the desire to destroy a carrier force, IJN air fleets had been decimated after the Turkey Shoot and this was well-known by US intelligence. Halsey, for whatever reason, didn't believe them.

And special kudos to Bob for the Clancy reference. (Although it was fiction, I would be surprised if fictional author/historian Jack Ryan would've been extolling Halsey's aggression in his fictional book, probably just a plot point.) I suspect if there was a Midnighter poll today, he wouldn't have had the strength of mind to contribute.
 
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True. Halsey was aggressive and his aggressiveness saved Guadalcanal from being a disaster similar to Bataan. It is said that when it was time to be aggressive, Halsey was aggressive and when it came time to be cautious, Halsey was aggressive.

Then there were the typhoon FUBARs. Several ships lost, over 800 men killed/lost and many planes lost. Those were the real Divine Winds.

The real culprit at Leyte was the fractured chain of command. That's on FDR and the Joint Chiefs.

It’s amazing that Halsey avoided court martial on the typhoon disasters and that he got the 5th star over Spruance.
 

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AFter the Guadalcanal and Solomons campaign, Halsey was a hero second only to MacArthur. The Press loved him and they wrote about him glowing stories to the US newspapers. Despite the debacles at Leyte Gulf and the two typhoons, Halsey was still a hero in the eyes of most Americans. FDR was smart enough to keep him in charge of the 3rd Fleet.

There were five carrier air attacks against Japan in the first five months after Pearl Harbor. Halsey led four of them. He was aggressive and his men loved him.

I gave a talk on Halsey and Guadalcanal to Penn State OLLI and to the St Francis Yacht Club in San Francisco that is on YouTube if you're interested.



If you haven't seen it, the 1960 movie The Gallant Hours is a pretty accurate rendition of Halsey's command during Guadalcanal.

The first several episodes of HBO's The Pacific are also pretty accurate of the hell the Marines went through.
 
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